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Eyeth said:
While the educational and academic background of these students certainly plays a factor, I suspect this is because of NTID's policy of requring students to pick a major immediately upon enrollment.

I can imagine students, when they enroll at NTID, they're not sure what career path they should take and they face this intense pressure to pick a major NOW. Consequently, many may make choices that they may regret later. If they do change their majors, their earlier academic works are largely wasted and they have to restart again, hence, some students take that long to graduate from NTID with an AS degree.

I wonder if NTID still follows the practice today, where today's enrollees are immediately faced with a career decision upon landing at NTID? Gally never has had this kind of problem as students can wait until 2-3 years after their initial enrollment in order to definitively decide on a major.

Perhaps NTID should loosen their requirements and give students time to seriously consider their career options to prevent academic waste, filling classrooms with students who do not like the subject matter, etc.
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One big problem with students picking the wrong major is that they don't focus or take anything seriously when they're going through SVP. A lot of students are lazy and don't take the tests seriously. Because of that, they are misunderstood and wrong majors are recommended. Sometimes, students think that it's all about "fun" and no "work". When they end up with a major that they don't like, they might change their mind and change their major to something they like.

I knew one gal who came to school in 1999. She picked one major for Fall Quarter. By Winter Quarter, she changed her major. By Spring Quarter, she changed her major again. By next Fall Quarter, she changed her major again. She was warned by her VR and by RIT not to change her major. She did it again for Winter Quarter and was forced to leave.

There's one guy who came in SVP this year. He thought the tests that he had to take during SVP were "bullshit" and just went through like they were irrelevant. He ended up being placed in low-level English as well as other classes. Now, he bitches and whines to me about how NTID is so easy and how he wishes that NTID let him take RIT courses.

Often, I hear that NTID doesn't explain the purpose of the tests well. Sometimes, they say... "The tests are not graded, just to see how much you know." Students hear that and assume that it doesn't matter what grade they get and that they will be able to do what they want. What they SHOULD hear is... "The tests are not graded, but will determine where you will be placed. The better you do, the higher you will be placed. The higher you are placed, the sooner you will finish your program." When I took the tests, I took them seriously. I did so well that they waived me from English I & II and College Algebra. Even though I was a transfer student, they had me take the tests to determine if I matched RIT's expectations. I did.
 
VamPyroX said:
One big problem with students picking the wrong major is that they don't focus or take anything seriously when they're going through SVP. A lot of students are lazy and don't take the tests seriously. Because of that, they are misunderstood and wrong majors are recommended.
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Thank you for a detailed explanation about NTID's testing procedures during SVP. FWIW, Gally has the same battery of tests for incoming students in order to place them into proper English/Math classes.

I took these tests during Gally's freshman orientation and not surprisingly, I passed English requirements, but failed Alegbra and Geometry requirements. I never was good at math, anyway! :)

What I'm curious about SVP's testing regimen is that does it include tests where students can discover their career path and choose upon a major? If I remember correctly, Voc Rehab usually had a test or two where they would test their clients in order to find out their career interests, their strengths and weaknesses, and then guide them upon a specific career path where they would have the most chance of a successful outcome. I assume that NTID has the same kind of tests for students to undertake at SVP?

I don't remember taking such 'career' testing at Gally. All I did was to select liberal arts classes in my first two years. That way, I finally had a better understanding of where my interests lie, what my strengths and weaknesses were, and was able to select a major with confidence. There were advisors in every major and they were invaluable in guiding my decision-making in selecting a major. In my case, it was Accounting.

Even if NTID had career testing, the short period of SVP is wholly inadequate in preparing students to make that hard decision in selecting a major and being 'stuck' with the consequences if the decision proves to be a wrong one.
 
Eyeth said:
What I'm curious about SVP's testing regimen is that does it include tests where students can discover their career path and choose upon a major?
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Doubtful... RIT/NTID typically expects you to have some idea what you're aiming to study when you get here, because the liberal arts requirements are really even a lot less than they were before. A lot of programs take four years of classes just to complete their core courses, so the aspect trying different things is compromised for more insane academics.

Some of the colleges have 'undeclared' programs within the discipline so that the student can select a major later... I know College of Business and College of Engineering have undeclared business and undeclared engineering programs, respectively, but that's because all of the programs at those two colleges pretty much share the same first two years, getting into the more specialised aspects of the program later.

College of Computing and Information Sciences doesn't do this (probably because the IT dept refuses to use the normal programming classes), and I have no idea about College of Imaging Arts and Sciences.

Basically, due to the way RIT/NTID program curricula are organized, it's really not possible to just come in and take courses, find your niche and then go with it. RIT/NTID is a career-oriented university... not a liberal arts university.
 
