Ultrasound is required before abortion is approved?!

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I agree with The Oracle...I know so many people who have adopted and not ONE of them has adopted a black baby. Russian, Asians, and white babies so far among the people I know have been adopted. I was hoping to adopt this black deaf toddler that is in my program but recently she was returned to her real mom after being in foster care. Oh well. However, someone told me that there could be many children in Japan that would need to be adopted. I wouldnt mind that so I might look into that.
 
TheOracle said:
again, if you want to adopt, go to your local dept of human services. they'll help you out.
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If you read my posted links you would see that is not always the case.

Been there, done that.
 
So I read the report you cited by the Heritage Foundation. I saw two points I outright disagreed with:

# Change the Indian Child Welfare Act to curtail the reach of Indian Nation law over those who have emigrated from those communities and societies.
# Reject the language in the U.N. Charter on the Rights of the Child.
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yet they had some good ideas. Definitely remove some red tape. Like I said, KIDDOS NEED HOMES.

I didn't read the whole thing - up through " (admitting that now, so correct me if needed) but it seemed as though they were suggesting that adoption was preferable to "welfare" mothers? Or wedlock?

I think we can all agree that children need homes and it sucks when they don't get that access - whatever the reasons may be.

@Karissa - I didn't think you'd reject any kind of child. It's up to you. I was just saying that parents have different expectations, experiences, preferences, things they can handle, etc...that's all. :) Like, I would be more likely to adopt a child who was 16 than I would an infant with Downs...because I work with teens.
 
Reba said:
If you read my posted links you would see that is not always the case.

Been there, done that.
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Rarely is anything "always" the case.

As far as your experience goes...I'm sorry to hear that.
 
TheOracle said:
@ Reba: I understand some of the mechanics of why black babies are the majority. Black families traditionally cannot afford the costs. Black babies in white homes is a hot topic.
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Some states are finally making it easier for black families to adopt.

But it still doesn't change the fact that white babies are in demand and cost more.
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That also doesn't change the fact that many white couples do adopt non-white babies.

I guess...your statement about the pro-lifers wanting to adopt all of these would-be aborted babies threw me off. Who says that those wanting to adopt are pro-life? (Er...against abortion.)
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That isn't what I said.

Context:
"Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!
If pro lifers are not going to take care of all the babies women are forced to have pro lifers should just shut up!"

My response:
"Pro lifers are waiting in line to adopt those babies."

I didn't say all people who are waiting in line to adopt are pro-lifers.

I didn't say that all pro-lifers are waiting in line to adopt.

I did say that there are pro-lifers waiting in line to adopt.

While there are people who do want to adopt special needs and minority children, it doesn't make those people the majority.
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They don't need to be a majority; they need only be enough for the children available.
 
Sigh. I just continued reading. Some of those resources were from 1988! This was published in 1996.

And the "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Down Syndrome Adoption Exchange" is not an agency, according to Google...?
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shel90 said:
I agree with The Oracle...I know so many people who have adopted and not ONE of them has adopted a black baby...
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I do personally know white, mixed, and black couples who have adopted black American children. (Including some of my relatives who have adopted.)

I was hoping to adopt this black deaf toddler that is in my program but recently she was returned to her real mom after being in foster care.
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That's one of the hindrances to adoption.
 
I dont know if this is off the point or not but I am starting to see a trend of people adopting biracial children (half black/half white). I wonder why.

My son is biracial and so many people told me that they would adopt him in a minute. Nobody said that about my daughter. *weird*
 
Reba said:
Some states are finally making it easier for black families to adopt.


That also doesn't change the fact that many white couples do adopt non-white babies.


That isn't what I said.

Context:
"Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!
If pro lifers are not going to take care of all the babies women are forced to have pro lifers should just shut up!"

My response:
"Pro lifers are waiting in line to adopt those babies."

I didn't say all people who are waiting in line to adopt are pro-lifers.

I didn't say that all pro-lifers are waiting in line to adopt.

I did say that there are pro-lifers waiting in line to adopt.


They don't need to be a majority; they need only be enough for the children available.
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Fair enough. But there's not enough pro-lifers waiting in line to adopt black children. That, I think, is what we were going for.

Are there conservative Christians that want to adopt? Yes.
Are there gays that want to adopt? Yes.
Are there Jewish couples that want to adopt? Yes.

et cetera

Are there enough people that want to adopt black and special needs children?

Unfortunately no.

And...a point shared by many...even if there were, it doesn't mean a pregnant teen needs to be an incubator!
 
Reba said:
I do personally know white, mixed, and black couples who have adopted black American children. (Including some of my relatives who have adopted.)


That's one of the hindrances to adoption.
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I guess...or you could say that adoption hinders family reunification...?
 
shel90 said:
I dont know if this is off the point or not but I am starting to see a trend of people adopting biracial children (half black/half white). I wonder why.

My son is biracial and so many people told me that they would adopt him in a minute. Nobody said that about my daughter. *weird*
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I would think it weird that people would say they wanted to adopt any of my children while I'm still alive and their mother!
 
Reba said:
I would think it weird that people would say they wanted to adopt any of my children while I'm still alive and their mother!
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Not weird to me.

It is weird that lately more people are saying that they want a black/white child but wouldnt say that they wanted a "full" black child. Just weird that I had noticed that in the past 5 years.
 
TheOracle said:
I guess...or you could say that adoption hinders family reunification...?
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If the family reunification is successful then those children are no longer on a waiting list for adoption. If it's not successful, then the children either end up dead or back in foster care cycle. Either way, they don't get adopted but it's not for lack of couples seeking them.
 
shel90 said:
Not weird to me.
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Really? Why would people say that they want to adopt your child? Do they think you don't want him? I've never heard anyone of any color offering to adopt someone else's child unless the parents were dying.
 
People tell me they want to adopt my son all the time. He's a charm.

Humpph. Over my dead body. (Though it's nice to hear your child is so wanted.)
 
Reba said:
If the family reunification is successful then those children are no longer on a waiting list for adoption. If it's not successful, then the children either end up dead or back in foster care cycle. Either way, they don't get adopted but it's not for lack of couples seeking them.
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I guess I saw a child going back to his real mother not a hindrance to adoption, but rather a successful unification (I would hope)...something that may only have happened because of foster families. <3 If the baby isn't available for adoption, then how is it a hindrance? That's all I meant.

I still think that there are not enough couples seeking black babies.
 
How did this thread about ultrasounds turn into a thread about adopting black babies? Oh, I know. Attention hound.
 
Reba said:
Really? Why would people say that they want to adopt your child? Do they think you don't want him? I've never heard anyone of any color offering to adopt someone else's child unless the parents were dying.
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I guess you are the kind to take everything literally. It is meant to be taken as another way that he is so adorable. Sometimes, not everything is meant to be taken so literally. I knew what they meant and we laugh about it.
 
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