Ultrasound is required before abortion is approved?!

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I just read all of those articles and it still not apply to only pro-lifers... They said it is general people.

It doesn't matter, Karissa. TheOracle happens to be right. There is a logjam of children waiting to be adopted in this country; the majority of which are disabled or minority. It's sad, but most couples want a non-disabled, white baby. If you want more sources, I can go and find them for you.
 
It doesn't matter, Karissa. TheOracle happens to be right. There is a logjam of children waiting to be adopted in this country; the majority of which are disabled or minority. It's sad, but most couples want a non-disabled, white baby. If you want more sources, I can go and find them for you.

Ah, all right. I now get it. I thought it is about only pro-lifers. But yes, you're right. It would be nice if more people encourage non-parents, who want to adopt, to choose a child who is disabled and/or black (or others). They really need a loving home... :(
 
Ah, all right. I now get it. I thought it is about only pro-lifers. But yes, you're right. It would be nice if more people encourage non-parents, who want to adopt, to choose a child who is disabled and/or black (or others). They really need a loving home... :(


It would be the Christian thing to do!

I do wish people would stop seeing adoption agencies as baby factories...yes, they provide a "service" but isn't parenting about...well, parenting?!

I can understand why you may not be up for having a child with Rhetts, but rejecting a baby because it is not white?

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttt
 
It is to make sure the woman is fully aware of the consequences.

What a load of crap. This is coming from me, a person who was faced with the possibility of abortion three times. First time, I was pregnant with my twins when they found cancer...and it was too risky to proceed with the pregnancy as I needed to start treatment asap. I refused and kept my babies (one survived)...but I nearly died. Second, gang rape...they found 4 semen samples so there were at least four men but could have been more...I was left to die, which I almost did...and as a result, I was pregnant...I chose to keep the baby but I had every damn right to that abortion. And the third was recently...I just finished treatment with cancer (again) when I discovered I was pregnant - and the doctor urged me to abort because it would, not could but would, kill me...and the chances of the child surviving much longer was null...yet I refused. Sadly the baby's heartbeat stopped and they extracted the body.

So...yeah, there are special circumstances, and no one has a damn right to force me to look at a songram, law or not. This law is SICK.

I am so sorry that you had to go through all that plus the cancer treatments. My sister had cancer too and she also lost her baby at least twice (Miscarriages). She is now, thankfully, cancer free, in remission. She had cervical cancer.
 
I would love to adopt, too... But I already dropped the choice out for various reasons. And yes, I do agree that each child needs a loving family and home.

I'm sorry to hear that. If you want children (I don't know if you have any "bio babies"!) then I hope you get the chance to be a parent.

If you can't, for whatever reason...I did Big Brother Big Sister for a few years and it was great.
 
It doesn't matter, Karissa. TheOracle happens to be right. There is a logjam of children waiting to be adopted in this country; the majority of which are disabled or minority. It's sad, but most couples want a non-disabled, white baby. If you want more sources, I can go and find them for you.
Even if most couples want non-disabled white babies, that isn't all of them.

Yes, I would like to know the figures.

The only figure I could find, so far, is:

"...More than 134,000 children wait for permanent homes in the United States. Most are school-aged or older. Many have emotional, physical, or learning disabilities. There are brothers and sisters who need to stay together. More than half of the children come from minority cultures...."
FAQs: Adoption Questions

That includes all children, disabled and non-disabled.

Red tape and finances, not lack of parents:

"...In Ann Arbor, Michigan, in the early 1960s, Peter and Joyce Forsythe, biological parents of two, applied to their public adoption agency for a child who was, in Joyce's words, "past the supply and demand curve." Then they waited--for four years. Meanwhile, they met other "room-for-one-more" families stalled in the same holding pattern. One day in 1967 they saw documentary evidence that the agency keeping them waiting had 889 waiting children. ...."
Special Needs Adoption: Lessons from Experience -
 
And the baby's body?

If a woman is raped she should NOT be forced to have the rapist baby! And it is no one business if a woman want to have an abortion! Pro lifers should stay out of people lifes!
 
If a woman is raped she should NOT be forced to have the rapist baby! And it is no one business if a woman want to have an abortion! Pro lifers should stay out of people lifes!

*shrug* that is one opinion....
 
What you're saying doesn't contradict what we've stated...the fact that white female babies are in high demand and black babies and those who are disabled have a harder time getting adopted.

I don't see anything that says the number of parents wanting to adopt is greater than the number of children needing to be adopted...?

Black babies are harder to place. I know there are people who think that white people shouldn't adopt black babies (Sandra Bullock, anyone...?) but I have a hard time believing that this is the reason why black babies aren't being adopted.
 
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Personally, I think this bill is ok, yes it was obviously created as an emotional blackmail, but that is just fine with me. If someone is strong enough to handle an abortion, they should be strong enough to deal with this too.

Too bad that they probably will see that introducing this bill didn't make a dent in the number of abortions, but increased the $$$ spent on sonograms. Oh well! Whatever makes the conservatives feel better.

Why should this being about making the conservatives feel better!! Who the hell give conservatives the rights to tell people what to do! I am sick of
conservatives trying to forces their beliefs on to everyone else! I get junk mails from conservatives groups telling me I have believe Jesus to be saved!
conservatives can keep their belief to themselves!
 
