Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

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Oh and in the video, Hannah is the one in the purple wig....Hell, I"M proud of her for attacking the Wall St. Bull. I reposted the video to my Facebook page, after Mama Nan posted it. My brother came downstairs asked " Was that thing you posted your friend Hannah?" I said "yes." He goes " She's AWESOME!!!"
 
Ever wonder why Occupy LA is faring better than Occupy Wall Street?

Occupy L.A.: City Council Resolution Supports Anti-Wall Street Protesters, Lets Them Keep Sleeping on Front Lawn - Los Angeles News - The Informer
L.A. City Councilmembers Richard Alarcon and Bill Rosendahl introduced a resolution to support the Occupy L.A. movement today -- a gesture that would essentially attach the City of Los Angeles to protesters' many grievances. The council will take an official vote on the resolution next Tuesday, but judging by their dramatic, heart-wrenched personal responses to occupiers during the meeting's public comment period, no black-sheep councilmember is going to make the dick move of voting 'No' on such a popular cause.

This super feel-good exchange between Occupy L.A. and city government is a perfect depiction of how the West Coast movement differs from its East Coast muse:

New York Mayor Bloomberg is viewing the unrest as a problem, whereas the L.A. City Council is using it as a way to connect with their constituents. And while the NYPD brawls with protesters on Wall Street, the LAPD has been called out by Occupy L.A. for its exceptionally good behavior.

"Stay as long as you need, we're here to support you," City Council President Eric Garcetti told the campers on L.A. City Hall's front lawn yesterday.

The council's resolution is much of the same. (Many Tweeters have confused its introduction with its final passage, but in the end, they're probably right.)
"There was an Arab spring," Rosendahl preached at the meeting. "[And now] you're seeing an American autumn."

A member of Occupy L.A. identifying himself as "head of security" stood at the public-comment podium and told his elected officials, "My current address is here, at 200 Spring Street. I no longer have a home. ... And by god, I'm gonna stay here as long as it takes."

Many of the speaker's dripping-wet peers, taking momentary shelter in council chambers, echoed the sentiment.

Councilman Dennis Zine piled onto the lovefest, saying he was "very impressed with [protesters'] legitimacy with concern to their issues" and the way they "presented themselves" before the council. (You know, as opposed the usual batch of "disorderly" madmen that councilmembers normally have to tolerate. Cough cough, Zuma Dogg.)

"And you're out there in the rain, which is miserable," added Rosendahl.

Which gets us to wondering: Maybe the plebeians should try occupying someplace they're a little less welcome? The real occupation today is happening at a big bank CEO's house out in Bel Air.

But here's the resolution, for those who wish to feel a swell of pride for their stand-up city politicians. Courtesy of City Maven.

More to come as the protest wears on. Especially looking forward to the mayor's highly anticipated appearance at the encampment today. Because if anyone's good for a hypocritical, bleeding-heart solidarity speech, it's L.A. Mayor Antonio "Six Foot Wall" Villaraigosa.

Like the powerful California unions backing Occupy L.A., the City Council has a lot to gain from attaching its name to this grassroots campaign.

Update: An LA Weekly commenter points out, and City News Service confirms, that "police have been enforcing a city ordinance that prevents people from sleeping in city parks, including the lawn of City Hall, at night to move their tents from the lawn to the sidewalk around 10 p.m. and back to the lawn about 6 a.m."

So damn silly. City Councilman Alarcon had requested that Villaraigosa "issue
an executive order preventing Occupy L.A. demonstrators from having to move
their tents," but the mayor's spokesman tells City News he doesn't actually have that authority.

Uh-oh. Looks like the true bureaucratic inefficiencies of our local government -- in the same vein as those currently being protested across the country -- might get in the way of this kumbaya sesh that's been raging between protesters and politicians downtown.

"The mayor does support Occupy L.A. and the right to peaceful assembly,'' the spokesman added, pointing out that Villaraigosa supplied occupiers with 100 ponchos this morning, to protect them from the sudden downpour. Heh.
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it is nice to see that Occupy LA is more organized and that they actually have a resolution (Occupy-LA-Resolution)
 
kokonut said:
Obama to Occupy Wall St. Protesters: "You are the reason I ran for office." | The Weekly Standard

Makes sense....



Obama brings a gun to a knife fight - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

"I want you to argue with them and get in their face."
Did ACORN Take Obama’s ‘Get In Their Face’ Rallying Cry Literally? - By Jim Geraghty - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online


