Who is the Biblical believer?!

[XBGMER]

if You go back to the original ancient texts. Then You can find out what has really changed, and get a more accurate picture of the Word of God. Yes, the Bible is the Word of God, and some Christian believer have doubt this statement. It is as fundamental as your belief itself.


Remember the Poweful verses in Scripture:

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


NIV, NKJV, ASV, NRSV,..just like the new translation! Those bibles completely omissed the verses out of from those bibles. People wanted to make many of bible understanding and easy!! But My answer is very simple: They are not agree eachother with bible. they ended up to make their own bible divided into many bibles confuse you to pick which one of the best book for you.

Psa 107:11 Because they rebelled against the words of God, and contemned the counsel of the most High:

Would you be upset if you bought a road map that removed a few roads or cities from the map?

KJV has the beautiful verse and pure Word of the One True and Perfect God, it is perfect also through the heart reveal you..


Your Bible which Niv, others had SOMETHING missed from VERSES below:

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1161 AUTHORIZED VERSION [I.E. KING JAMES BIBLE] HAS THE WORDS OF ETENTRAL LIFE.

 

[The Heretic]

The translation problems aren't limited to the english translations

You need to be able to read hebrew and koine greek to avoid misunderstandings like these. But then again, the Septuagint isn't an accurate translation of the Torah either.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Yeah The Heretic make damn good point and BTW I am studying greek bible right now.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Misunderstanding?

I have 2 bibles here. None can read Greek bible, dont you? The bibles spread out to world with different languages after translation done.

I'm bible belief, not reglious.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Liebling, it is interesting that you believe in bible and you aren't religious. It means that you don't follow what bible said, and is that right?

 

[XBGMER]

Please respect others, Would you do?

Misunderstanding?

I have 2 bibles here. None can read Greek bible, dont you? The bibles spread out to world with different languages after translation done.

I'm bible belief, not reglious.

I am 100 percent agree with you, no one can read greek bible.. Stay your faith to bible after translation done..

Liebling, it is interesting that you believe in bible and you aren't religious. It means that you don't follow what bible said, and is that right?

I ask you, would you leave liebling or others alone unless you respect others who faith their own bible..

I like to share with you, Might you aware that in slave owners forbid black saves to read
book or bible.. Black slaves want to know God's words. They never allow them to read bible for more years than 400 years.. they kept blacks in slave and work hard without educations.. that why black english is behind their edcuations.... they are free and can read bible by english because people or me of my fore-fathers and mothers used after my tongue of english for years and years.. i suppose to read english book make me understand and english and me are in common one..

Now you telling me, I should read greek bible and you try to confuse me and others as force me and other read another bible which greek or hebrew instead of english bible.. Did you know that the greek bible and hebew bibile had been corrputed and removes some verses too

I no need to study greek bible or hebew bible...

No wondering you are lack of knowledge verse the bible.. you like to debate and bash others.. since you studied your greek bible..


NOTE: How did britian empire still alive during 1161 's time??

 

[Crazymanw00t]

I am respecting Liebiling and I asked question and that meant no offends.

What is your point? with black slaves.
White people did share the gospel with slave in past. Some weren't and some did.

You are making no sense.
I said you should read Greek NT and Hebrew OT to aviod any translations. Greek NT and Hebrew OT are the orignal bible. And you are saying that they already deleted some verse, and I am telling you this, "Oh please." We still have the oldest scroll of those manualscripts (SP?).

Dude, Everyone is not perfect with knoweldge of bible's verses. You can't memory every words order in every verses. Therefore I am still learning. Greek and English is completely different. They got different word orders. English's bible already missed some main points from the bible just beacuse of translation. That is why I am studying Greek to understand the main point from Greek's bible.

I do debate and not to bash on others. I debate facted on the bible and not bashing from my mouth. Do you understand that? I can give you all day verses and explaination of each verse and I am very sure that you will walk away from me because I am too blunt for you. You couldn't stand blunts. For example with Abortions, Homosexual, and etc. Many people just want to follow the world's way not in God's want. They do that because they see the world in realstic thing than with God because God is for faithful, only.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling, it is interesting that you believe in bible and you aren't religious. It means that you don't follow what bible said, and is that right?

Well, can you please tell me which reglious Jesus or God has?

They dont have different relgious in the world what we has now. Right?

Did Jesus worship the bible because bible belong to kinds of reglious? Right or what?

Would Jesus and God like you to worship kind of reglious and went to church to worship the cross statues?

I would like to remind you that the bible alone, Jesus taught the people, not worship the kinds of reglious. That´s bible, I am truly and beleive because it´s them who wrote them, not kind of reglious. I love to read bible stories/history because they wrote, not worship kind of fake reglious. I pray EVERYWHERE what I like, not go to church.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am respecting Liebiling and I asked question and that meant no offends.

