Homeschooling

[Liebling:-)))]

Reba:
This is extremely different from American schools.

Yes, that's what I said at my earlier post.

I already read your posts and you will get my answer after lunch today.

 

[Cheri]

I don't think homeschooling is the best answer, first I agree with Vampy's post... My ex best friend was homeschooling also...Homeschooling is not better than public schools or private schools, they are the same, My ex best friend partied alot and even did drugs even through she never been in public schools and she doesn't know alot of words, So I think if a parent want to have their children homeschooling then I think the parent should be a better home educators the same way the teachers at public schools teaches. You know there also a Law in Ohio if a Police sees children on the streets or in the stores during school hours they would arrested/fined the parent for not taking their children to school therefore you would have to explain to them they are homeschooling, and provided the children used standardized tests that gotta suck for them. I think it would be frustrating for parent and the child alone with homeschooling because, the child would have to obey the parent 24 hours a day.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I don't think homeschooling is the best answer, first I agree with Vampy's post... My ex best friend was homeschooling also...Homeschooling is not better than public schools or private schools, they are the same, My ex best friend partied alot and even did drugs even through she never been in public schools and she doesn't know alot of words, So I think if a parent want to have their children homeschooling then I think the parent should be a better home educators the same way the teachers at public schools teaches. You know there also a Law in Ohio if a Police sees children on the streets or in the stores during school hours they would arrested/fined the parent for not taking their children to school therefore you would have to explain to them they are homeschooling, and provided the children used standardized tests that gotta suck for them. I think it would be frustrating for parent and the child alone with homeschooling because, the child would have to obey the parent 24 hours a day.

Agreed!

I like Ohio law about control homeschoolers on the street or stores since homeschooling legal in your country.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Leibling,

http://www.wirtschaftsschule.de/indextest.htm

Sorry, I am not fluent in German.

It explains in link what wirtschaftsschule (School of Business/School of Economic) is.
http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=285422&postcount=86


http://learning.dada.at/res/pdf/ESCHOOL1.PDF

It says that it's almost similar as "Realschule" (Secondary school)

Quote:
Wirtschaftsschule: In Bavaria, a school type as an alternvative to Realschule (Secondary school) with a more economic/techanical orientation.

Another question:

Do the German schools have student diversity? In America, many schools are very diverse in race, nationality, language, culture, and religion. The schools your children attend, do they have classmates of various racial, religious, and national backgrounds?

Well, as far as I know that German schools in a large city like Berlin, etc. Yes.

The school where my sons attend, have few russians and turkies but my sons learn to respect when they are different than ours. I remember that my son asked me a question: "Do you against color skin"? I answer: No, I do not against color skin because they are human and have different beliefs. Important is good personality. I told him that color skins have lovely personality, no matter what color skin they have.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It looks like the children are put into specific career tracks while still young (7th grade). Is that correct? Does that mean they are trained for certain jobs while they are still in school?

I would say yes.

They learn everything in Hauptschule (elementary/primary school) until they show interesting on things and will know that it's right for them to go other school from 5th grade where they are really interesting. I realized that it's useful to satafisy the children's future education.

From 5th grade at Secondary school (Realschule) and Gymnasium (grammar school) where they are really interesting to consider about their future career. There're kind of law, salemen, bank, etc... they can choose which they like to learn for their future career.

From 7th grade at Wirtschaftsschule in Bavaria (School of business/School of Economic) like what I mentioned at my earlier posts.
economic/techanical, computer, insurance matter, fiannical, etc. My son is thinking about computer expert/specialist or insurance company, tax officer. That's right school he is interesting to consider about. that's why he choose Wirtschaftsschule. We support his choice.

If children who have poor education/doesnt feel ready to think about their future career etc or rather want to work at simple job like hairdressers, plumber, painter, stores, etc then stay primary/elementary school until 9th grade then will get Secondary school examination in end year of 9th grade to decide about their future career.

math, history, german, english, laboratory, etc. are require in 4 different schools.

 

[Kalista]

Sabrina,

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=285424&postcount=87

I learn from my co-worker who has 18 years old son. She explained that the government support the children with foreign course is English and French only.

If the student want more than just English and French course then they have to pay by their own pocket or get support from their parents to attend evening school. If their course in evening school prove the government greatly for their future then they support them fully because they need student for policities, etc.

