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babies being euthanasia. I read about it other day. In Netherland, they were doing them and Catholic Church were upset about it.

I don't know if it is right thing to do but if it was me in this deformed or terminal ill baby, I would want to put to sleep than live a life vegatable or suffer painful dying.
 
I don't think it is right to murder babies.
 
This is going to be one touchy topic.


Abortion practices are being used to justify euthanasia too. It is common belief that it is wrong to kill another human. If the baby is suffering, that doesn't give us the right to kill, I would leave it upon in God's hands.


Example, The parents do not want a retarded baby with health problems from birth, so they decide to not have this surgery. By not having the surgery, the retarded baby dies because the parents allow the respiratory problem to kill the child. The decision made to let the baby die was based on the parents not wanting a retarded baby to take care of, instead of giving life to their less than perfect child.
 
jazzy said:
babies being euthanasia. I read about it other day. In Netherland, they were doing them and Catholic Church were upset about it.

I don't know if it is right thing to do but if it was me in this deformed or terminal ill baby, I would want to put to sleep than live a life vegatable or suffer painful dying.
It is parents' choice. Not these catholic church or governments. Who will take care of these babies, who will feed these babies? Parents. Not these churches or governments.

I believe they made a right decision about it. Why these babies have to be suffer whole of their lives because of their complicated conditions or incurable conditions? That is NOT called 'life'. It is far worse than death.
 
VamPyroX said:
Could you clarify on that some more? Thanks.
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A hospital in the Netherlands — the first nation to permit euthanasia — recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures, which include administering a lethal dose of sedatives.

The announcement by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives — a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates.

In August, the main Dutch doctors' association KNMG urged the Health Ministry to create an independent board to review euthanasia cases for terminally ill people "with no free will," including children, the severely mentally retarded and people left in an irreversible coma after an accident.

The Health Ministry is preparing its response, which could come as soon as December, a spokesman said.

Three years ago, the Dutch parliament made it legal for doctors to inject a sedative and a lethal dose of muscle relaxant at the request of adult patients suffering great pain with no hope of relief.

The Groningen Protocol, as the hospital's guidelines have come to be known, would create a legal framework for permitting doctors to actively end the life of newborns deemed to be in similar pain from incurable disease or extreme deformities.

The guideline says euthanasia is acceptable when the child's medical team and independent doctors agree the pain cannot be eased and there is no prospect for improvement, and when parents think it's best.

Examples include extremely premature births, where children suffer brain damage from bleeding and convulsions; and diseases where a child could only survive on life support for the rest of its life, such as severe cases of spina bifida and epidermosis bullosa, a rare blistering illness.

The has hospital revealed it carried out four such mercy killings in 2003, and reported all cases to government prosecutors. There have been no legal proceedings against the hospital or the doctors.

Roman Catholic organizations and the Vatican (news - web sites) have reacted with outrage to the announcement, and U.S. euthanasia opponents contend the proposal shows the Dutch have lost their moral compass.

"The slippery slope in the Netherlands has descended already into a vertical cliff," said Wesley J. Smith, a prominent California-based critic, in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Child euthanasia remains illegal everywhere. Experts say doctors outside Holland do not report cases for fear of prosecution.

"As things are, people are doing this secretly and that's wrong," said Eduard Verhagen, head of Groningen's children's clinic. "In the Netherlands we want to expose everything, to let everything be subjected to vetting."

According to the Justice Ministry, four cases of child euthanasia were reported to prosecutors in 2003. Two were reported in 2002, seven in 2001 and five in 2000. All the cases in 2003 were reported by Groningen, but some of the cases in other years were from other hospitals.

Groningen estimated the protocol would be applicable in about 10 cases per year in the Netherlands, a country of 16 million people.

Since the introduction of the Dutch law, Belgium has also legalized euthanasia, while in France, legislation to allow doctor-assisted suicide is currently under debate. In the United States, the state of Oregon is alone in allowing physician-assisted suicide, but this is under constant legal challenge.