What is your point? with black slaves.
White people did share the gospel with slave in past. Some weren't and some did.

You are making no sense.
I said you should read Greek NT and Hebrew OT to aviod any translations. Greek NT and Hebrew OT are the orignal bible. And you are saying that they already deleted some verse, and I am telling you this, "Oh please." We still have the oldest scroll of those manualscripts (SP?).

Dude, Everyone is not perfect with knoweldge of bible's verses. You can't memory every words order in every verses. Therefore I am still learning. Greek and English is completely different. They got different word orders. English's bible already missed some main points from the bible just beacuse of translation. That is why I am studying Greek to understand the main point from Greek's bible.

I do debate and not to bash on others. I debate facted on the bible and not bashing from my mouth. Do you understand that? I can give you all day verses and explaination of each verse and I am very sure that you will walk away from me because I am too blunt for you. You couldn't stand blunts. For example with Abortions, Homosexual, and etc. Many people just want to follow the world's way not in God's want. They do that because they see the world in realstic thing than with God because God is for faithful, only.

Well, I would like to give you some of examples.

I know both English and German languages. They have different grammars. I have German and English bible to compare with. I know they wrote the same but different grammars, not "missing" or "deleted" what you claim.

 

[VamPyroX]

I'm not a biblical believer. I haven't seen anything being proven in the Bible. So far, the Bible is just one big "story". I've seen better stuff from history books.

 

[Reba]

Well, can you please tell me which reglious Jesus or God has?

When Jesus was born on earth, He was born into a Jewish family, and He followed the Jewish religion.

God doesn't have a religion. His chosen people are the Jews, and His followers are called Christians. Is that what you mean?

They dont have different relgious in the world what we has now. Right?

There were some ancient religions that faded away, and some that continue today. Also, new religions have been established over the years, and will probably continue to be established in the future. "Religions" and "denominations" are created by man, so they come and go, and change. The true church of God is the body of believers, past, present, and future, all over the world. They have no one "religion" or headquarters church building. There is no world leader. They meet in local church buildings, but that is just a meeting place for worship.

Did Jesus worship the bible because bible belong to kinds of reglious? Right or what?

While Jesus lived on earth, there was no "Holy Bible" the way we have it now. It was mostly a set of scrolls containing what Christians call the Old Testament. (Jews did not then, nor do they now, call it the Old Testament; that is the Christian title.) He would have read the holy Scriptures in their original Hebrew and Aramaic languages. The New Testament was not yet written.

When Jesus lived on the earth, the Scriptures were really only for the Jews. Scholars of other religions and nationalities would study them (such as the Wise Men did), but most Gentiles did not read or use the Scriptures.

Would Jesus and God like you to worship kind of reglious and went to church to worship the cross statues?

God commands against worshipping idols. Idols include religious statues and pictures. But "idols" can also include whatever takes our hearts from God. "Idols" can include money, sports, cars, careers, pleasures, etc. Whatever we love more than God can become an idol of worship.

I would like to remind you that the bible alone, Jesus taught the people, not worship the kinds of reglious.

Yes, Jesus taught that the important spiritual relationship is one-on-one. That is, between Jesus and the individual person. That is most important, more than joining a church or religion.

However, that is not saying that churches are not important. Jesus did preach that His followers should meet together as often as possible to worship together, study God's Word together, share each other's burdens, and support each other. Jesus knew that people need each other, and can help each other. The older experienced Christians can help teach and guide the younger new Christians. Healthy Christians can help weak Christians. Rich Christians can help poor Christians. Friendly Christians can help lonely Christians. That is the reason for local churches.

...I pray EVERYWHERE what I like, not go to church.

It is true that we should not limit our prayers and Bible study just to church time. Praying and Bible reading should happen throughout the day, every day of the week, not just Sunday. We can and should pray at home. But it is also good to meet together at church. Praying is important but sometimes it is nice to also put our arms around a person's shoulder for comfort, and smile into their faces.

 

[Beowulf]

Dang.
It's gonna be a nice day when Jesus returns.
Like about ten million degrees.

 

[ravensteve1961]

Dang.
It's gonna be a nice day when Jesus returns.
Like about ten million degrees.

Yeah my hearing and diabetes will be healed on that day.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Well, I would like to give you some of examples.

I know both English and German languages. They have different grammars. I have German and English bible to compare with. I know they wrote the same but different grammars, not "missing" or "deleted" what you claim.

Yeah I know part of German and I am taking German course from Gallaudet. I am going to GSL program at Hamburg on this summer. Exciting for me!

Well, I asked some people about the missing main point from Greek and other languages. They said yes some of them were missing because of verbs, adj and adv describe is different than other languages. So they suggest all of us to know greek language to be avoid to lose some describes or main points from orignal bible. It is small thing but it influences a lot.

