Father Held Daughter in Cellar for 24 Years

Update

The Prosecutors want to see him stay in jail rest of his life and against that monster´s lawyer...

I hope the porescutors will convince the judge and Experts.





Just let you know that I won´t be here on the online until next Tuesday. We go away for long weekends visit my hubby at Spa resort today and will stay there until Tuesday.
 
The Prosecutors want to see him stay in jail rest of his life and against that monster´s lawyer...

I hope the porescutors will convince the judge and Experts.

Me too! Wish he can get sent to Siberian Prison

Just let you know that I won´t be here on the online until next Tuesday. We go away for long weekends visit my hubby at Spa resort today and will stay there until Tuesday.
have a good trip! :bye:
 
Oh Lieb, that would be AWESOME!!!!
Maybe this will help Europe revamp its attitudes towards long prison sentances.
A person of high intelligence and normal life with normal behavior in public but enjoys killing/torturing person... like Hannibal Lecter. is that mental illness too? I'm just asking you for clarification.
Yes, that is mental illness. As a matter of fact, most sociopaths aren't visabely "obviously" crazy. Many if not most of them can hide behind a facade of normality.

It wasn't incest at first. He raped the child
Ummmm, it's incest no matter HOW old the person is! It's incest if a father rapes his daughter!

In our culture and Europe - having sex with a little girl is a heinous crime but not in "third world country" or countries like Afghanistan. It's a common practice. but still sick...
Any cites for that? Child-adult sex is illegal EVERYWHERE.
 
Ummmm, it's incest no matter HOW old the person is! It's incest if a father rapes his daughter!
oh I must be mistaken then... I didn't want to read any further. It was too sickening for me to continue reading. I just did another quick glimpse again... :barf: I thought that girl was kidnapped somewhere and over years - that girl had babies and then father raped that daughter. I got it mixed up but it's too repulsive. gota delete it out of my memory. and now.... this sick pedophile wanted by Interpol just got arrested recently... lives 20 min away from me

Any cites for that? Child-adult sex is illegal EVERYWHERE.
I guess it depends on what age constitutes as adult in each country. In India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal, child marriage is accepted and considered the best method to procure girls for prostitution. But having sex with age 13-15 is still illegal to me, no matter where you live. :pissed: SICKO!
 
interesting what you just said. good point. Austria's culture is also part of Westerner culture. After all - Americans are European descendants. It was said that "Westerner" is a loosely-used term to describe modern Anglo-Saxon culture covering both American and European.


A person of high intelligence and normal life with normal behavior in public but enjoys killing/torturing person... like Hannibal Lecter. is that mental illness too? :Ohno: I'm just asking you for clarification.


It wasn't incest at first. He raped the child and then that child became a woman, gave births, and then raped them too... sick.... sick.... vile... I'm gona vomit and then I'm gona pay him a visit.

In our culture and Europe - having sex with a little girl is a heinous crime but not in "third world country" or countries like Afghanistan. It's a common practice. but still sick.....

Yes, that is a mental illness. And sex with your own child is incest, no matter the age. It goes beyond pedophelia.
 
I agree with many of u...it makes me sick too but really sad at the same time cuz those children are going to be scarred by this nightmare for a long time, if not forever.
 
shel, yes I know. He really needs to be punished severely.
In India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal, child marriage is accepted and considered the best method to procure girls for prostitution. But having sex with age 13-15 is still illegal to me, no matter where you live.
Yes, but that's more.......teen marriage, rather then child marriage. It's more of a grey area. I mean I agree. Most younger teens don't really have the mauturity to handle an intergenerational relationship. Most males seeking a younger teen intergenerational realtionship are taking advantage of the naivety of young teens.
NO country in the world accepts pedophillia. Yes, there's somewhat of a grey area in ebophllia (love of teens) heck, just look at all the porn that's all "eeee look at these TEENS"
 
Exclusive: Dungeon girl Elisabeth Fritzl first words revealed - Sunday Mirror

First words tearful Elisabeth said during reunion with her sister She tells family that all she longs for now is normal life with children

Dungeon victim Elisabeth Fritzl, the woman caged for 24 years by her rapist father, has told her family: "I never want to see his face again."

Elisabeth - who gave birth to seven of depraved Josef Fritzl's children - fell into her mother Rosemarie's arms when she was finally released and said: "I can't believe I'm free - is it really you?"

Weeping and clinging to her mother, Elisabeth told her: "I can't believe I'm out. I didn't think I would ever see you again. It's all too much for me. I don't ever want to see him again."

When she met the three children who were taken away from her in the dungeon to live a normal life upstairs, she held them close to her, stroked their faces and said: "My babies. You are so beautiful."

Her sister Gabriele Helm, speaking for the first time, revealed Elisabeth's dramatic first words.

Gabriele, 36, told how she broke down when she met her sister after she was freed from the windowless dungeon beneath her family home in Amstetten, Austria.