RealClearPolitics - Video - Obama Calls The GOP "Hostage Takers" Over Tax Cut Compromise
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Thomas Sowell: There has probably never been a time in the history of this country when we more urgently needed to get a president out of the White House before he ruined the country. (AJC, 11/22/2011, Section A, Page A15)
 
deafdyke said:
You're implying that she did something wrong and the cop is in the right with your stance here though. You do not understand. My second Mom (Hannah and Sophie's real mom) was SO pissed about Hannah getting attacked, she was going to go down to NYC that night from VT. This is a woman who was VERY proud of Hannah for being arrested for performing a rodeo dressed as a clown on the Wall St Bull : CLOWNS ARRESTED IN NEAR-SUCCESSFUL ATTACK ON WALL STREET BULL - YouTube
and for her sister for defending Zucotti Park chained to something. If the cop had NOT attacked her, and it was an innocent little mistake, Mama Nan would NOT have been so pissed.(I know this woman very well, and love her as my own) It was a legit attack from what I hear from Nancy, Sophie and the other Occupiers. Sophie said in her status that the NYPD put handcuffs on Hannah's hand so tight they turned purple!?!? And Nancy posted Hannah's text from when she was released " Mom....I'm out, I got kind of beaten up but not too bad." ...and as I said in an e-mail to Mama Nan "this is really riling my activist and journalistic senstabilties....and I would be pissed even if Hannah was not my dear friend."
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"Proud of her for being arrested ...."

well, you know what they say - birds of a feather
 
Steinhauer said:
Thomas Sowell: There has probably never been a time in the history of this country when we more urgently needed to get a president out of the White House before he ruined the country. (AJC, 11/22/2011, Section A, Page A15)
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ah that buffoon who compared Obama with Hitler and supported by Sarah Palin for that? also that buffoon whose research on price gouging was debunked by Nobel Price economist Amartya Sen? and that very buffoon whose book was criticized for its fallacious argument by William Julius Wilson, a sociologist who holds 41 honorary degrees and a bunch of highest honors and awards?

That comment alone ought to be enough for further investigation and surveillance under Patriot Act for the suspicion of inciting subversion of state power or advocating or approving the commission of acts of violence to overthrow the government of the United States.
 
deafdyke said:
You're implying that she did something wrong and the cop is in the right with your stance here though. You do not understand. My second Mom (Hannah and Sophie's real mom) was SO pissed about Hannah getting attacked, she was going to go down to NYC that night from VT. This is a woman who was VERY proud of Hannah for being arrested for performing a rodeo dressed as a clown on the Wall St Bull : CLOWNS ARRESTED IN NEAR-SUCCESSFUL ATTACK ON WALL STREET BULL - YouTube
and for her sister for defending Zucotti Park chained to something. If the cop had NOT attacked her, and it was an innocent little mistake, Mama Nan would NOT have been so pissed.(I know this woman very well, and love her as my own) It was a legit attack from what I hear from Nancy, Sophie and the other Occupiers. Sophie said in her status that the NYPD put handcuffs on Hannah's hand so tight they turned purple!?!? And Nancy posted Hannah's text from when she was released " Mom....I'm out, I got kind of beaten up but not too bad." ...and as I said in an e-mail to Mama Nan "this is really riling my activist and journalistic senstabilties....and I would be pissed even if Hannah was not my dear friend."
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He's not implying anything that she did something wrong. In fact, he said in the very first line:

"We are not even saying she did anything wrong."
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And also he wasn't implying that the cop was in the right ,either:

"IF the officer can not justify his actions I hope he will be punished. But I don't think we can decide that based on the video here."
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His quote can be seen here:
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/95389-declaration-occupy-wall-street-83.html#post1975194
 
Banjo said:
Same here. It's amusing how people keep using terms like "low quality", "blurry", "main subject is out of the picture for most of the video", etc. It's quite clear what happened. The cop went gung-ho and basically choked her. There's no way to justify an action like that.
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exactly. recall NYPD Officer found guilty of testilying for shoving bicyclist few years ago?

Ex-Officer Guilty in Critical Mass Confrontation - NYTimes.com
 
kokonut said:
That law is for civilians. Nothing about policies regarding the use of pepper spray used by LEOs when allowed.





Does that mean you are unable to argue/debate effectively and instead prefer to call names and innuendos on the way out when people see differently or disagree?
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kokonut,

My point exactly and I would have made it earlier if my first 5 posts hadn't had to be moderated. Not that that's a bad idea, just different from other forums I belong to. The use of pepper spray in most jurisdictions by civilians is only allowed for use in self defense as you indicate. It is different for police officers based on their department policy. The reason being is that as I indicated before, when a LEO gives you a lawful order and you refuse, they shouldn't have to risk being assaulted to take you into custody. This allows them to use things such as pepper spray and tasers to get compliance before going hands on. In any case they generally always give warnings about what will happen if you don't comply. This is backed up by case law. Most of these videos that are posted on the internet are not good enough for use as evidence in court. It will take more than just these short poor quality videos to convict and that's the way it should be.

Another thing that amazes me is that as the chancellor of the university her English is lacking! I am not opposed to legal immigration and I know that is what built this country, but why can't someone in her postion speak better English? She is the chancellor of an American University! Amazing, the chancellor admits that the students were in violation of University policy for safety reasons!
 
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airportcop said:
Let's try this again. I meant the U.C. Davis incident. Sorry! And no jillio I am not a security guard or a rent a cop. I am a fully certified police officer or peace officer in the state of Missouri with full powers of arrest. I work full time and we have our own police department at the airport like many others in the U.S.. We are the ones that blow up first when terrorists strike here! Some people must navigate life with their eyes closed!

