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femme Fatale said:
Don't forget to do us a favor and dispose of them properly! :thumb:

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But its fun to leave all those papers around!! Especially whrn people confuse them for their napkins.
 
markengland29 said:
Don't they have directions on how to use one? Most, if not all, have directions on how to use one if a life is at stake.
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The thing is, it's a liability for them to let anyone without that training to use the AED. If it is connected incorrectly, or injures the person causing anything and everything up to death, that's their liability. That's why I'm trying to understand why they'd let someone rush out (you) with their machine. I sure as hell wouldn't let someone who wasn't trained to use the AED run out of my place of business with it. :hmm: Even something as minor as having metal around the electrodes can cause serious injury. ( under-wire in bras for example ) Not to mention being trained to look and see if there is possibly a pace-maker in the person or god knows what. Just seems off... :hmm:
 
Mewtilation said:
The thing is, it's a liability for them to let anyone without that training to use the AED. If it is connected incorrectly, or injures the person causing anything and everything up to death, that's their liability. That's why I'm trying to understand why they'd let someone rush out (you) with their machine. I sure as hell wouldn't let someone who wasn't trained to use the AED run out of my place of business with it. :hmm: Even something as minor as having metal around the electrodes can cause serious injury. ( under-wire in bras for example ) Not to mention being trained to look and see if there is possibly a pace-maker in the person or god knows what. Just seems off... :hmm:
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I'd been wondering that, until I realized someone with medical training was already there, and was asking for one, cause from what I gathered the Fire Department ambulance was several miles away, and time was of essence. It took them nearly 20-25 minutes to get there. Don't remember if it was a doctor or a nurse, but it was someone. Could've been a police officer, too, because their cars are supposed to have them, but the details now are just a tad fuzzy-- was many years ago, but I'll never forget that young woman passed out on the ground and her life at stake.
 
markengland29 said:
I'd been wondering that, until I realized someone with medical training was already there, and was asking for one, cause from what I gathered the Fire Department ambulance was several miles away, and time was of essence. It took them nearly 20-25 minutes to get there. Don't remember if it was a doctor or a nurse, but it was someone. Could've been a police officer, too, because their cars are supposed to have them, but the details now are just a tad fuzzy-- was many years ago, but I'll never forget that young woman passed out on the ground and her life at stake.
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I call Double BS this time ... you said you had used one a few times not someone with medical training was asking for one ... and passed out on the ground is A LOT different than code blue ... I am Fire/Rescue 20+ years and it don't take that long for responders to get on the scene of a code requiring CPR/AED even if its county level ALS they'll run balls to the wall and get there way faster than that ...
 
ncff07 said:
I call Double BS this time ... you said you had used one a few times not someone with medical training was asking for one ... and passed out on the ground is A LOT different than code blue ... I am Fire/Rescue 20+ years and it don't take that long for responders to get on the scene of a code requiring CPR/AED even if its county level ALS they'll run balls to the wall and get there way faster than that ...
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Yes, I DID use it-- with assistance. I am sorry I forgot to mention that part-- like I said, the details are fuzzy. It was quite some time ago-- long before I moved to Rogers Park-- I don't even remember what year it was, but I KNOW it was before 2010. Now, as for Fire Department responses, it depends. I had one incident that a friend of mine passed out, and we called 911, and what ambulance shows up but the #7, which doesn't come from anywhere near here, and lives closer to downtown, so yes, it could take up to 20 minutes for one to respond. I had to wait for up to 10 minutes for it to show up.
 
Mewtilation said:
The thing is, it's a liability for them to let anyone without that training to use the AED. If it is connected incorrectly, or injures the person causing anything and everything up to death, that's their liability. That's why I'm trying to understand why they'd let someone rush out (you) with their machine. I sure as hell wouldn't let someone who wasn't trained to use the AED run out of my place of business with it. :hmm: Even something as minor as having metal around the electrodes can cause serious injury. ( under-wire in bras for example ) Not to mention being trained to look and see if there is possibly a pace-maker in the person or god knows what. Just seems off... :hmm:
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My background is in Pharmacology. I have performed CPR just one time. AED's are serious and like Mew says can cause serious injury even death. Everyone should know CPR but shocking someones heart, definitely needs to be done by a professional. You can't tell by looking at me, but I'm full of metal.
 
