Another, "I didn't do it!"

[Cheetah]

I think the blinders are on the ones who are assuming Cain is guilty of anything when no facts have been presented at all.

They simply saw him as a threat when e led in the polls (coincidentally, when the allegations came out).

Grammarian



I will be sure to leave intentional spelling errors so you can continue thinking you are bright.

ummm, that was not coincidental at all. He shot up in the polls BECAUSE of the barrage of news reports on the allegations. This has happened to many politicians on both sides. This is simply name recognition. Cain hasn't done anything to earn the surge in the polls yet.

 

[jillio]

To be fair Cain admitted he didn't go to political correctness school.

We aren't talking about him being able to cover over his basic gender prejudice and lack of respect for women by using PC language. We are talking about the basic attitudes he holds. If he had respect for women, he wouldn't have to worry about hiding behind PC language.:roll:

 

[Steinhauer]

Where were these polls 15 years ago, when the first "severance packages" were delivered? I could care less if he is the top candidate, but think a bit here. Do you really want this guy for your GOP ticket? He is making it look like four more years for Obama. Just because he does well in the polls does not make him electable. I actually pity the GOP right now. Obama is doing nothing to be re-elected. The GOP is doing all the work for him.

I am not trying to appear intelligent. It is just me. Simple Christian guy. Middle of road. Popeye said it best: "I am what I am." Accept your situation with grace.

Hmmm ... someone claiming to be brighter than me is asking me to think .... oh, pretty please, can I ask the spelling bee wiz onelastquestion? I prmise to leave spaces between my lettersfrom now on if you can answer thisone ...

What is the connection between Sheila O'Grady and David Axelrod and Cain's accusers?

Seems you want to wrap Obama in a purty red ribbon.

Within 24 hours of Bialek's accusations, her friends came forward to claim she isagold digger and liar. Well, court records also indicate that as well.

I am quite sure you ant Cain's "luster" removed - your motives are blatantly clear as to why.

 

[jillio]

Here is the opinion peice I mentioned earlier concerning settlements:

Cain would win in court, but this is politics - CNN.com



You said it right in the first sentence. OPINION piece. Means nothing. You know what they say about opinions, don't you?









The article goes on to explain that Herman Cain has not lied:



So it is certainly plausible that Herman Cain did not even know the details.

You said it right in the first sentence. OPINION piece. Means nothing. You know what they say about opinions, don't you?

 

[Cheetah]

Hmmm ... someone claiming to be brighter than me is asking me to think .... oh, pretty please, can I ask the spelling bee wiz onelastquestion? I prmise to leave spaces between my lettersfrom now on if you can answer thisone ...

What is the connection between Sheila O'Grady and David Axelrod and Cain's accusers?

Seems you want to wrap Obama in a purty red ribbon.

Within 24 hours of Bialek's accusations, her friends came forward to claim she isagold digger and liar. Well, court records also indicate that as well.

I am quite sure you ant Cain's "luster" removed - your motives are blatantly clear as to why.

wow, somebody must have done a number on you... I'm not seeing a cohesive argument here.

 

[Steinhauer]

Oh .... and whatever happened to Blair Hull?

Its all coming out now ....

 

[Steinhauer]

wow, somebody must have done a number on you... I'm not seeing a cohesive argument here.

Of course you wouldn't - you actually have to be able to connect dots to do that. :roll:

 

[Steinhauer]

You said it right in the first sentence. OPINION piece. Means nothing. You know what they say about opinions, don't you?

Yes, Judges have **opinions** too. So do senior trial lawyers

So do psychologists btw - and doctors ....

 

[jillio]

Do you mind while I shred this to pieces for you?

The only allegations against Cain are from when he was the President of the National Restaurant Association. Cain has been in numerous other positions. Where are the allegations from his other employers and organizations? Why are all of the allegations coming from Chicago and within a span of 2 and a half years?

If he is a such a monster as you are trying to paint him out to be, there MUST be other allegations out there from other employers? Or, is he a con man too?

Why would one of the accusers also have attempted to "settle" for a significant amount of money at a later job for the exact same complaint she filed against Cain? Why is she claiming now, 15 years later, that she is not doing this for the money? Why would she claim she would come out publicly if only Cain wasn't holding the confidentiality agreement over head (when it was NOT cain who did this, he never consented to the agreement and signed no documents). When the NRA released her from liability from the confidential agreement, why would she not discuss her other allegation where she demanded significant money, but dropped the charges because in her own words "It was minor"? Why would she then declare it was "confidential"?

In Bialek's situation, why is David Axelrod listed as an attorney in her legal finance disputes? Are there actually two David Axelrod's practicing law in Chicago? Why would someone who was forced to pay child support for Bialek's son file a paternity suit claiming he was not the father (and won the case)?

So, in all the years of Cain's career, the only allegations against him were from his time spent in Chicago ....

I am sure there are some spelling errors you can jump on now ... :roll:

The other allegations just haven't hit the news yet. Or his power didn't go to his head until he became head of NRA. Plenty of reasons.

