Teaching Pre Schoolers ASL

jillio said:
It was cone-nee-chee-wah. I kept trying to translate it phonetically into something in English because I did not expect him to be speaking Japanese!:giggle: He has 4 older brothers and sisters, and he picks stuff up from them so quickly!

I have 2 parakeets.
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Quite interesting! Budgies are fun companions. Aerobic, curious and like to play.

Only thing about them was their secret poop! You'd never know when they pooped on your shirt.
 
A lot of people here keep saying "I don't get why they are okay with teaching ASL to hearing kids and not to deaf kids" and I'm actually kind of surprised. Coming from the "hearing person's" perspective, I don't think you guys realize that they don't think ASL causes language delays at ALL, which is why they are perfectly fine with teaching hearing kids ASL. The difference is that a teacher/parent can simply sign and speak, and a hearing child can automatically link the sign with the word they are hearing (and eventually link what they hear to what they can read), whereas a deaf child cannot.

Am I wrong in that the way a hearing child learns to read/speak is completely different in the way a deaf child learns to read/speak?
 
Daredevel7 said:
Am I wrong in that the way a hearing child learns to read/speak is completely different in the way a deaf child learns to read/speak?
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yes. read and speak are INDEPENDENT of each other. People can speak but not read aka ILLITERATE so that proved those do not depend on each other. Hearing and Deaf child read the same but obviously speak differently.
 
Jiro said:
yes. read and speak are INDEPENDENT of each other. People can speak but not read aka ILLITERATE so that proved those do not depend on each other. Hearing and Deaf child read the same but obviously speak differently.
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So you're saying that knowing what letters sound phonetically does not affect your reading skills at all?
 
Daredevel7 said:
So you're saying that knowing what letters sound phonetically does not affect your reading skills at all?
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no. Look at hieroglyphics. It's not even letters... they're just pictures and yet - it's a written language. does that make any sense to you? mind you - there are tons of "stone-deaf" people who cannot talk at all but their reading skills are either same or better than hearing.
 
Jiro said:
no. Look at hieroglyphics. It's not even letters... they're just pictures and yet - it's a written language. does that make any sense to you? mind you - there are tons of "stone-deaf" people who cannot talk at all but their reading skills are either same or better than hearing.
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But... there is NO connection between the spoken language of Egyptians and the heiroglyphics.... and there is a direct connection of written English and spoken English.....

I am not saying that deaf people cannot possibly learn to read without speaking/hearing (that's kinda stupid), I'm saying it's DIFFERENT for hearing kids to connect what they read to what they hear/see. If they manage to say it phonetically "K...Ah...T CAT!" they already know what it is by both sign and spoken, whereas deaf people need signs to know what it is.

But hey I am not the expert. My point is I think the way hearing and deaf kids learn is different. For example.... let's say that you teach ASL and written English ONLY to a hearing child, will they have the same language development as a deaf child who also learns the same way?
 
Daredevel7 said:
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But... there is NO connection between the spoken language of Egyptians and the heiroglyphics.... and there is a direct connection of written English and spoken English.....

I am not saying that deaf people cannot possibly learn to read without speaking/hearing (that's kinda stupid), I'm saying it's DIFFERENT for hearing kids to connect what they read to what they hear/see. If they manage to say it phonetically "K...Ah...T CAT!" they already know what it is by both sign and spoken, whereas deaf people need signs to know what it is.

But hey I am not the expert. My point is I think the way hearing and deaf kids learn is different. For example.... let's say that you teach ASL and written English ONLY to a hearing child, will they have the same language development as a deaf child who also learns the same way?
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good question but to best of my knowledge... answer's still no. We'll have to wait for an expert to answer this question :hmm:
 
Daredevel7 said:
A lot of people here keep saying "I don't get why they are okay with teaching ASL to hearing kids and not to deaf kids" and I'm actually kind of surprised. Coming from the "hearing person's" perspective, I don't think you guys realize that they don't think ASL causes language delays at ALL, which is why they are perfectly fine with teaching hearing kids ASL. The difference is that a teacher/parent can simply sign and speak, and a hearing child can automatically link the sign with the word they are hearing (and eventually link what they hear to what they can read), whereas a deaf child cannot.

Am I wrong in that the way a hearing child learns to read/speak is completely different in the way a deaf child learns to read/speak?
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They don't think it until they have a deaf kid of their own. And speak, yes, read, no. The only reason they learn to speak differently is because it must be a directed active learning. Hearing children learn to speak from passive acquisition. However, deaf children learn sign the same way hearing kids learn to speak. The acquire it as a language from exposure.
 
Daredevel7 said:
So you're saying that knowing what letters sound phonetically does not affect your reading skills at all?
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Phonetics is but one avenue to reading. There are many strategies for teaching reading, and given the way that we process the written word cogntively, is not the most preferred by most educators. Many hearing children cannot grasp the concept of phonics.
 
Reading and writing comprehension is totally different from being verbal or able to speak.
 
Daredevel7 said:
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I am not saying that deaf people cannot possibly learn to read without speaking/hearing (that's kinda stupid), I'm saying it's DIFFERENT for hearing kids to connect what they read to what they hear/see. If they manage to say it phonetically "K...Ah...T CAT!" they already know what it is by both sign and spoken, whereas deaf people need signs to know what it is.

But hey I am not the expert. My point is I think the way hearing and deaf kids learn is different. For example.... let's say that you teach ASL and written English ONLY to a hearing child, will they have the same language development as a deaf child who also learns the same way?
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Daredevel7 - When children who are deaf are provided consistent access to the sounds of spoken language visually through cueing, they can and do learn to read and write on par with their hearing peers. They make the connection to sound and print.

'Tis indeed a good thing!
 
loml said:
Daredevel7 - When children who are deaf are provided consistent access to the sounds of spoken language visually through cueing, they can and do learn to read and write on par with their hearing peers. They make the connection to sound and print.

'Tis indeed a good thing!
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What about those hearing kids who do not learn to read phonetically? What about those deaf kids with early exposure to sign that learn to read on par with their hearing peers because they have learned to make the connection of print word to sign word. Sound is but a symbol. It is not the all and everything to reading and literacy.

Likewise, your comment is terribly misleading. Not all cuers learn to read at the same level as their hearing peers. Not all hearing children learn to read at the same level of their hearing peers. And some deaf children learn to read at advanced levels compared to their hearing peers. It is not nearly as simple and as clear cut as you seem to think it is.

And I've said it before, and will say it again: if CS is so successful at raising literacy rates, why, after 40 years, is it rarely used?
 
naisho said:
Greetings loml,

If you didn't catch it previously, I would like to point you to an earlier post a page back in this thread.
I apologize in advance if you've already taken note of it.

Thank you,
naisho
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naisho - I appreciate your offer of "goodwill'. Let me explain my use of the poster name in my response. It is simply to indentify to other participants within the said topic who my post is intended for.

It is no different than sitting around a large table with many "side bars" of discussion going on and as a courtesy to the other people around the table, identifying who you are engaging in conversation with.

I apologise if this has caused confusion or ruffled feathers. That is not my intention.

Namaste
 
Let's get back on topic. This thread is about teaching pre-schoolers ASL, not Cued Speech.
 
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