Angel1989 said:
My background is in Pharmacology. I have performed CPR just one time. AED's are serious and like Mew says can cause serious injury even death. Everyone should know CPR but shocking someones heart, definitely needs to be done by a professional. You can't tell by looking at me, but I'm full of metal.
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And that's why I asked for a medical professional from the crowd-- I didn't want to be held liable for something I might not know about. Someone came out of the crowd and began to do a quick check, which I am NOT trained to do-- and when the person said an AED was necessary, I asked if there was a pacemaker (I kept this in mind), and we checked for scars, and didn't see one, or anything to indicate there was one there, so we went ahead and got one, but it took some convincing the hotel that there was a medical professional already there (One of their staff actually had to verify this) before they let me go with it. Wowsers...... all the details coming back now.
 
Yeaaaaaaaaaah...... We get a Blue in the ER and it's an INSTANT panic fest! We're waiting there at the ambulance landing before they even get on property. I have a few friends in the FD and Paramedic side of things, and I'm pretty sure if they took 25 minutes they'd have all been fired! :laugh2: That's why they can run lights and stuff. :D

Forgetting details is a bit off.... I know if I was telling someone I ran in and grabbed this machine and read the manual to learn how to use it and THEN there was someone with medical training....that's an important detail. Again, just.... no. Completely different stories as ncff said.

I'm not going to sit here and call you out on every little detail you "forget" as the story is picked apart. All I'm saying is that you need to watch what things "you forget" in a story. A trained medical professional being there to assist you with an AED and its operation is a HELL of a lot different than you reading a "How to" or instruction manual and saving someone yourself, just for future reference.
 
markengland29 said:
And that's why I asked for a medical professional from the crowd-- I didn't want to be held liable for something I might not know about. Someone came out of the crowd and began to do a quick check, which I am NOT trained to do-- and when the person said an AED was necessary, I asked if there was a pacemaker (I kept this in mind), and we checked for scars, and didn't see one, or anything to indicate there was one there, so we went ahead and got one, but it took some convincing the hotel that there was a medical professional already there (One of their staff actually had to verify this) before they let me go with it. Wowsers...... all the details coming back now.
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So in the time that CPR was failing ( minutes I'm sure as it's required to attempt before an AED in the medical field ) and the time it took you to ask for a medical person in the crowd, ( How messed up you had to ask and they didn't run out on their own, I know I would have made myself known without being asked! ) and the time it took you to run in the hotel, convince them there was a medically trained person in the crowd and the time it took them to verify ( instead of using it themselves which if they have an AED they should be trained to do ) ( Also because I don't go carrying my hospital ID or credentials on me when I'm outside of work ) This person was still successfully resuscitated? They must have some magical angel over them or something because good lord...
 
It's getting deep in here I think I'll break out the hip waders ...
 
Mewtilation said:
Yeaaaaaaaaaah...... We get a Blue in the ER and it's an INSTANT panic fest! We're waiting there at the ambulance landing before they even get on property. I have a few friends in the FD and Paramedic side of things, and I'm pretty sure if they took 25 minutes they'd have all been fired! :laugh2: That's why they can run lights and stuff. :D

Forgetting details is a bit off.... I know if I was telling someone I ran in and grabbed this machine and read the manual to learn how to use it and THEN there was someone with medical training....that's an important detail. Again, just.... no. Completely different stories as ncff said.

I'm not going to sit here and call you out on every little detail you "forget" as the story is picked apart. All I'm saying is that you need to watch what things "you forget" in a story. A trained medical professional being there to assist you with an AED and its operation is a HELL of a lot different than you reading a "How to" or instruction manual and saving someone yourself, just for future reference.
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It can get picked apart all it wants. I'm not too worried. It's just something I had happen, and do I remember the details exactly? Probably not, but if people want to pick this apart, they are more than free to-- I am a toughie, and can handle it. There aren't too many things that can hurt my feelings-- I have a tough frame of mind, and do not get hurt that easily. It's not easy to hurt my feelings. Heck, it's not even easy to make me angry. Some people have called me out on here before, and have I gotten angry? Nope, cause I know how to handle myself. I just let it go, and move on. I am well versed on how to control my feelings and my anger.
 
ncff07 said:
It's getting deep in here I think I'll break out the hip waders ...
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I was just thinking the same thing.... I think I'll go make myself some popcorn and relax a little bit... maybe some of it will drain out. :D
 