VamPyroX said:
One big problem with students picking the wrong major is that they don't focus or take anything seriously when they're going through SVP. A lot of students are lazy and don't take the tests seriously. Because of that, they are misunderstood and wrong majors are recommended. Sometimes, students think that it's all about "fun" and no "work". When they end up with a major that they don't like, they might change their mind and change their major to something they like.
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It is true. Also, high schools do not offer them what they like to study. They were not serious making plan for their career before going to college. I wonder about this one - Do other countries have the opportunity for students to learn something that we do not have in our country? Any thought?
 
Eyeth said:
Thank you for a detailed explanation about NTID's testing procedures during SVP. FWIW, Gally has the same battery of tests for incoming students in order to place them into proper English/Math classes.

I took these tests during Gally's freshman orientation and not surprisingly, I passed English requirements, but failed Alegbra and Geometry requirements. I never was good at math, anyway! :)

What I'm curious about SVP's testing regimen is that does it include tests where students can discover their career path and choose upon a major? If I remember correctly, Voc Rehab usually had a test or two where they would test their clients in order to find out their career interests, their strengths and weaknesses, and then guide them upon a specific career path where they would have the most chance of a successful outcome. I assume that NTID has the same kind of tests for students to undertake at SVP?

I don't remember taking such 'career' testing at Gally. All I did was to select liberal arts classes in my first two years. That way, I finally had a better understanding of where my interests lie, what my strengths and weaknesses were, and was able to select a major with confidence. There were advisors in every major and they were invaluable in guiding my decision-making in selecting a major. In my case, it was Accounting.

Even if NTID had career testing, the short period of SVP is wholly inadequate in preparing students to make that hard decision in selecting a major and being 'stuck' with the consequences if the decision proves to be a wrong one.
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I don't exactly know how their testing works. I've never gone through SVP. I did proctor a few tests last year and it was only two different types of tests: Math Test and Michigan Test. The Math Test determines their knowledge in Math. The Michigan Test determines their knowledge in Reading... I think.

From what I've heard, 90% of SVP is different "classes" that range in many different fields of study. They are supposedly given "tests" in each of these "classes". At the end, they analyze these "tests" and determine where to place those students.

Of course, I might be wrong since I've never actually gone through it myself. :dunno:
 
thanks for telling me all that information about NTID and that I am going to NWCC (Northwestern CT Community College) just to take mathematics and English at the preparatory level which gaining more independent skills from my local independent living center before June 2007 (I will be 21 in 2007 so my town will be forced to continue providing transportation until then).

My mom said that I will not GET ALL WAY up to RIT because of my deafness and physical disability. My friend said that he knows a person who is also in wheelchair (similar to my physical disability) and he goes to RIT.

Who knows if I get to RIT LEVEL and I understand that some of deaf students at NTID are behind in English (3rd-4th grade) but I went to mainstream schools during my life and that I am mostly exposed to the hearing world so that I kind of feel behind on deaf socializing part.
 
rjr2006 said:
thanks for telling me all that information about NTID and that I am going to NWCC (Northwestern CT Community College) just to take mathematics and English at the preparatory level which gaining more independent skills from my local independent living center before June 2007 (I will be 21 in 2007 so my town will be forced to continue providing transportation until then).

My mom said that I will not GET ALL WAY up to RIT because of my deafness and physical disability. My friend said that he knows a person who is also in wheelchair (similar to my physical disability) and he goes to RIT.

Who knows if I get to RIT LEVEL and I understand that some of deaf students at NTID are behind in English (3rd-4th grade) but I went to mainstream schools during my life and that I am mostly exposed to the hearing world so that I kind of feel behind on deaf socializing part.
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What is your plan to study? To become a mathematician? (like Stephen Hawking) or a lawyer - not at court - like Legal Service, Corporate Law, Criminal Law, Tax Law, Patent Law, Environmental Law, Comparative Law, etc. Just keep in your mind about your limitation - u know what I mean.

http://www.udel.edu/prelaw/pre-law.htm - What is a Lawyer?
 
webexplorer said:
What is your plan to study? To become a mathematician? (like Stephen Hawking) or a lawyer - not at court - like Legal Service, Corporate Law, Criminal Law, Tax Law, Patent Law, Environmental Law, Comparative Law, etc. Just keep in your mind about your limitation - u know what I mean.

http://www.udel.edu/prelaw/pre-law.htm - What is a Lawyer?
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Stephen Hawking is primarily a theoretical physicist, not a mathematician. He is, however, Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge.

Tangentially, I really like many of the British astronomers and physicists. I met Sir Martin Rees ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Rees ) when I was a young boy, and I remember being SO fixated by him. He even answered my question about the Many Worlds Theory and other parallel universes. He was a huge inspiration to a youthful boy like me.
 
Hi Endymion, I am curious ... you know what Magenisum Citrate saline solution is? Thanks... :) :thumb:
 
Heath,

Magnesium citrate is often used in situations where a laxative is needed. I also know that your body produces certain quantities naturally. Is that what you were talking about?
 