Yes, based on the video it looks as though the cop or cops was way out of line and if that is the case he should be fired, prosecuted and sued. That is why there will be an investigation. Remember, this is the U.S. (innocent until proven guilty)! But, like most videos that the liberal media post we will probably never have the full or true story completely. We don't know what happened before the cameras rolled or what was happening off camera.

Cops are people too! There just happens to be far less of them then most occupations. Yes, there are bad ones and they need to be dealt with. But there are bad doctors, lawyers, teachers, preachers, plumbers, electricians and hair stylists too! I don't think I see too many regular people in the Occupy crowd! Otherwise they would be working!

Give the guys who risk their lives daily to protect your freedoms and rights a break! We are not all bad guys! I don't know about California but in Missouri, if the cops give you a legal order to disperse and you don't you could risk being pepper sprayed or even tasered. That is just how the use of force ladder works. The officer shouldn't have to risk assault to get your cooperation. We all have our opinions and some times we will just have to agree to disagree.

Let the pounding begin! Oh, and thanks for the welcome to your forum!
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Given the purpose for your being here, did you really expect to get a warm, welcome to the Deaf community welcome?:roll: You came here to troll.
 
deafskeptic said:
I've watched the video several times and as far as I can tell she wasn't being threatening though she appears to be pulling on something then cops came down on her.
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And that is what I see as well. I suggest that those who see the movement as threatening are looking through the special lens they use for anyone they think might be in the least bit conservative in their views.:cool2:
 
Jiro said:
ah that buffoon who compared Obama with Hitler and supported by Sarah Palin for that? also that buffoon whose research on price gouging was debunked by Nobel Price economist Amartya Sen? and that very buffoon whose book was criticized for its fallacious argument by William Julius Wilson, a sociologist who holds 41 honorary degrees and a bunch of highest honors and awards?

That comment alone ought to be enough for further investigation and surveillance under Patriot Act for the suspicion of inciting subversion of state power or advocating or approving the commission of acts of violence to overthrow the government of the United States.
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If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the Patriot Act enacted during the Bush administration?
 
kokonut said:
That law is for civilians. Nothing about policies regarding the use of pepper spray used by LEOs when allowed.





Does that mean you are unable to argue/debate effectively and instead prefer to call names and innuendos on the way out when people see differently or disagree?
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No, it simply means that there are two or three people on this forum who are incapable of having a logical intelligent discussion...you being one of them.
 
TXgolfer said:
I looks like he grabbed her jackets to me. It only looks bad because she is pulling and being pulled away IMO.

Again, I don't know if she did anything wrong or not, but clearly the officer thought she did and tried to grab her and she pulled away I don't see an attack

We too can just agree to disagree. :) No hard feelings.
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It only looks bad?:laugh2: Says he from his noncommittal postion in his armchair.
 
TXgolfer said:
Are you saying this officer at UC Davis isn't trained. I haven't seen that. :dunno:

And of course I know you were not saying that UC Davis goes by NYPD departmental policy. :lol:

What happened at UC Davis would have been against Oakland PD Policy too (not that it applies either) simply because they are sitting down but I am not aware of the California State law to which TWA is referring. Like Koko said though, I would have preferred to see the police just leave them alone in this instance. Pepper spray was definitely unnecessary in this instance whether allowed or not. Unless they are interfering with business entrances or committing crimes I say let them be.
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Evidently he wasn't. That is why the chancellor busted his butt.
 
airportcop said:
kokonut,

My point exactly and I would have made it earlier if my first 5 posts hadn't had to be moderated. Not that that's a bad idea, just different from other forums I belong to. The use of pepper spray in most jurisdictions by civilians is only allowed for use in self defense as you indicate. It is different for police officers based on their department policy. The reason being is that as I indicated before, when a LEO gives you a lawful order and you refuse, they shouldn't have to risk being assaulted to take you into custody. This allows them to use things such as pepper spray and tasers to get compliance before going hands on. In any case they generally always give warnings about what will happen if you don't comply. This is backed up by case law. Most of these videos that are posted on the internet are not good enough for use as evidence in court. It will take more than just these short poor quality videos to convict and that's the way it should be.

Another thing that amazes me is that as the chancellor of the university her English is lacking! I am not opposed to legal immigration and I know that is what built this country, but why can't someone in her postion speak better English? She is the chancellor of an American University! Amazing, the chancellor admits that the students were in violation of University policy for safety reasons!
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Risk being assaulted?:laugh2: What does the chancellor's English skills have to do with this campus cop's action on innocent, peaceful protestors? What do the chancellor's English skills have to do with her intelligence and ability to run a university? Strawmen. Stick to the topic.

Who are you really?
 
jillio said:
Risk being assaulted?:laugh2: What does the chancellor's English skills have to do with this campus cop's action on innocent, peaceful protestors? What do the chancellor's English skills have to do with her intelligence and ability to run a university? Strawmen. Stick to the topic.

Who are you really?
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i'm wondering the same thing myself.
 
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