"...Couples who want to adopt are not looking just for healthy, Caucasian infants, despite assumptions to the contrary. The National Down's Syndrome Adoption Exchange reports a waiting list of over 100 couples who would like to adopt a child with Down's syndrome -- more than enough to accomodate parents who want Down's children given up for adoption. Nor is it difficult to find families for children with spina bifida and children who are HIV positive. For example, the National Council for Adoption is identifying children who will be orphaned when their parents die of AIDS, so that appropriate plans can be made before the parents' death. The response by individuals and families willing to adopt such children has been overwhelming...."
Promoting Adoption Reform: Congress Can Give Children AnotherChance | The Heritage Foundation

"...Although the emphasis should be on making it easier for black families to adopt, blocking transracial adoptions just because the children are black and the parents are white discriminates against many needy black children because of race. Moreover, it does not increase the rate of in-race adoption. California, despite a law requiring a 90-day search for a same-race family before a child can be adopted across racial lines, still has twice as many black children as white children waiting for adoption, often for long periods.85

The Institute for Justice last year filed suit on behalf of a white foster couple who had cared for a black child since birth. When the child became eligible, they sought to adopt him but were blocked by the public welfare agency because they were not black. Even when black parents were not found, the agency persisted in blocking this adoption. No one can argue that this was in the best interest of the child.86 Similar racial discrimination prevented the adoption of a white child by a black couple who had fostered the child since birth...."
Promoting Adoption Reform: Congress Can Give Children AnotherChance | The Heritage Foundation
 
I'm sorry to hear that. If you want children (I don't know if you have any "bio babies"!) then I hope you get the chance to be a parent.

If you can't, for whatever reason...I did Big Brother Big Sister for a few years and it was great.

I don't have any child yet. I don't think I want to have my own but if I do, I still would prefer to adopt some children.

It would be the Christian thing to do!

I do wish people would stop seeing adoption agencies as baby factories...yes, they provide a "service" but isn't parenting about...well, parenting?!

I can understand why you may not be up for having a child with Rhetts, but rejecting a baby because it is not white?

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttt

I clearly understand about adoption agencies shouldn't be treated like a baby factory but the rest of your post that I don't understand. By the way, who is Rhetts? I already googled it up but it seems only came up following: businesses, families' histories, and etc.
 
I don't have any child yet. I don't think I want to have my own but if I do, I still would prefer to adopt some children.



I clearly understand about adoption agencies shouldn't be treated like a baby factory but the rest of your post that I don't understand. By the way, who is Rhetts? I already googled it up but it seems only came up following: businesses, families' histories, and etc.

She just misspelled Rett's syndrome.
 
What you're saying doesn't contradict what we've stated...the fact that white female babies are in high demand and black babies and those who are disabled have a harder time getting adopted.

I don't see anything that says the number of parents wanting to adopt is greater than the number of children needing to be adopted...?
Where is your proof? Where are your numbers?

If the number of parents isn't greater than the number of children needing to be adopted, then why are couples waiting for several years before they can get a child?
 
@ Karissa: Rhett's syndrome...it's a neurological condition.
@ Reba: I understand some of the mechanics of why black babies are the majority. Black families traditionally cannot afford the costs. Black babies in white homes is a hot topic.

But it still doesn't change the fact that white babies are in demand and cost more.

I guess...your statement about the pro-lifers wanting to adopt all of these would-be aborted babies threw me off. Who says that those wanting to adopt are pro-life? (Er...against abortion.)

While there are people who do want to adopt special needs and minority children, it doesn't make those people the majority.
 
Where is your proof? Where are your numbers?

If the number of parents isn't greater than the number of children needing to be adopted, then why are couples waiting for several years before they can get a child?

Answer: Because they want white babies.

I should've said, "the number of parents willing to adopt black children", but as Botts pointed out, I already made a grevious spelling mistake in this thread. I am tired.

But here is an adoption story that has not received quite as much attention. And it shines the spotlight on the crisis of black children unable to find parents to adopt them. A newly minted study by the California institute of Technology, New York University and the London School of Economics examined the preferences of Americans who want to adopt children. The data were collected between 2004 and 2009, and reflect the views of both straight and gay prospective parents. The study found that adoptive parents have very strong preferences for girls, and children who are not African-American.

The report found, unexpectedly, that girls are one-third more likely to attract adoptive parents than boys. In the general population, there is a slight preference for boys. Moreover, a baby who is not African-American is seven times more desirable to potential adoptive parents than a black baby. Although all of the parents in the study were white, surprisingly Latino and white children fared about the same.

In an unseemly way, all of this translates into dollars in America's $2-3 billion adoption market: Parents were willing to pay $16,000 more for a girl than a boy, but $38,000 more for a non-African-American baby than a black one.

Yes, adoption is expensive. Yes, it should be cheaper. Yes, gays should be able to adopt (!) etc.

My point is:

White children are in high demand.
Black children cost less.
Yet...some families will still wait years before they can "receive" their ideal child.
 
again, if you want to adopt, go to your local dept of human services. they'll help you out.
 
I just now read about that Rhett's and I get it. Now I realize you may think I wouldn't want any of those children. May I ask why do you think I would? 'Cause I'm a moderate pro-lifer that I likely would adopt only white children? Wondering...

By the way, I'm a Wiccan.
 
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