Teacher in Colorado arrested for asking for topless photos

[ChicagoBlue2]

Did you do the homework. If your gonna demand society so something at least find out the costs to society.
jail for life......over asking to see tis?
really?
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really

Here's a question. If you have kids, which would you prefer, that the teacher be reported before any REAL harm has been done, or would you rather find out that MAYBE your child was abused by said teacher? There's a huge difference here, and that's why there are rules in place for stuff like this. For me, I'd rather the teacher be stopped before he had a chance to REALLY do something bad, and by the sounds of it, that's exactly what might've happened had he not been arrested when he was. That's my opinion, but it's sounding like he had a thirst for something he shouldn't had a thirst for.

 

[Calvin]

Unfortunately, there is some teachers who have spotless on their record who is pedophile until they get caught in the act. We never know if your child's teacher is pedo or not. There is male teacher seeking topless female students... and on the other hand, a female teacher having sex with male students.

Something is wrong with the teaching in some schools out there. It is disgusting that the kids (students) are helpless victims as they're taken advantage of by their teachers.

 

[ChicagoBlue2]

Wirelessly posted (ZTE X501 Phone/Asus Tablet)

Unfortunately, there is some teachers who have spotless on their record who is pedophile until they get caught in the act. We never know if your child's teacher is pedo or not. There is male teacher seeking topless female students... and on the other hand, a female teacher having sex with male students.

Something is wrong with the teaching in some schools out there. It is disgusting that the kids (students) are helpless victims as they're taken advantage of by their teachers.

Yes, it certainly is, and it makes me sick to my stomach that I see a lot of that here.

 

[hoichi]

Here's a question. If you have kids, which would you prefer, that the teacher be reported before any REAL harm has been done,

You are demanding life in prison, not just reporting. For a human being, which you above, cede has done no real harm? Or have you reworked some sketchy thinking?

or would you rather find out that MAYBE your child was abused by said teacher

i would like to know if my child was abused. yes who wouldn't.

? There's a huge difference here,

yes (drags cigerette, exhales, sips a fine fine drink)

the teacher be stopped before he had a chance to REALLY do something bad, and by the sounds of it, that's exactly what might've happened had he not been arrested when he was. That's my opinion,

no one has argued he shouldn't of been stopped or even punished. punishment my young friend needs to fit the crime. asking to see pics of teen boobies does not in no way shape or form deserve life in prison. tax payers don't deserve it, the perv doesn't deserve it.

but it's sounding like he had a thirst for something he shouldn't had a thirst for.

culturally you are correct, biologically you are in error

 

[dereksbicycles]

Jail is the best way to go. If the teacher wasn't asking students for topless pictures, then where else will he go and ask for topless pictures? The thought is endless.

 

[ChicagoBlue2]

Jail is the best way to go. If the teacher wasn't asking students for topless pictures, then where else will he go and ask for topless pictures? The thought is endless.

Thank you, Derek. It's where he belongs.

 

[hoichi]

Thank you, Derek. It's where he belongs.

You keep saying that. So now why don't you do the homework and see if it is indeed true?

Why does he deserve life in prison for asking to see boobs?
pls use critical thinking and demonstrate it

Or are you just going to demand something but be unable to articulate a reasoned why as to the benefit to society of your demands.?

How much does it costs society to keep one person incarcerated for one day?
times that by life.
now see if you can argue a benefit that your demand will have on society.

 

[hoichi]

Jail is the best way to go. .

Why?

If the teacher wasn't asking students for topless pictures,.
then where else will he go and ask for topless pictures? The thought is endless.

the above is irrelevant to the discussion, but since you asked ill hazard a guess and say a local peeler, so what?

 

[Bottesini]

You keep saying that. So now why don't you do the homework and see if it is indeed true?

Why does he deserve life in prison for asking to see boobs?
pls use critical thinking and demonstrate it

Or are you just going to demand something but be unable to articulate a reasoned why as to the benefit to society of your demands.?

How much does it costs society to keep one person incarcerated for one day?
times that by life.
now see if you can argue a benefit that your demand will have on society.

It's not for the act itself, but for abusing a position of trust.

Many times pedophiles get themselves into jobs and volunteer positions with contact with their preferred victims.

It doesn't really have anything to do with that particular pedophile other than sending a message that our society won't tolerate it.