 

[Opal]

I'm not a biblical believer. I haven't seen anything being proven in the Bible. So far, the Bible is just one big "story". I've seen better stuff from history books.

I don't understand WHY people would re-read their bible constantly, if they knew what it is all about in first place?

It must be boring to re-read same book all the time, every day isn't it?
:sure:

 

[Chrysanthe]

I don't understand WHY people would re-read their bible constantly, if they knew what it is all about in first place?

It must be boring to re-read same book all the time, every day isn't it?
:sure:

That s your opinion. But I love reading bible. I never get tired of it.

 

[Reba]

I don't understand WHY people would re-read their bible constantly, if they knew what it is all about in first place?

It must be boring to re-read same book all the time, every day isn't it?
:sure:

I re-read it because I find deeper meaning with each reading, and notice details that I missed before. Also, each time I read the Bible I am approaching it from a new perspective for that day. For example, I might be in a different mood, or facing different problems that day then when I last read that same passage. It is not boring at all.

 

[stringbean]

When Jesus was born on earth, He was born into a Jewish family, and He followed the Jewish religion.

God doesn't have a religion. His chosen people are the Jews, and His followers are called Christians. Is that what you mean?

And Jesus was born into a Jewish family because Christianity wasn't around at that point. Christianity is the same as Jewish belief except for one core belief. When Jesus came, Christians believe that he was the messiah that the bible predicted while Jews believe that the messiah is still to come.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

When Jesus was born on earth, He was born into a Jewish family, and He followed the Jewish religion.

Yes, everyone knows that Jesus is a Jewish but he do not worship jewish religion. It doesnt meant that you worship the American reglious because you born in America. I doesnt mean to follow any reglious because the place where I born. There´re no reglious.

Jesus came and asked John to baptize him when he was 30 years old. He asked John to baptize him for a different reason.
Before Jesus came to John, he was a carpenter because he learn from Joseph, Mary´s husband but God doesnt send his son Jesus to earth to be a carpenter.
Did you know what God said after Jesus´s baptize? Is it because of reglious? Nope. It doesnt meant that you become kind of reglious after baptize. My parent baptize me into Catholic when I was baby. I know it´s not right because I doesnt ask for kind reglious. God didnt expect you to baptize to become kind of reglious.

God doesn't have a religion. His chosen people are the Jews, and His followers are called Christians. Is that what you mean?

Christians? Nope, It´s Jesus´s surname is Christ. It´s your own belief.

There were some ancient religions that faded away, and some that continue today. Also, new religions have been established over the years, and will probably continue to be established in the future. "Religions" and "denominations" are created by man, so they come and go, and change. The true church of God is the body of believers, past, present, and future, all over the world. They have no one "religion" or headquarters church building. There is no world leader. They meet in local church buildings, but that is just a meeting place for worship.

As you see that I am faith only Bible, not reglious. God and Jesus did not ask for kinds of reglious.

While Jesus lived on earth, there was no "Holy Bible" the way we have it now. It was mostly a set of scrolls containing what Christians call the Old Testament. (Jews did not then, nor do they now, call it the Old Testament; that is the Christian title.) He would have read the holy Scriptures in their original Hebrew and Aramaic languages. The New Testament was not yet written.

When Jesus lived on the earth, the Scriptures were really only for the Jews. Scholars of other religions and nationalities would study them (such as the Wise Men did), but most Gentiles did not read or use the Scriptures.

Correct, but what´s the wrong with translation? I have both bibles and compare them. They both are same.

God commands against worshipping idols. Idols include religious statues and pictures. But "idols" can also include whatever takes our hearts from God. "Idols" can include money, sports, cars, careers, pleasures, etc. Whatever we love more than God can become an idol of worship.

Exactly

Yes, Jesus taught that the important spiritual relationship is one-on-one. That is, between Jesus and the individual person. That is most important, more than joining a church or religion.

Exactly.

However, that is not saying that churches are not important. Jesus did preach that His followers should meet together as often as possible to worship together, study God's Word together, share each other's burdens, and support each other. Jesus knew that people need each other, and can help each other. The older experienced Christians can help teach and guide the younger new Christians. Healthy Christians can help weak Christians. Rich Christians can help poor Christians. Friendly Christians can help lonely Christians. That is the reason for local churches.

This is your opinion but I see the different. Jesus dont like people to make the business from other people who have come here to worship faked God in the temple. (selling animals to sacrifice God eg.) I would compare the church with temple. Thats why I dont go church.

It is true that we should not limit our prayers and Bible study just to church time. Praying and Bible reading should happen throughout the day, every day of the week, not just Sunday. We can and should pray at home. But it is also good to meet together at church. Praying is important but sometimes it is nice to also put our arms around a person's shoulder for comfort, and smile into their faces.

Yeah, you can meet people anywhere and share your belief with them, not in church.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You can come to visit those link over that difference between bible and reglious.

http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=14296&highlight=bible