However, experts acknowledge that doctors euthanize routinely in the United States and elsewhere, but that the practice is hidden.

"Measures that might marginally extend a child's life by minutes or hours or days or weeks are stopped. This happens routinely, namely, every day," said Lance Stell, professor of medical ethics at Davidson College in Davidson, N.C., and staff ethicist at Carolinas Medical Center in Charlotte, N.C. "Everybody knows that it happens, but there's a lot of hypocrisy. Instead, people talk about things they're not going to do."

More than half of all deaths occur under medical supervision, so it's really about management and method of death, Stell said.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041201/ap_on_re_eu/netherlands_child_euthanasia_12
 
Magatsu said:
It is parents' choice. Not these catholic church or governments. Who will take care of these babies, who will feed these babies? Parents. Not these churches or governments.

I believe they made a right decision about it. Why these babies have to be suffer whole of their lives because of their complicated conditions or incurable conditions? That is NOT called 'life'. It is far worse than death.


I respect your opinion;) but, I disagree with you, Having a child with complicated conditions do you rather to have a moment of days whose life is in jeopardy to spend before his/her's time is up? or do you rather to kill life, shorten life, or prevent the creation of life? :)
 
Cheri said:
I respect your opinion;) but, I disagree with you, Having a child with complicated conditions do you rather to have a moment of days whose life is in jeopardy to spend before his/her's time is up? or do you rather to kill life, shorten life, or prevent the creation of life? :)

From what I know, everybody values life in different ways. Some parents don't want their babies to suffer till they die, and some will want to stay with them till the last moment.

I think it just depends on how the parents feel.

Though, I don't see this concept as a good one. I just don't get a good feeling out of it.
 
Cheri said:
I respect your opinion;) but, I disagree with you, Having a child with complicated conditions do you rather to have a moment of days whose life is in jeopardy to spend before his/her's time is up? or do you rather to kill life, shorten life, or prevent the creation of life? :)
Well, if I am a baby with complicated condition or incurable condition and my mom have that decision, I would forgive my mom in heaven if she made a decision to let me go. It is much better than suffer a whole of my life with incurable conditions, medicines, etc etc... that is not life, it is worse than death, far worse.

Well, I will say again, it is entirely up to parents to make a decision, not government or churches. That's how it work for many thousand years. It has been never an issue so why change it? Nature have its own selection, either way we live up to its law or suffer and die.

Sorry Cheri, I had to disagree with you :/
 
Sorry Cheri, I had to disagree with you :/


That's all right. :) I understand your point of view and I respect that.;)
 
I know it may be up to the parent's but still it's wrong to murder a baby no matter how ill the baby is....sorry :(
 
jazzy said:
babies being euthanasia. I read about it other day. In Netherland, they were doing them and Catholic Church were upset about it.

I don't know if it is right thing to do but if it was me in this deformed or terminal ill baby, I would want to put to sleep than live a life vegatable or suffer painful dying.

I have deformed left hand which mean 1 joint each of fingers. Also i have 3 Surgeries when i was sick baby. Also My hearing is damaged as Deaf. So i was glad that my mother love me no matter what am i look like. I grew up and realized that if my baby is not perfect or very sick, I will fight with my baby as love her or him no matter what look like, how serious illness, and shape look like. I rather to stay with baby until she or he might be live or dying. I want baby to be close and smell me as Remember than just put baby with Euthanasia. The baby is not Doll but only from Mother's Womb. It is always happen to every mothers that she might get "perfect" or "unperfect" baby. She have to learn and accept her own baby as love. I dont believe that they should put euthanasia on baby for deformed, illness, or other reasons. They will might be feel so Sorry that they did aleady to her (mom) and his (dad) own baby. I hope that wont happen in US. Also I have a son who have heart problem since he was born. I never thought that i will not love or take care of him for reason Heart problem. I just can't resist my own son and want him to get better. So Today he is strong boy and his heart still have 2 holes as small. I realized that he make me strong and bond with him as heart problems or not. That s what Mother should do her job is take care of child if she or he is sick or healthy. That is make sense to me. :)
Mommyof3
 