Endymion said:
Heath,

Magnesium citrate is often used in situations where a laxative is needed. I also know that your body produces certain quantities naturally. Is that what you were talking about?
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Yes , That is the bottle that the hospital staff gives to clean the stomach out 24 hours before getting an X-ray. The magenisum citrate bottle can also be bought over the counter at the store like Dollar General in the medical aisle or your local pharamacy. Have fun drinking the Magnesium citrate bottle. :beer: :rofl: Uh Oh !!! Bathroom right now !!!!

:laugh2: :bump:

p.s.

:rofl: Please eat anything very hot or spicy.... then drink some magnesium citrate and have a good bathroom story to tell. :Owned: :rofl:

( Real Serious Advice : Don't eat anything hot spicy then drink some magnesium citrate in real life. )
 
Lol. Did you know I used to make bets with some of my high school friends to see how many Jalapeños we could handle?

After a while, we moved on to Habaneros. Damn, did that stuff BURN!
 
I remember my mom gave me some chiles to eat and my mouth and nose watered for days afterwards. Pepsto Bismol did not help with the bathroom even though it helped keep my stomach cold.

I also will never forget Dave's Insanity hot sauce. My dad pulled a joke and put it in my chicken soup in the wintertime.


We had a good laugh over that one. :laugh2: :rofl:
 
Eyeth said:
Is there a shebang smiley in there somewhere? :) Something tells me you know a lot more about computer programming than you're letting on. And to think, I thought you were only interested in poetry. :)

As for Perl, tried it. Done a small coding project with it. It's nice, but I'm gonna stick with PHP for my web programming endeavors. I'm also learning C. I like computer programming as it allows me to be creative, and yet, acheive utility in doing something worthwhile. Plus, I suck at writing poetry, haikus (not to mention ones made in Perl, too!) and filthy limericks. :)

As for getting back on track, NTID is a nice school. As other posters correctly pointed out, NTID really isn't a 'college' as it confers mostly A.S. degrees. The major plus behind NTID is that it grants support services to any Deaf student enrolled in RIT's college programs. A lot of hearing students are already familiar and friendly with D/HH students on campus, almost unheard of anywhere else.
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LOL. I enjoy computers, but I don't think I'd do it for a profession. I just know enough to program my computer to conjugate Spanish verbs for me. I got 185/200 for that huge conjugation project in high school too. It only took me thirty minutes! Twenty five for the programming, five to find my verbs and type them in! ;)

But in reality, I probably wouldn't make it as a hardcore programmer (maybe as a webpreneur, certainly -- just like I'm trying to do now)

I am also very impressed! Not only are you a JD, not only do you command an understanding of a diverse array of topics and subjects, you can also write computer code!

I think if we had more Deaf people like you we'd take over this planet. ;)
 
Endymion said:
Tangentially, I really like many of the British astronomers and physicists. I met Sir Martin Rees when I was a young boy, and I remember being SO fixated by him. He even answered my question about the Many Worlds Theory and other parallel universes. He was a huge inspiration to a youthful boy like me.
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Wow, how lucky you are!
 
webexplorer said:
What is your plan to study? To become a mathematician? (like Stephen Hawking) or a lawyer - not at court - like Legal Service, Corporate Law, Criminal Law, Tax Law, Patent Law, Environmental Law, Comparative Law, etc. Just keep in your mind about your limitation - u know what I mean.

http://www.udel.edu/prelaw/pre-law.htm - What is a Lawyer?
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well, I have been doing a lot of web page design for my website since I was 14 and that I decide to use time in college to continue studying web design and I would like to be a professional web designer for businesses
 
rjr2006 said:
well, I have been doing a lot of web page design for my website since I was 14 and that I decide to use time in college to continue studying web design and I would like to be a professional web designer for businesses
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Sounds good to me.
 
rjr2006 said:
thanks for telling me all that information about NTID and that I am going to NWCC (Northwestern CT Community College) just to take mathematics and English at the preparatory level which gaining more independent skills from my local independent living center before June 2007 (I will be 21 in 2007 so my town will be forced to continue providing transportation until then).

My mom said that I will not GET ALL WAY up to RIT because of my deafness and physical disability. My friend said that he knows a person who is also in wheelchair (similar to my physical disability) and he goes to RIT.

Who knows if I get to RIT LEVEL and I understand that some of deaf students at NTID are behind in English (3rd-4th grade) but I went to mainstream schools during my life and that I am mostly exposed to the hearing world so that I kind of feel behind on deaf socializing part.
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Just because you're deaf or handicapped doesn't mean you won't get all the way up to RIT. It's simple knowledge... not physical handicap. Do you need to walk to know how to read? Do you need to hear to know how to read? Nah! As long as your brain can function properly, you're fine! :thumb:
 
Congrats, and wish ya good luck.
 
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