Bialek's banckruptcy and the paternity of her child are not relevant to the claims against Cain. Just another attempt to blame the victim. Disgusting behavior.

 

[Steinhauer]

Hull's biggest mistake isn't in divorce file - chicagotribune.com


His entire family swore under oath he had never acted violently - but, it was too late, Obama already won and his file was somehow suspiciously leaked to the press when Obama was down in the polls.

Gutter politics.

CAIN for 2012!

 

[jillio]

Yes, Judges have **opinions** too. So do senior trial lawyers

So do psychologists btw - and doctors ....

Difference being, ours are informed opinions.

 

[jillio]

Hull's biggest mistake isn't in divorce file - chicagotribune.com


His entire family swore under oath he had never acted violently - but, it was too late, Obama already won and his file was somehow suspiciously leaked to the press when Obama was down in the polls.

Gutter politics.

CAIN for 2012!

In your dreams.

 

[saywhatkid]

Hmmm ... someone claiming to be brighter than me is asking me to think .... oh, pretty please, can I ask the spelling bee wiz onelastquestion? I prmise to leave spaces between my lettersfrom now on if you can answer thisone ...

What is the connection between Sheila O'Grady and David Axelrod and Cain's accusers?

Seems you want to wrap Obama in a purty red ribbon.

Within 24 hours of Bialek's accusations, her friends came forward to claim she isagold digger and liar. Well, court records also indicate that as well.

I am quite sure you ant Cain's "luster" removed - your motives are blatantly clear as to why.

I want to have to decide between two respectable candidates. Right now, my choices are looking like:

• Obama, who has failed to lead us out of the mess
• Cain, with no experience, politically incorrect, and several "settlements" paid out

OK, find the Obama love I am showing. I have stated several times, IN THIS THREAD ALONE, that I don't like him. You are trying to convince the crowd that local hero Cain, who worked his way up from delivery to cook to owner to political guru, or whatever, should garner votes, regardless of the things I listed. Regardless of these allegations. None of it matters as much as what JFK did. That GOP has the answer, and it is Cain. Good luck with that.

Accept the limits of your education. Be angry if you must. You should have gotten more.

 

[jillio]

Of course you wouldn't - you actually have to be able to connect dots to do that. :roll:

You haven't presented any dots.

 

[jillio]

Oh .... and whatever happened to Blair Hull?

Its all coming out now ....

What does that have to do with Cain being a womanizer with 5 women accusing him of sexual harrassement?

I'll answer that question: NOTHIING.

You keep trying to distract from Cain by trying to point to someone else's guilt. That is known as a strawman. The only way you can look away from what Cain is accused of doing is to get people to look in another direction.

 

[saywhatkid]

What does that have to do with Cain being a womanizer with 5 women accusing him of sexual harrassement?

I'll answer that question: NOTHIING.

You keep trying to distract from Cain by trying to point to someone else's guilt. That is known as a strawman. The only way you can look away from what Cain is accused of doing is to get people to look in another direction.

The only direction I am looking is....sadly....down. What a world.

 

[saywhatkid]

Yes, Judges have **opinions** too.

They also have looped belts and daughters with welts.

 

[Cheetah]

Hull's biggest mistake isn't in divorce file - chicagotribune.com


His entire family swore under oath he had never acted violently - but, it was too late, Obama already won and his file was somehow suspiciously leaked to the press when Obama was down in the polls.

Gutter politics.

CAIN for 2012!

I don't see anywhere in the article you cited about Hull's big secret being leaked. It clearly stated that he released the papers under public pressure. This was his choice and his decision (based on the article). I however have little knowledge of this and is really just a distraction from the OP topic anyway. Plus you are comparing an event where allegations are making someone rise in the polls with an event where allegations made someone fall in the polls. Not a very convincing argument.

 

[Cheetah]

I think we can all agree that politics can be very brutal. No one here is saying that it's a fair process. Every candidate is tested in the eyes of the public and yes, unfair/untrue allegations do surface. Usually these are debunked quickly and sometimes they sink a candidate. We do judge the candidates based on news reports and trends we see both in the news and what the candidates themselves are saying. Cain has some very bad publicity and it shows a trend (in conjuncture with what he has already said and apologized for) that many in the public have come to accept as most likely the truth. I call this trial by fire and unfortunately some good candidates do get burnt.

I do not see Cain as a good candidate, I see him as having deserved getting burned, he did this to himself.

 

[Reba]

...Bialek's banckruptcy and the paternity of her child are not relevant to the claims against Cain. Just another attempt to blame the victim. Disgusting behavior.

Blaming a victim, and discrediting an alleged victim are two different things.

Blaming a victim (which is wrong to do) can only happen after it's been proven that there was a crime and victim.

Discrediting an alleged victim (where a crime has not yet been proven) happens when trying to defend an accused by downplaying the veracity of the accuser's testimony.

Blaming a victim is an admission by the perp that a crime happened but that the victim "deserved" whatever happened.

That's not happened in the Cain case.