Here in Germany dont have high school like america. See my post to Reba with link. It´s different school system as English countries.

I am glad to hear that Germany offer an English class for the Public School in Germany. English is very popular in this world. English language is very useful for the national people to speak and write.

My sons can communicate with your sons in English. They may willing learn how to speak Germany like that. Ich werde Sie ficken

 

[Opal]

Originally Posted by Tamara
Why do you think Germany is different????

What you have written above sounds like the basic minimum anywhere for teachers!!!!

Go and check link where I response Reba if you are still interesting. If not, then is not my problem. Everyone would interesting to know what school system in different countries alike.

If you dont like then dont have to post it.

It is very hard to check these links since they were only posted after my post!!!!!

Unfortunately they don't answer the question raised about teacher qualifications.

Do you want to have another go?????

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Leibling,

I am trying to understand the links you posted. I can't copy and paste from the pdf link but I will use the other one for some questions.

"At the moment it is very hard to get a place at a kindergarten because there aren't enough kindergartens for all of the little children. That is why many parents start asking for a place after the birth of the children.
In Germany children can attend the kindergarten from the age of three on until the beginning of elementary school which is at the age of approximately six years. At the beginning of 1995 there were 500,000 kindergarten places and those places were about 46,000 teachers short. So, as you can see, it is not easy to get your child in a kindergarten."
Is that still the situation, or is that old information?

Liebing)) answer:
Yes, it's still the same! I applied Kindergarten for my sons when they were babies. My sons are top of waiting list due speech development because of our deafness.
It's not just only deafness but single parent, divorced parent, disabled parent, widow parent, e.g.
Kindergarten from 3 to 6 years old before go to Hauptschule (elementary/primary school).

I notice that they reduce teachers since Euro converation in 2001. Example: My sons use to have 4 or 5 different teacher daily, now 3 to 4.

"German Elementary School:
After kindergarten at age six the children start elementary school. Elementary school consists of four years. The children usually have one main teacher who teaches many subjects and about two or three others for other subjects which the main teacher doesn't teach."
American elementary school is five or six years, depending on the community. The rest of the above excerpt is similar to American school.

Liebling)) answer
They use to have 2 teachers in 1st to 2nd grade, now 1 teacher.
one extra teacher from 3rd to 4th grade, sometimes 3 teachers.
more teachers from 5th to 9th grades. I notice it's few teachers reduction due Euro convertion. I check my oldest son's school plan sheet.
Monday and Wednesday: - 3 teachers
Tuesday - 4 teachers
Thursday: - 5 teachers
Friday: - 2 teachers

I only say what I know from my son's school plan sheet.

"They learn to read and write, do basic math and social standards and values required to live in a group. They also have religious education (R.E.) in elementary school and music as well as P.E. and a subject called HSU. HSU means "Heimat und Sachunterricht" and combines history, local geography and biology into it."

What do they teach in "social standards and values required to live in a group" and "religious education"?

Liebling)) answer
Everything in the life what the children learn like this.
It's too many in the list what they learn and also respect, too.

Hire someone from police station over criminals, traffic, road safe (its common for germans use bicycles etc), public healthy department (healthy food, drink and dentist etc), polities, job careers, etc etc etc etc

"After elementary school the system differs enormously from the American way of education. For many years there have always been three traditional different school types after elementary school: These three schools are separated after the speed of learning, intelligence and/or choice of the students. There are the so-called "Hauptschule", "Realschule" and the "Gymnasium".

Liebling)) answer
3 schools "Haupschule" (Elementary/primary school) from 1st to 4th grade and also to 9th grade.

"Realschule" (Secondary school) from 5th to 10th grade.

"Gymnasium" (Grammar school) from 5th to 10th grade, but could be extend to 13th grade.

I'm surprised that they didnt add "Wirtschaftsschule". It sound that Wirtschaftsschule is only in Bavaria. ***strugg***. Anyway, Wirtschaftsschule (School of Business/School of Economic) from 7th grade to 10th grade.

Check my last post, it explains about these 4 different school.