 

[ambrosia]

According to the article the girls were 15, 16 and 17........seems like a pedophile likes their victims a little more.....prepubescent??? Skeevy for sure, but pedophile?? Seems not so much.

Heck that's the perfect marriageable age according to Phil Robertson

 

[hoichi]

It's not for the act itself, but for abusing a position of trust.

Many times pedophiles get themselves into jobs and volunteer positions with contact with their preferred victims.

Irrelevant. thats like saying many times burglars case joints before they rob them
indeed so what?

It doesn't really have anything to do with that particular pedophile other than sending a message that our society won't tolerate it.

This has EVERYHTING to do with this man, who is not by definition a pedophile. a pedophile is someone who is aroused by prepubescent children, this man was asking teenagers to see boobs by definition he is not a pedophile he would be termed an Ephebophile. as to the 14 year old he may fit the category of Hebephilie, no place has his actions been that of a pedophile. Regardless this has everything to do with him. If your gonna send a message by sending someone up to life in prison then at least get your terms right and further still find the costs of those demands on society.
Society wont tolerate it?
Tolerate what exactly are we here speaking about?
A man asking teens to see tits?
We need to be very precise here. A mans life hangs in the balance, right or wrong. society also has to meet requirements of justice. Or the system itself will loose what is called the consent to govern. which is the opposite to the rule of law. which is what we are talking about in this thread. we are talking about laws, prison, punishment,
be precise

 

[ambrosia]

I say def no more teaching, well now he's a sex offender I don't think he can, some jail time sure, but life??? That's over the top.

 

[Reba]

...We need to be very precise here. A mans life hangs in the balance, right or wrong. society also has to meet requirements of justice. Or the system itself will loose what is called the consent to govern. which is the opposite to the rule of law. which is what we are talking about in this thread. we are talking about laws, prison, punishment, be precise

He abused his position of authority to take sexual advantage of minors. If his life "hangs in the balance," whose fault is that? He knew what he was doing, and he wasn't entrapped. He continued doing it even when he knew the police were on to him. He is responsible for his actions and the consequences that result.

I'm not saying he should get a life prison sentence; that's unrealistic to expect. At the very least he should never be allowed to teach again, be put on the sexual offenders registry, attend mandatory counseling, and supervised probation. One smidgen of discrepancy during the probation period, then throw him behind bars.

 

[hoichi]

He abused his position of authority to take sexual advantage of minors.

indeed he did abuse his position, no one is here arguing otherwise

If his life "hangs in the balance," whose fault is that? He knew what he was doing, and he wasn't entrapped. He continued doing it even when he knew the police were on to him. He is responsible for his actions and the consequences that result..

it is his fault. no one is here arguing otherwise. once the state incarcerates and or arrests you and you are in custody his life now is the states responsibility, regardless of his crime.

I'm not saying he should get a life prison sentence; that's unrealistic to expect. At the very least he should never be
allowed to teach again,

fair enough but in my opinion thats over the top, then again i respect your differing one.

be put on the sexual offenders registry,
attend mandatory counseling, and supervised probation. One smidgen of discrepancy during the probation period, then throw him behind bars.

This I find very dangerous thinking. he asked to see photos. why the need to put him int he same category as rapists and pedophiles, sexual offenders. he asked ot see pics. interesting thing here is he asked. if he was a real deal sexual offender he would of not asked to see pics he would of grabbed this girls and did what the hell he wanted. period.

the easiest way to turn a man into a monster is to incarcerate him with other monsters. if you want to put a guy inside for breach of probation for asking to see pics of teen titties, i guarantee you he will come out seeking to rape other teen girls. no asking, no pics. no net chat. he will be a monster.
so then again i ask how is that good for society?

fairness is a faculty of justice. punishment must meet the crime or the system is itself founded on nothing other then the rule by force of a monopoly of violence ie the state. and to the above i agree indeed it is.

rather i offer an alternative which is this.
fire him if need be, and be done with it.

simple.

safe the police, courts, prison, parole, breach, councilors to handle the monsters. this guy was a asking to see teen boobies
spare me

 

[Reba]

This I find very dangerous thinking. he asked to see photos. why the need to put him int he same category as rapists and pedophiles, sexual offenders. he asked ot see pics. interesting thing here is he asked. if he was a real deal sexual offender he would of not asked to see pics he would of grabbed this girls and did what the hell he wanted. period.

