God Versus Satan

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.... God didn't tell them that they will be expect to kick out of the garden if they disobey his rule.
God told them that they would DIE if they disobeyed. DEATH isn't a serious enough warning?

OIC; death isn't as serious as getting grounded.

I need to get out of this rabbit hole; help me, Alice.
 
Liebling,
You keep defend your beliefs based on your family including your children as an example what God should be. Remind yourself here, that you're a sinner, even your family are also sinners, God who is not. Because God is so much greater than we are, it's inappropriate for us to try to use our reason to evaluate whether God's actions or plans are bad or good. The first thing to keep in mind is that you're a sinner, so is your family, God who is without sin cannot be complete the same as you, and your rest of your family based on how you raise your boys. You live in a evil world, not in God's world which is heaven. Heaven is a place where there's no sins, where there's no disobedience. On earth there's a lot of sins, bad things happen. where people are cruel, some people inflict pain, suffering and torture on others, etc. because we live in a world where "evil exists".

Of course I know and accept the fact that my family & I are sinners. So? We are not angry and blame God or Eve&Adam but accept my knowledge of the history how and why etc that it´s God who is the responsible for create this earth like this and know it will happen to this earth after create Adam & Eve... :) He KNEW and let it happen. You refused to see it and kept say that God gave them free choice/will and still blame Eve & Adam. I don´t beleive in evil. It makes no sense.

Again, yes we are sinners but we have good knowledge what wrong and right. We don´t kill the people and don´t commit the crimes. :) Of course God is not sin because it´s him who create everything in this earth and can do with the people, he create and kill what he wants. God already know that most of us would sin and go to hell, so why bother? :roll:

How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?

Again, we compared the kind of life what we have with the bible ... I see both side but you see one side that´s because God is not sin... :roll:

It´s sad that God don´t want to see that the people are good and helpful to anywhere but expect them beleive in only him, him, him... If good people don´t beleive in him then go hell... Is God loving and heart? :roll:




Some people are ignorant of God's "big picture", His reason of laws, God who is delight in justice and righteousness does not mean or make God a murder, or wrong for what he does.

Some people are ignorant and don´t want to see that God kill the people including babies, toddlers, children, etc. but give God right for punish them because they are bad people or because their parents are bad people...

Just like when you committed a crime, justice will be serve for the crime you committed, is that wrong? If you were sent to death row, awaiting to be execution, would you call that murder for putting you to death for the crime you committed? I don't believe it as a murder, I believe in justice the same way God would see it. ;)

We are expect to know what kind of punishment we will receive if we commit the crimes accord the law. God didn´t warn them that they will kick out of the garden if they commit the crimes or whatever. This is a difference.
 
Problem with so call "logic", there is "logic" in both side. Like human, the devil says the same to Eve which tempted Eve, " Surely you won't die, if you eat that fruit, you will be like God...." Does that sounds familiar in today's human being? Obvious, yes. Satan throws at us to put in the "blame game". See what God did, and look, here where the logic is, and "make sense", as by putting the negative views of God. And have no clue why God did this and overlook behind it which God already see the harmful that can get to people, God tried/tries to prevent it, but people go ahead with it, and what people do? Blame God. Blinded the whole picture/message what God is planning for people, yet, blaming God.

I noticed that the believers are an ignorant but busy to be angry and blame Eve&Adam or Satan... Blame blame blame ... and treat God differently that´s because he is no sin... :roll:

Accord my knowledge, who create the tree of knowledge to test Eve & Adam in first place when he KNOW it is going to happen to them... I accept the fact that it´s his responsible for not protect his creation children. That´s how we all got sinners... I´m not angry and bitter over that but accept my knowledge and know what right and wrong... I acheive to cope my family with my own strength, not do what the bible says and blame anyone, period.
 
God told them that they would DIE if they disobeyed. DEATH isn't a serious enough warning?

OIC; death isn't as serious as getting grounded.

I need to get out of this rabbit hole; help me, Alice.

*sigh* Why should I repeat...

Satan convinced them what God´s word mean is because God just said "you would be die"... Satan convinced them full what it is about... Unfortunlately Satan use Eve and ADam´s naive which is too easy for him to make them to beleive him... They are newbies and has too little knowledge what it is about...