personally yes it IS sad but i would prefer to allow legal euthanasia for VERY LIMITED purposes where there is absolutely no hope for recovery (ie: vegetative state and such) -- we do that for our beloved furkids when we know theyre suffering so much and allow them to go to God and tell them that we would join them when its our time -- the concept is the same for those children -- the Hemlock Society has been arguing for legal euthanasia and allowing humans to die with dignity for so many years now since Dr Kevorkian has brought this issue to light

hell -- if i was found to have an incurable whatever with no hope of recovery and/or have no hope of my mental facilities still intact i would MUCH RATHER be euthanasized with dignity than suffer thru the long death and having no dignity left at the time of death -- fuck that shit! right now humans only can have the power to sign a DNR (Do Not Rescituate) order along with the durable power of attorney for healthcare but it DOES NOT allow the person who was given the power to oversee the bedridden person's healthcare to ask for euthanasia cuz its not legal for HUMANS even tho the person KNOWS the bedridden person is suffering and have no dignity! that has to change and to allow ppl to choose between euthanasia with dignity still intact or die at the end with no dignity left regardless of a person's age and if a person is under 18 then allow the parents/guardians make the decision with a choice
 
Banjo said:
From what I know, everybody values life in different ways. Some parents don't want their babies to suffer till they die, and some will want to stay with them till the last moment.

What about adoption?

I would put my baby to adoption if I don't feel ready to be good mother or can't acheive to give my baby better life, he/she deserve it.

What's the wrong with that adoption? Alot of childless parents are happy to adopt them.


The healthy baby deserve to be alive.

I respect every parents's decision.
 
I read about this in an article in the newspaper this morning, at first I couldn't believe what I was reading and furthermore, I was totally dumbfounded and appalled that a hospital was carrying out these procedures before it was allowed and permitted to carry out these euthanasings (an act of putting to sleep/death)!! I honestly can see in their perspective views for allowing this AND will respect their own beliefs and reasonings, although, in my own honest opinion and for what I believe in, one human being doesn't have the 'right' to choose 'life or death' for another human being...What life brings, only can we confront and deal with it to the best of our abilities out of unconditional love and support...Like Liebling suggested, to give up for adoption is an alternative choice to go with for those that may not be able to deal or support the state of conditions a newborn/child is diagnosed with....
 
DeafSCUBA98 said:
can someone explain me what is euthanasia? i feel dumb to ask :oops:

No one is EVER dumb to ask any kind of question... ;)

Means: painless death, as given to avoid suffering by incurable illness--similar to pets being put to 'sleep'....

Hope this explains clearly for you.... :cool:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
What about adoption?

I would put my baby to adoption if I don't feel ready to be good mother or can't acheive to give my baby better life, he/she deserve it.

What's the wrong with that adoption? Alot of childless parents are happy to adopt them.


The healthy baby deserve to be alive.

I respect every parents's decision.

Roadrunner said:
Like Liebling suggested, to give up for adoption is an alternative choice to go with for those that may not be able to deal or support the state of conditions a newborn/child is diagnosed with....
I believe it is not point of taking care of others. I believe it is the point of living with endless pains and suffers. Who wants that? If you are in Jew's shoes when you are in concentration camp, I am more than sure that you would wish that you can die in peace and quick. To me, that is the same conception.

Regardless of my opinion, I respect your opinion or anyone else. I just want to rant a bit more ;)

Edit: In fact, I can see your points and plan to meditate on that one.
 
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I don't get the adoptions when I thought we were talking about babies on the very edge of death or will suffer the worse fate of living in a vegetative state.
 
Roadrunner said:
No one is EVER dumb to ask any kind of question... ;)

Means: painless death, as given to avoid suffering by incurable illness--similar to pets being put to 'sleep'....

Hope this explains clearly for you.... :cool:
Ok, If you want me to go in depth on the PAIN of being put to sleep.. Just let me know..

It's painful. You KNOW it is happening but you can't do anything until it is completed.
 
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