Elisabeth, now 42, vanished when she was 18. Warped Fritzl told his family she had run away to join a cult. Gabriele, who is undergoing therapy after the revelations, said: "None of us can believe how normal Elisabeth seems. She is healthy and very chatty and doing very well.

"Every day she gets a bit stronger. I can't say what the family is going through. It's more than anyone can believe. It has devastated us.

"We are working together to support Elisabeth. She is overjoyed to see her children. She told them they were beautiful and she is spending all the time getting to know them."

The family say she now longs to feel rain on her skin after her long captivity. But experts warned it may be months before Elisabeth and the dungeon children can be released from the clinic where they are receiving specialist treatment.

She is being cared for in a darkened flat with five of her children and her mum. Kerstin, 19, is still critically ill in a separate hospital in an induced coma.

They spend their time watching Disney DVDs and have been allowed to see letters of support from all over the world.

Elisabeth and her youngest son Felix, five, have to wear dark glasses because their eyes are so sensitive to light. But while Elisabeth says she can never come face-to-face with the monster who raped and abused her for years, sources close to the family said she still loved her father in a twisted version of the Stockholm syndrome, where hostages come to identify with their captors.

Her lawyer Christoph Herbst said: "Elisabeth is very happy to be re-discovering the world. She is very keen to go outside and feel the rain on her skin. But it is important for them to adjust slowly.

"For now they just talk to each other. But Elisabeth and her children who lived in the cellar have no concept of time and of the future. Some people who hear the story think Elisabeth is like something from a horror film. But rumours that she has no teeth and cannot talk are not true. If you met her you would not realise what she has been through, as she seems just like every normal person.

"She tells her family that all she longs for is a normal life - or as normal a life as they can get. That's her only wish."

Life is also difficult for the three children who were living upstairs because they are now in darkness at the clinic.

Mr Herbst said: "But they are all happy and there is a lot of laughter, which you might not expect. Felix makes everyone laugh. They are teaching him to run because inside the cellar he could not run.

"It is really brilliant how Elisabeth has reacted to the outside world. They are all rather fine. Elisabeth is really an impressive person. She is very strong. She's happy now for the first time."

Local priest Peter Boesendorfer said: "No one can believe how normal she appears but I suspect it hasn't really hit her yet."

Rosemarie is still reeling over what happened to her daughter. Frank Polzer, the officer in charge, said: "When she found out her daughter was in the cellar she had a nervous breakdown."

Prosecutor Gerhard Sedlacek said they were gathering evidence to charge Fritzl with murder - he incinerated a baby who died after being born in the cellar.

THE HERO DOC'S STORY

The doctor who blew the whistle on Fritzl has spoken for the first time - to reveal how he saw through the monster's web of lies.

Dr Albert Reiter refused to believe Fritzl's explanation when he took his critically-ill granddaughter Kerstin to hospital.

He told how Fritzl had claimed that he had found the girl on his doorstep. He said that she had been abandoned by her mother who was part of a bizarre sect.

"I did not like his tone and something did not seem right," said Dr Reiter.

"What made me particularly suspicious was that he did not seem to think it important to answer any of my questions, simply demanding we make Kerstin better so that he could take her away again."

The Austrian medic launched a campaign to track down Kerstin's mother Elisabeth - which eventually revealed the shocking truth that she had been held in a cellar for 24 years and that her children had been fathered by her rapist dad Fritzl.

Dr Reiter said: "I am amazed this all finally came out. I obviously had no idea this would be the end result - who could have predicted that - but I'm glad I followed my instincts." He revealed that on Saturday April 19 he received the emergency phone call which would spark the beginning of the end for Fritzl.

He was told that a critically-ill teenage girl had been brought unconscious into the hospital by her grandfather.

Dr Reiter noticed that Kerstin was deathly pale, not just from her illness but with an unnatural pallor that suggested something more sinister. A closer examination revealed that the teenager had almost no teeth, and Dr Reiter found a secret letter written by Elisabeth stashed in the girl's clothing.

He realised it did not tally with what Fritzl had told him about how her mother had abandoned the sick girl.

He said: "I could not believe that the mother of a seriously ill 19-year-old girl would simply load her off at the hospital and disappear. From the tone of the letter the mum had sent it was clear that she cared very deeply for her child."

As Kerstin's condition worsened, the concerned doctor launched a media appeal for the mother to come forward.

"I was certain of only one thing, that the mother was the only one that could help," he said. "I contacted the grandfather again, and told him we desperately needed to speak to the mother. I was convinced she had information that was the key to the mystery illness. I could not understand why he was so reluctant to help, but he did agree."

The doctor asked the hospital's public relations department to put out an appeal to the local media and even got Fritzl to provide a photograph of Elisabeth from before she went missing.

Dr Reiter also gave out his personal mobile number so that anyone with information could get in touch.

When journalists arrived at Fritzl's house expecting his co-operation in the appeal, they were stunned to be turned away.

One said: "I was shocked. Instead of being the concerned father I expected, he told me to clear off. He was shouting and swearing and really furious.

"He said he had wanted nothing to do with the appeal, but that the 'bloody doctor' had forced him into it."