I am same as Satan who explain my children full and easy to make them see the logic that it´s very danger when they talk to stranger and what it is about...

If you can´t see it then I can´t help you...
 
Jesus is the one who went through so much more than anyone, He's who willing to suffered and died a vicarious death in order to pay for our sins, who would do something like that for us? He died for you, Why not you live for him instead of judging him. When I said "judging" I mean God, because Jesus is God.


Watch the movie "Passion of Christ" feel the pains Jesus felt that day, he did it all for us, us sinners. It's sad that some people just don't want to believe it, or don't care. :(

No, Jesus is son of God, not God.

God let Jesus suffer like this which is really sad.

We are sad for only Jesus.
 
No, Jesus is son of God, not God.

I believe Jesus is God and he is ;) Remember, You believe in a different religious or yourself. ;)

God let Jesus suffer like this which is really sad.

We are sad for only Jesus.

It is important not be confused. God did not create Jesus. Jesus is God, Jesus proved that he is God by doing many things that only God could do. These are called miracles. He made dead people alive, He walked across a great lake, He made blind eyes see perfectly again and He healed deadly diseases with a word.
 
I noticed that the believers are an ignorant but busy to be angry and blame Eve&Adam or Satan... Blame blame blame ... and treat God differently that´s because he is no sin... :roll:
You've done better? You eventually blamed God accuse him of being a murder. :nono:
 
I believe Jesus is God and he is ;) Remember, You believe in a different religious or yourself. ;)

All religious except Christianity who beleive that Jesus is God. ;)

It is important not be confused. God did not create Jesus. Jesus is God, Jesus proved that he is God by doing many things that only God could do. These are called miracles. He made dead people alive, He walked across a great lake, He made blind eyes see perfectly again and He healed deadly diseases with a word.

Yes, it´s God who gave Mary a son. Jesus is God´s son.

Accord the bibles, Jesus didn´t say that he is God but his father. Jesus told his mother Mary when she is worried and look for him... "Why did you have to look for me?" "Didn´t you know that I had to be in house of my Father?".... He do not need to pray when he knows that he is God then? but he pray which mean he know his father is in heaven.
 
You've done better? You eventually blamed God accuse him of being a murder. :nono:

Nope, I only said what the bible written. Do I am bitter and angry and blame God for that? No but accept the fact that God is the responsible and accept the fact that God is a murderer because he killed the people including babies, toddlers, children..... How could I ignore or deny when I know that God killed the people? No! I treat everyone who killed the people including babies, toddlers, children..... equal, no matter what.
 
Of course I know and accept the fact that my family & I are sinners. So? We are not angry and blame God or Eve&Adam but accept my knowledge of the history how and why etc that it´s God who is the responsible for create this earth like this and know it will happen to this earth after create Adam & Eve... :) He KNEW and let it happen. You refused to see it and kept say that God gave them free choice/will and still blame Eve & Adam. I don´t beleive in evil. It makes no sense.
It goes the other way around hun, It's you that don't understand God's law from the begin he created this universe. God experienced the same temptations that we feel when he was Jesus, what did God do? He ignored every temptations that came to him, he refused to sin. He has always remained pure and perfect, while he was in the body of Jesus. ;)

Again, yes we are sinners but we have good knowledge what wrong and right. We don´t kill the people and don´t commit the crimes. :)
It doesn't always mean that you have to committed a crime to be guilty of God's laws, You've lied I'm sure once in your lifetime, You've stole once in your lifetime, You've done just about some things most people have already done themselves. God did not kill anyone, it's the people who refused to obey God, it's the people who thinks of their own self instead of listening to God, who's the creator of all. ;)


How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?
Adam and Eve is the one who brought evil in the world where we are living in right now, today, tomorrow, a year a month from now until our dying days. ;)

Again, we compared the kind of life what we have with the bible ... I see both side but you see one side that´s because God is not sin... :roll:
I live for Jesus, because Jesus (God) is the greatest love that anyone can ever image, Jesus had the power to stop their torture and taunting the day he die on the cross, but he did not, why? He did this for us, because he loves us. Only he could pay the price for our sins. Only he could save us from the punishment we deserve. How can I deny his love for me? That's the person I'll look up to because no greatest love beats anything like this. ;)