Transmission or the request for nude pictures of minors is trafficking in child pornography. That is a serious sexual offense. He is a "real deal sexual offender." There are different classifications of sexual offense but that doesn't mean it's any less dangerous.

the easiest way to turn a man into a monster is to incarcerate him with other monsters. if you want to put a guy inside for breach of probation for asking to see pics of teen titties, i guarantee you he will come out seeking to rape other teen girls. no asking, no pics. no net chat. he will be a monster.

No, that's not how it works. If he can't maintain the requirements of his probation, then he's not safe to be allowed out with society. It's his choice to either obey the restrictions of probation or go to jail. If he doesn't have that much self control, then it isn't safe to let him out. The monster is already present.

so then again i ask how is that good for society?

It's good to keep him away from vulnerable society.

fairness is a faculty of justice. punishment must meet the crime or the system is itself founded on nothing other then the rule by force of a monopoly of violence ie the state. and to the above i agree indeed it is.

rather i offer an alternative which is this.
fire him if need be, and be done with it.

simple.

No, that is not simple nor safe.

Just firing him is how a lot of sexual offenders got away with a lifetime of offending in the past. Teachers were fired then moved to new towns and jobs. Priests were transferred to new parishes. Military offenders were transferred to new duty stations or urged to retire early. Lots of looking the other way to ignore "funny" uncles.

safe the police, courts, prison, parole, breach, councilors to handle the monsters. this guy was a asking to see teen boobies
spare me

My final comment:

I find it offensive for you to refer to these victimized young women in such a callous manner. I would hope to God that you would never refer to your daughters in such a way.

 

[Jiro]

he certainly is a perv. no doubt about it. surprised it hasn't caught with him till now. one was 15. the rest 16 or over. Im all for firing the guy. My beef is wanting prison for Him. Heres why. Heres some home work.
How much doe sit costs to keep someone incarcerated for one day?
Times life
Tell me if you truly believe it is worth it for society, over asking some girls to see boobs to lock him up? its not like prisons suffer an overpopulation plm or anything.
Think it through
Further. fairness is a faculty of justice. Punishment should meet and suit the crime. prison for "asking" to see something? you send him in for asking to see something, he will come out a con wanting to rape something.
thats a slippery slope in my eyes
Instead save everyone allot of loot and just fire him. be done with it. police, courts layers, prisons, parole, ect ect. not worth it
prison for asking to see wee boobs?
mmmmm
tsk tsk
well at least no one demanded immediate execution by firring squad without a trial. thats a start

the prison is overcrowded with people with petty drug charges. that time is changing... soon - we'll have much more room for scumbags like him.

 

[Jiro]

If this "so called teacher" approached my daughter for some topless photos....I'd kick his ass.

a beatdown by 2-3 older brothers.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BL4fDCHFT4]Pedophile gets caught and gets beat up! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Jiro]

You keep saying that. So now why don't you do the homework and see if it is indeed true?

Why does he deserve life in prison for asking to see boobs?
pls use critical thinking and demonstrate it

Or are you just going to demand something but be unable to articulate a reasoned why as to the benefit to society of your demands.?

How much does it costs society to keep one person incarcerated for one day?
times that by life.
now see if you can argue a benefit that your demand will have on society.

what? you are grossly and gravely mistaken. and very naive. this is not just a bewbie "peek-a-boo". this is a serious violation of god-given trust between teachers and students. school is a safe haven for children and exploiting that is just.... it's unspeakable.

criminal sexual transgression begins with perversity. thanks god he got caught before sexting turns into sex rape. and you're demanding that he be given a spank and let go to public?

you think he'll just stop and be a good boy? oh dear... oh dear.. it's not that we we are not unable to articulate a reason to you.... you are simply unable to comprehend this issue entirely. just wait till you get older and you'll get it.

 

[ambrosia]

Okay I can't speak for him, but I think he's saying there should be some middle ground. I don't recall hoichi saying there should be no punishment whatsoever, he was addressing Marks lock him up and throw away the key. That's excessive, I think that was his point.

The charge needs to fit the crime. He didn't attack anyone, touch anyone, this gurjs were between 15 and 17, not little girls, but fully developed young women so we're not talking pedophile. These girls look the basically the same as any 25 year old. You're making it something it's not. Yes he's a dirty old man, a lecherous bastard, but hoichi point was his crime does not deserve life inprisonment. Would you agree with that?

 

[Tousi]

Well, for starters, Hoichi doesn't even agree that the teacher should never teach children again. Makes me wonder........