Teacher in Colorado arrested for asking for topless photos

[shel90]

What Jiro and Reba said....he violated that trust as someone who serves the community. He did not just hurt the victims but the community as a whole. He doesn't deserve to be in society if he can be harmful to society.

 

[ambrosia]

So......anybody that commits any crime, they should just go to jail.....forever. Is that what we're doing now? Well if our jails are going to just fill with people that are never going to come out until they're dead......why don't we just kill them all first instead?

 

[Reba]

So......anybody that commits any crime, they should just go to jail.....forever. Is that what we're doing now? Well if our jails are going to just fill with people that are never going to come out until they're dead......why don't we just kill them all first instead?

That's a pretty generalized extrapolation from this one case.

 

[ambrosia]

That's a pretty generalized extrapolation from this one case.

It's illustrates the extremism of this line of thinking. Be removed from society and serve a life sentence for asking 15-17 yos for topless pics, not even crotch shots? Not even to see them on purpose? Not even touching them? Not even posting them on the Internet. People don't even get life sentences for rape. That over zealous kind of thinking makes me think how easy it must been convince people to burn witches at the stake.

Yes before you say I didn't say that he should, I know, I'm not talking to you there.

 

[hoichi]

Transmission or the request for nude pictures of minors is trafficking in child pornography. That is a serious sexual offense. He is a "real deal sexual offender." There are different classifications of sexual offense but that doesn't mean it's any less dangerous..

right like all those wee naked indian boobs that grace the pages of national geo, do we have a dragnet against the publishers and photographers of that yet? why not!! this is an outrage!!!! (rolls eyes)

No, that's not how it works. If he can't maintain the requirements of his probation, then he's not safe to be allowed out with society. It's his choice to either obey the restrictions of probation or go to jail. If he doesn't have that much self control, then it isn't safe to let him out. The monster is already present.

You don't have to tell me how parole works sugar....i've been in, i've done some stretches. i know full well how it works. i lived amongst monsters the only deaf guy on the range fighting to save my damn ass from real deal monsters, monsters that would want more then to ask to see wee teen tits. Thus when i see hysterical calls to send guys up for life, over something like this, as i did in this thread i take a closer look........i mean no offense to you Reba i don't. And i hope you realize that. But what monster is here present? What heinous monster must we as society be so so so protected from? the monster of asking to see wee teen boobs? really? really?
gosh the horror the horror?

It's good to keep him away from vulnerable society.

yeah, wouldn't want him to keep asking to see wee teen boobies now.....(drags cigarette, exhales, scratches nipple, looks away)

No, that is not simple nor safe.

says you, seems like a preety good way to handle it in my opinion. fire him and be done with it.

Just firing him is how a lot of sexual offenders got away with a lifetime of offending in the past. Teachers were fired then moved to new towns and jobs. Priests were transferred to new parishes. Military offenders were transferred to new duty stations or urged to retire early. Lots of looking the other way to ignore "funny" uncles.

all those asking to see wee teen boobie offenders? are those the ones you referring too? or are you talking about something else?

My final comment:

I find it offensive for you to refer to these victimized young women in such a callous manner. I would hope to God that you would never refer to your daughters in such a way.

yeah well.........lucky i'm Deaf cuz i cant hear that violin your playin, cryn shame, for what its worth ill pour a fine shot of scotch for the victims.
the least i can do

in charity Reba, pls take no offense.
Hoichi-the earless

 

[hoichi]

the prison is overcrowded with people with petty drug charges. that time is changing... soon - we'll have much more room for scumbags like him.

No doubt. Most i was in with were violent dickheads. but that depends on the classification. as an aside pedos (this guy in the op isnt one by the way) wont be on the range. they will be protected in PC. not with us other Cons.
this guy asked to see boobs. punishment must meet the crime

 

[ncff07]

And what were you in for (each time if more than once) and how long were you in each time and total time incarcerated?

 

[Foxrac]

I'm intensely detest pedophiles and child rapists, so I believe child rapists should receive death penalty and asking for sexual picture should get very long prison time with sex offender registration.

I have ZERO tolerance about expose the sexual image to children, that's extremely morally unacceptable.

 

[hoichi]

what? you are grossly and gravely mistaken. and very naive.

I'm many things naive is not one.

this is not just a bewbie "peek-a-boo".

Yes it is. thats exactly what it is. He is a guy who asked to see teenage girls boobies. girls that where 14 and up. thats exactly what this is.

this is a serious violation of god-given trust between teachers and students. school is a safe haven for children and exploiting that is just.... it's unspeakable.