It´s sad that God don´t want to see that the people are good and helpful to anywhere but expect them beleive in only him, him, him... If good people don´t beleive in him then go hell... Is God loving and heart? :roll:
How do u know what's in the heart of all people? You can't even read their hearts, You cannot even read their minds. They might tell you, "Oh I'm a good person, I deserved to go to heaven" We don't know that if that person is a good person or not, Only God knows everything about each one of us, because he sees how we sins, he sees what's in our heart, and in our minds. He has that right to judge anyone because he created us ;)
 
All religious except Christianity who beleive that Jesus is God.
And the Christians people were with Jesus when Jesus was on earth, and They believe Jesus is God, and that's why we believe Jesus is God.



Yes, it´s God who gave Mary a son. Jesus is God´s son.

Accord the bibles, Jesus didn´t say that he is God but his father. Jesus told his mother Mary when she is worried and look for him... "Why did you have to look for me?" "Didn´t you know that I had to be in house of my Father?".... He do not need to pray when he knows that he is God then? but he pray which mean he know his father is in heaven.
Again, Jesus and God are the same, the father, the son, the Holy Spirit (all in one) Jesus was only showing others how to pray, help us in an extremely important way. God went into this human body that grew inside of Mary. The baby was born and grew into a man. Big differences between him and every man on earth, Jesus was sinless. We humans are full of sin. How can Jesus be human like us? Remember God said at the begin, after Eve and Adam sinned, all human will be sinners, if Jesus was a human wouldn't he be a sinner too? But he is not human like us, he had a Holy Spirit inside his body, which is God. It's not hard to figured it out. ;)
 
Lieblin' ~

I have a question I would like to ask you. HOW do you EXPLAIN that Mary conceived with Jesus WITHOUT havin' SEX ?

Joseph did NOT give her pregnant with Jesus, right ? So, how do you explain ?
 
... No! I treat everyone who killed the people including babies, toddlers, children...equal, no matter what.
When God allowed large groups of people to die, He didn't enjoy it or do it for "personal" reasons. He did what was best for His people during specific times, for specific eternal reasons. Our human perspective is limited in scope and time. It's very hard for us to understand and accept, especially as modern people.

Suppose a tribe wanted to destroy the Israelites. All the men of that tribe attack the Israelites. God provides protection for the Israelites and allows them to defeat all the enemy men. During those days, there were no POW camps; all the enemy had to be killed or made slaves. They couldn't be allowed to go free because they would attack again. The conquering tribe couldn't take care of many prisoners. They had to kill the ones that they could. (Not just the Israelites did that; that was common practice all over the world at that time.)

What happened to the widows and orphans of that tribe? They could be left to struggle and starve, or some could be taken for slaves. Is that better than quickly killing them?

It sounds awful to us, and it's not necessary to use that way now. It was a different culture and time.

Also, God knew which little ones would grow up to become unbelieving killers against the Jews. It was more merciful for Him to let them die young and go to Heaven, then to allow them to grow up as heathens, trying to kill all the Jews, and dying as adult sinners (going to Hell).

I'm explaining this in a very broad, simple way. There's not enough space or time here to give you a full ancient history and Bible lesson.

People can't know the future; God can. Many people use the example of Hitler. They say, suppose you traveled back in time, and you knew that baby Adolph would grow up some day to become an awful dictator and kill millions of Jews and other innocent people. Adolph's mom let you baby sit him, alone. You have a sharp knife. You know you can save the lives of millions of people if you kill baby Adolph. Would you kill that sweet-looking little baby?

What if you knew the future, and you knew a certain baby living now would someday grow up and murder your sons. Would you kill that baby now? Or would you just let the baby grow up and kill your sons?
 
No response from Liebling?...Holy Cow!
Maybe she finally comprehending/understanding
our Bible?

*runs and hides*...... :eek2:

hahaha...j/k...
 
Lieblin' ~

I have a question I would like to ask you. HOW do you EXPLAIN that Mary conceived with Jesus WITHOUT havin' SEX ?

Joseph did NOT give her pregnant with Jesus, right ? So, how do you explain ?
How do you know that Mary was a virgin?
 
Maybe Mary was drunk and completely forgot that she had sex with other man, happened she was pregnantized! She still never remember that she had sex and thought she was completely virgin.

I am just playing a joke :)
 
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