Special police officers were dispatched to Vienna in a desperate bid to track down Elisabeth. But she was just a few miles away - watching the evening news from her dungeon.

She begged Fritzl to let her go to her daughter. He agreed only on condition she did not betray him. But worried that his evil regime would be revealed, Fritzl called ahead to the doctor and said: "Elisabeth has returned. I am bringing her to the hospital and she wants to see her daughter.

"We do not want any trouble - do not call the police."

But the suspicious doctor immediately did call the police, and when Fritzl led disoriented Elisabeth into the hospital to see Kerstin, they were waiting for him.

In dramatic scenes, officers swooped, handcuffed him and forced him into a police car while a separate team took Elisabeth off to safety.

Only after two hours of careful persuasion did she tell them her incredible story.

The following day police frogmarched Fritzl to his house where he was forced to show them the cellar.

Kerstin is still in an induced coma. The biggest fear now is that a lack of oxygen caused by severe cramps may have led to brain damage.

Doctors are giving her time to regain her physical strength before they try to wake her.
 
Elisabeth must be a VERY strong woman if she could stand severe isolation, and almost constant attacks. Thank God her Stockholm Syndrome isn't as severe as some. I think actually what "Stockhom Syndrome" she does have is prolly the remainents of whatever love she once had for her father.
All I can say is that I really do hope that when Josef FINALLY dies, he'll go to HELL. Heck....maybe a good idea might be to have whatever Austria's version of the CIA is, take Josef to a country where torture laws are lax, and punish him that way. Ask HIM how HE likes being hurt.
jillo, I know generally sociopaths don't know that their evil actions are wrong. However, Josef has indicated that he knew that raping and imprisoning his daughter was wrong. Doesn't that argue against him being a sociopath?
 
Elisabeth must be a VERY strong woman if she could stand severe isolation, and almost constant attacks. Thank God her Stockholm Syndrome isn't as severe as some. I think actually what "Stockhom Syndrome" she does have is prolly the remainents of whatever love she once had for her father.
All I can say is that I really do hope that when Josef FINALLY dies, he'll go to HELL. Heck....maybe a good idea might be to have whatever Austria's version of the CIA is, take Josef to a country where torture laws are lax, and punish him that way. Ask HIM how HE likes being hurt.
jillo, I know generally sociopaths don't know that their evil actions are wrong. However, Josef has indicated that he knew that raping and imprisoning his daughter was wrong. Doesn't that argue against him being a sociopath?

No. His admitting his actions were wrong were not the result of conscious, but of telling the police what they wanted to hear in an attempt to gain their favor so that he would be in a better position to manipulate.
 
don't you mean mistook his hat for a wife???? jk
ahhh...fact that he elaboratly hid them for so many years shows he knows it was wrong....criminally insane don't know right from wrong....they don't hide things.
 
I find it hard to believe that he was insane when he did this.

He knew what he was doing. He did it for many years. He carefully planned it out, carefully built his secret "lair", straightforwardly lied to his wife about "finding" these kids for adoption, etc.

If he did this to a group of different kids and acknowledged that he didn't know what he was doing, then I'd say he was insane... but to plan everything out in such detail for such a long time obviously shows that he DID know what he was doing.
 
I agree with Vampy. Why else would he have made a 'nuclear bunker'? Austria wasn't a major player in the nuclear arms race at the time the cellar was constructed.

This guy deliberately planned this out, he knew it was wrong. He's a psychopath, but not insane. He needs to be locked up for life, in a dark, moldy cell and denied even the most basic medical care.
 
I think I'm not gona read this thread anymore. it's just too repulsive and I know most prisons around the world would love to meet him. (mind you - most prisoners despise pedophiles and they shank'em)
 
Agree with jiro that this story is exceedingly repulsive.....I don't use the word repulsive much but this one just turns my stomach.
Think I'll try and avoid the story as we've seen enough of it.
 
I find it hard to believe that he was insane when he did this.

He knew what he was doing. He did it for many years. He carefully planned it out, carefully built his secret "lair", straightforwardly lied to his wife about "finding" these kids for adoption, etc.

If he did this to a group of different kids and acknowledged that he didn't know what he was doing, then I'd say he was insane... but to plan everything out in such detail for such a long time obviously shows that he DID know what he was doing.

That is exactly what qualifies his behavior as deviant. He knew it was wrong,a nd rather than abide by that which is right, which is what the majority of us do, he decided that his needs and desires were more important that obeying the law, and considered himself to be so superior as to be above the law. I"m sure he also considered that he was so much more intelligent than everyone else that he would be able to keep up this charade for as long as he chose to. It is these distorted thought patterns that make him diagnosable.
 
The insanity plea also is on a continuum. Criminally insane does not necessarily mean that the individual doesn't know right from wrong. Once could be considered criminally insane because a predisposing mental disorder allows them to have the thought patterns that justify committing atrocious acts against others. It isn't that they don't know right from worng, but that they consider their wrongs to be justified.
 
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