The Hauptschule is the lowest level of education. It lasts from the 5th grade up to the 9th grade and after the 9th grade they achieve the lowest certificate of education.
In the Realschule there are those who learn faster and they are taught until the 10th grade. They have the medium level of education after the 10th grade comparable to the General Certificate of Secondary Education (G.C.S.E.) in Great Britain.
In the Gymnasium they can leave after the 10th grade with an equivalent certificate of the G.C.S.E., but according to their marks and engagement they can go on until the 13th grade (in a few states up to the 12th grade) and pass the A-levels afterwards. That is the highest level of education.
A very good thing about the German school system is that the students always have the opportunity to reach a higher level of education if they WANT to. For example: Somebody who has achieved the G.C.S.E. after the 10th grade can attend a so-called "Fachgymnasium" and try to pass the A-levels. So everybody can improve his or her certificate."

This is extremely different from American schools.

Liebling)) answer
Yeah, I notice since I work for US army caserne that US only have elementary, high and Rainbow school for US children but some of US parents put their children to German Kindergarten. I also notice that the schools and homeschooling education system are not same in different countries but it's interesting for me to experience why everyone has different opinion to put school education system for the children.

"German Comprehensive School:
Beside these three main traditional schools types there are the comprehensive schools as well which comprise of all the above mentioned school forms and offer the students to switch between the schools without changing to a different building. In recent years those schools are faced with serious problems as the number of students is enormously high which makes it difficult to establish social values and standards."

I wonder what it means "makes it difficult to establish social values and standards"?

Liebling))
I really dont know about this. I already ask my co-worker either she know about this or not because she has 18 years old son. She didnt know either. Perhaps it's something do with large cities like Berlin? ???

"German Berufsschule:
There is also another school type. The vocational schools called "Berufsschule" in Germany. The Berufsschule teaches apprentices the basics of their jobs. So a plumber for example works three and a half days a week in his shop and learns the practical things and in the other one and half days the vocational schools provide knowledge, skills and competences about the theoretical parts of the job. The apprentices are paid low wages which will increase during the three years of apprenticeship."

How old are the students at the Berufsschule?

Liebling)) answer
Depend different school go direct to Berufschule.

Elementary/Primary school: 9th Grade (15 years old) go to Berufschule to learn simple like hairdressers, stores, plumber, painter, building, etc. etc. etc. up to 3 years. If they can go to Fachhochschule (College) to get highly qualified and also gain qualifications if they dont like what they learn kind of training course at 3 year Berufschule. If they dont want to go Berufschule after Elementary school then they can go to Secondary school to get examination until 10th grade then go Berufschule or Fachhochschule.........

Secondary school: 10th Grade (16 years old) can go to Berufschule for less than 2 years to learn kind of Banks, office skills for lawyers, notaries, insurance, etc etc where they learn at Secondary school to collect more experience to prepare for their future career then go to college to get extra qualifications or get job right way.......

Grammar school: 10th to 13th grade (16 to 18 years old) can go direct to university to learn their future career after finish grammar school OR go to Berufschule for less 2 years to learn office skills or dentist, doctors, practise for dentist, doctors, scentist, etc. to prepare for go to university for their future careerto get extra qualifications or get job right way.......


School of Business/School of Econmoic: 10th grade (16 years old) same as Secondary school but different skills where they learn at school like tax officer, accountant, scentist, fianacing matter, etc etc for their future career then go to college.... or get job right way to get extra qualifications or get job right way.......
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"For the male students there is a special year in Germany where they either have to join the Army for 10 months or if they refuse they have to work for social businesses for a year..."

Is that the same as a draft?

The German law change and improve now.
Before that, they must give their job up to join army for 18 months which its not right. They send them to mental hospital or old people home as carer if they dont want to join the Army for 18 months.

Now it change to 10 months:
They have to join the army for 10 months after finish their colleges/university instead of jobs. Alot of Germans choose to work for mental hospitials or old people home instead of go to Army. They are anti-war.

My sons already told me that he rather to work for mental hosptial or old people home instead of go Army.

Can everyone attend university if they pass an entrance exam?

Only Grammar school.

See my explain above.

Thank you for your patience with my questions.

Pleasure

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by Tamara
Why do you think Germany is different????

What you have written above sounds like the basic minimum anywhere for teachers!!!!





It is very hard to check these links since they were only posted after my post!!!!!