The girl probably didn't make it and if she did I'd be pretty sure she had some type of brain damage if it was a real code blue ... brain can recover with 3 to 6 minutes without oxygen but anything over theres gonna be brain damage ... and anything over 10 with no breathing or circulations is gonna be a vegetable ... I think it was the 15 minute time they declare them brain dead with no oxygen you can correct me if I'm wrong I'm over due for a refresher ...
 
ncff07 said:
The girl probably didn't make it and if she did I'd be pretty sure she had some type of brain damage if it was a real code blue ... brain can recover with 3 to 6 minutes without oxygen but anything over theres gonna be brain damage ... and anything over 10 with no breathing or circulations is gonna be a vegetable ... I think it was the 15 minute time they declare them brain dead with no oxygen you can correct me if I'm wrong I'm over due for a refresher ...
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Well of course there is testing to see if someone is officially brain dead. However now a days yes you're correct. Anything over 10 - 15 minutes ( depending on the circumstance ) with no oxygen we usually assume they'll be brain dead. Usually it's closer to the 10 minute mark. If it's colder outside and their temperature was able to drop fast, you can actually be brought back with no oxygen for longer periods of time! Pretty nifty right? :P Bringing someone back after 5 minutes of death is rare without a medically trained professional doing it, sadly. :(
 
Mewtilation said:
Well of course there is testing to see if someone is officially brain dead. However now a days yes you're correct. Anything over 10 - 15 minutes ( depending on the circumstance ) with no oxygen we usually assume they'll be brain dead. Usually it's closer to the 10 minute mark. If it's colder outside and their temperature was able to drop fast, you can actually be brought back with no oxygen for longer periods of time! Pretty nifty right? :P Bringing someone back after 5 minutes of death is rare without a medically trained professional doing it, sadly. :(
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I was hovering close to death when I got sick with sepsis. My BP was something like 53/36 and I went totally deaf before the ambulance arrived. In Hospital/ICU for 32+ days. I was in a coma the whole time, no memory at all. I experienced some freaky stuff during that time.
 
I try and avoid the hospital at all costs.... Nothing like explaining something stupid to your coworkers... :laugh2: I know we all text stories through the day to see who wins lunch for the most stupid visit!!! :laugh2:

Was it a medically induced coma or were you just in a coma? We have a lot of people tell us some weird things they experience in a coma, especially medically induced comas. Luckily I have never been in one and I hope to avoid any lengthy hospital stays. :Ohno:
 
Mewtilation said:
I try and avoid the hospital at all costs.... Nothing like explaining something stupid to your coworkers... :laugh2: I know we all text stories through the day to see who wins lunch for the most stupid visit!!! :laugh2:

Was it a medically induced coma or were you just in a coma? We have a lot of people tell us some weird things they experience in a coma, especially medically induced comas. Luckily I have never been in one and I hope to avoid any lengthy hospital stays. :Ohno:
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I had both, coma then medically induced coma later. Freaky stuff went on during that time. The stories you hear are true.
 
Angel1989 said:
I had both, coma then medically induced coma later. Freaky stuff went on during that time. The stories you hear are true.
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Oh I believe it! I know I work at a very VERY busy triage hospital, but I've also gone to help out other smaller hospitals over-night with coverage. My hospital is never quiet night or day, but this other hospital was freaky quiet and some of the stuff you hear... :Ohno: I thought about going to a psychologist to get tested for the onset of schizophrenia! ( No joke, seriously I heard some creepy crap there ) I suppose a hospital would be the place to hear creepy things. If it weren't for the over-night tech telling me he hears weird stuff too, I'd have likely gone... :ugh: :Ohno:
 
Angel1989 said:
I was hovering close to death when I got sick with sepsis. My BP was something like 53/36 and I went totally deaf before the ambulance arrived. In Hospital/ICU for 32+ days. I was in a coma the whole time, no memory at all. I experienced some freaky stuff during that time.
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When I was in the psych hospital back in 2000 or 2001, it was time to check my blood pressure, and it read like a 74/90 (or like 70's/80's), but it didn't register the usual 80/120 like it's supposed to, and the staff tried three times to get it to read properly, and all three times it read in the 70's, and the lowest (The last one) was like a 71/85 or 71/86.... something like that, and they FREAKED OUT. They gave me quite a large glass of orange juice, and that did get my blood pressure back up into the 90's, but not near enough normal, so they gave me another glass, and then it was back to normal. After that, they put me on a watch to make sure it didn't happen again, nor did they want me to pass out, cause they said they could be held responsible if that happened.
 
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