Oh well since you put it like that, then why not just execute him? Save us all the trouble. Hang him high. No trial, Nothing. He asked to see boobs.
Hang em!! Closest tree will do. After all his offense is unspeakable (covers face with both hands, peaks out between fingers both ways)

criminal sexual transgression begins with perversity. thanks god he got caught before sexting turns into sex rape. and you're demanding that he be given a spank and let go to public?

sexting, gosh well......Yes contrary to some on here i am demanding that fairness be kept a faculty of justice, and that punishment must meet the crime or justice and the system which claims it is bogus.

you think he'll just stop and be a good boy? oh dear... oh dear.. it's not that we we are not unable to articulate a reason to you.... you are simply unable to comprehend this issue entirely. just wait till you get older and you'll get it.

yeah i'm sure i will one day........

look. i don't mean to step on any toes or cause any undue wedges. really im just opposed to sending guys up for life over stupid shit like this.

thats the nutshell of my position. because since no one on here did it. i did do the homework and frankly this chump isn't worth the cost per day society will have to pay for him to be incarcerated for life. thus is how this wee discussion of ours got goin.....that signed. i respect others opinions here that differ from mine. sure hes a monster hang em.
ok
sure hes a monster send em up for life!!!!!!
cool

 

[hoichi]

And what were you in for (each time if more than once) and how long were you in each time and total time incarcerated?

If you want personal details ill pm you.
all told i did close to 3 years of my life in. 6 of it dead time. much of it in SEG
i am not proud, if it seems so i apologize for being misunderstood...
i hate prison, i hate jail. i hated it. really really really hated it. i was the only Deaf guy on the range. and it was very very hard. its only through the grace of God i didn't off myself...

peoples milage varies. i've known some who really like it
i didnt

how about you?

 

[shel90]

So......anybody that commits any crime, they should just go to jail.....forever. Is that what we're doing now? Well if our jails are going to just fill with people that are never going to come out until they're dead......why don't we just kill them all first instead?

For the potential of harming our children, I think yes.

 

[Jiro]

I'm many things naive is not one.



Yes it is. thats exactly what it is. He is a guy who asked to see teenage girls boobies. girls that where 14 and up. thats exactly what this is.



Oh well since you put it like that, then why not just execute him? Save us all the trouble. Hang him high. No trial, Nothing. He asked to see boobs.
Hang em!! Closest tree will do. After all his offense is unspeakable (covers face with both hands, peaks out between fingers both ways)



sexting, gosh well......Yes contrary to some on here i am demanding that fairness be kept a faculty of justice, and that punishment must meet the crime or justice and the system which claims it is bogus.



yeah i'm sure i will one day........

look. i don't mean to step on any toes or cause any undue wedges. really im just opposed to sending guys up for life over stupid shit like this.

thats the nutshell of my position. because since no one on here did it. i did do the homework and frankly this chump isn't worth the cost per day society will have to pay for him to be incarcerated for life. thus is how this wee discussion of ours got goin.....that signed. i respect others opinions here that differ from mine. sure hes a monster hang em.
ok
sure hes a monster send em up for life!!!!!!
cool

yes. lock'em up for life.

one pedophile equals several pedophiles equals dozens of victims. it's a vicious cycle.

 

[shel90]

yeah, wouldn't want him to keep asking to see wee teen boobies now.....(drags cigarette, exhales, scratches nipple, looks away)

Usually that's the first start to more dangerous behaviors to children. Just like serial killers usually start out by abusing animals.

Food for thought...

 

[hoichi]

yes. lock'em up for life.

one pedophile equals several pedophiles equals dozens of victims. it's a vicious cycle.

cool.
was this man a pedophile?

 

[hoichi]

yeah, wouldn't want him to keep asking to see wee teen boobies now.....(drags cigarette, exhales, scratches nipple, looks away)

Usually that's the first start to more dangerous behaviors to children. Just like serial killers usually start out by abusing animals.

Food for thought...

these girls weren't children they were teens. some old enough to drive,

 

[Jiro]

Okay I can't speak for him, but I think he's saying there should be some middle ground. I don't recall hoichi saying there should be no punishment whatsoever, he was addressing Marks lock him up and throw away the key. That's excessive, I think that was his point.

The charge needs to fit the crime. He didn't attack anyone, touch anyone, this gurjs were between 15 and 17, not little girls, but fully developed young women so we're not talking pedophile. These girls look the basically the same as any 25 year old. You're making it something it's not. Yes he's a dirty old man, a lecherous bastard, but hoichi point was his crime does not deserve life inprisonment. Would you agree with that?

there's no middle ground. none whatsoever. exploiting a kid is just the worst possible sin and travesty of humanity. we're not talking about some DUI or drug dealing. this is sexual exploitation of minors. as I said in previous post - one pedophile equals several pedophiles equals dozens of victims.

a pedophile is a sexual predator for life. they will not stop until they get locked up. a pedophile is as dangerous and vicious as a serial rapist/killer.

my only justice for a pedophile touching my kid is a shotgun and shovel in my trunk. the only way for him to live is to stay in jail for life. end of discussion.

 

[Jiro]

cool.
was this man a pedophile?

yes

 

[Jiro]

these girls weren't children they were teens. some old enough to drive,

and...... ? it's still illegal and they're minors.

it's pretty apparent that you're having a great difficulty in understanding it. is it because you're a convict therefore you see no wrong on his side?

 

[shel90]

these girls weren't children they were teens. some old enough to drive,

He was a TEACHER!!! Whats wrong with 18 years old and older?

 

[Reba]

in charity Reba, pls take no offense.
Hoichi-the earless

The offense is not to me but to the victims. You show no respect towards these girls who were victimized. As a mother and grandmother, I can't bear the crude way you keep referring to them so I'm withdrawing from this discussion.