Unfortunately they don't answer the question raised about teacher qualifications.

Do you want to have another go?????

Okay, I will get the link where I responsed Reba's post to paste here later.

But I thought you know when you want to learn to become qualifed teacher skill then go to college. Like what Cheri said about "home educators" if you want your children homeschooling.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am glad to hear that Germany offer an English class for the Public School in Germany. English is very popular in this world. English language is very useful for the national people to speak and write.

My sons can communicate with your sons in English. They may willing learn how to speak Germany like that. Ich werde Sie ficken

It's really funny how you, Zesty and I joked each other with German languages during AIM chat. I never forget it! Ja, Du bist echt Sex verrückt! Deshalb mag ich Dich gern!!!! Ich will Dich nicht ficken, weil Du eine Frau bist.

topic back:

Yes, true the English is very popular in the world. Yes, it's good for my sons to learn English when they meet your sons.

I remember when we spend our month vacation in Australia to stay at Tamara and her family in 2000/01. My oldest son learn quickly from Tamara's family and also English atmosphere, too.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

For all ADers:

Suppose you are not satisfied with your child's government school. What would you do?

Would you move to another town?
Pick right place with good environment for children upbringing.

Would you put your child into a private or religious school?
Yes, I would put my children into a private school if I'm not happy with public school.

Would you home school?
No, I do not support homeschooling. See my reasons in my previous posts here.

Would you hire a tutor?
Yes, I would if we dont understand our sons's homework or my sons dont understand their homework well.

Would you campaign to establish a charter school in your neighborhood?
Would you ....?
I dont have experience like this. What exactly opinion what you want ask us?

What is your solution?

Well, I'm happy and satafisted with my sons's school education system.
If I dont agree then do something which I did twice before.

Anything?

 

[Reba]

Liebling)) answer
Yeah, I notice since I work for US army caserne that US only have elementary, high and Rainbow school for US children...

In U.S. we have elementary, middle/junior high, and high school (secondary school).

What is "Rainbow" school?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

In U.S. we have elementary, middle/junior high, and high school (secondary school).

What is "Rainbow" school?

this is American word "Rainbow school" because I work to handle the utilities bill to pay off to US government housing, schools, etc where US soliders and families live. I have the list like this: It written:

elementary
high school
rainbow school , that´s what I ask you about. If you dont know then I have to ask my co-worker tomorrow.

they have only 3 schools for US children where I work.

 

[Angel]

In my own opinion, it really up to the parent themselves, if they rather to send their children to public or private schools or just homeschooling them, it make no difference what they do by rasing their children in a way they want them to be raised so, I see no problem with parents homeschooling their children....

 

[Reba]

Liebling,

Is this the Rainbow school?

http://www.ansb-ems.eu.dodea.edu/index.htm

 

[Liebling:-)))]

In my own opinion, it really up to the parent themselves, if they rather to send their children to public or private schools or just homeschooling them, it make no difference what they do by rasing their children in a way they want them to be raised so, I see no problem with parents homeschooling their children....

Yes, I know.
I respect them.

We are only here to discuss over cons and pros between public schools and homeschooling.

Why they support homeschooler?
Why they dont support public school?

I explain why I dont support homeschoolers.
they explain why they support homeschoolers........

Everyone ask for the opinions.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling,

Is this the Rainbow school?

http://www.ansb-ems.eu.dodea.edu/index.htm

Exactly!

US army caserne in Katterbach, where I work.

 

[Reba]

Exactly!

US army caserne in Katterbach, where I work.

Good. Now I understand.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling,

Is this the Rainbow school?

http://www.ansb-ems.eu.dodea.edu/index.htm

For your information:

It's not only one but more...

You can see list of Rainbow school
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=rainbow+school&btnG=Suche&meta=

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by Tamara
Why do you think Germany is different????

What you have written above sounds like the basic minimum anywhere for teachers!!!!





It is very hard to check these links since they were only posted after my post!!!!!

Unfortunately they don't answer the question raised about teacher qualifications.

Do you want to have another go?????

Here:


Teacher and Paraprofessional Quality

http://www.nea.org/esea/eseateach.html#all


Qualified teacher then you will see everything in google where I link for you to see.

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=qualified+teacher&spell=1



Other link in next post.