Who is the Biblical believer?!

mlkshkgrl said:
I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, but what does it matter which bible is so called "better" if the whole point is to accept jesus and serve him? What is the point in this argument?
I agree that we should not be arguing about the Bible. I think it is right to present the pros and cons of each version in an educated, respectful way.

I believe strongly in which Bible version I use. However, I also believe that God's Word does not return void, and thru the Holy Spirit, He can lead people to Jesus despite whatever version they use. The important thing is for a person to accept Jesus as Savior. Then, with the Holy Spirit's leading, the believer will grow in spiritual maturity, and want to dig deeper into Bible study. With that study, and surrender to God's will, the Christian can serve the Lord.
 
Askjo said:
If you do not believe in the Bible, why is the Bible here? That mean you are an atheist. Read Psalm 14:1 -- This verse said that these atheists are called, "FOOLS"! If the Bible is here, THERE IS GOD!!!

On other hand, if the Bible is not here, you would be right.

Hey, hey ! LOL Remember the story about "Thomas", the skeptical man ? Some people are just like him -- without faith. Some people want to SEE Him with their own eyes rather than havin' faith in Him. :D
 
Crazymanw00t said:
Are you nut?

Christian is a part of the reiligion. Yeah, Christian or Religion don't save you. Only Jesus Christ can save you. I want to mention that the KJV isn't best bible to use. I suggest you to use NASB it is almost perfect trasnlator from Greek bible.

"Christ" - ian is a person who believes in Christ. There's no such a "religion". Jesus don't have a religion. In another word, you can say by callin' Christian a "Jesus Freak". I am one of them. :)
 
CyberRed said:
"Christ" - ian is a person who believes in Christ. There's no such a "religion". Jesus don't have a religion. In another word, you can say by callin' Christian a "Jesus Freak". I am one of them. :)

Interesting with your points.

Religion is a group of people that worship general god.

Christian is part of the Religion group.
 
<---This woman is a biblical believer ! :D
 
I believe the bible is just a history book, filled with ancient tales. Keep in mind that writers wrote with their beliefs at that time - natural pheonoeom like earthquakes, volcanos, hurricanes, tornados, floods, etc.. that happened on earth were often misconsured as a wrath of God.

Word of God? If anyone tries to write "bible" today, they would be locked away in the padded room! So, why is it different back then?
 
mlkshkgrl said:
I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, but what does it matter which bible is so called "better" if the whole point is to accept jesus and serve him? What is the point in this argument?

LOL, I agree I don't see a point where we could sit down and agrue about which Bible is better than the other....

Everyone reads different Bible and that's better than which they should be reading...

As long you accept Jesus and serve Him that's all it matters!
 
Reba said:
Crazyman,

Just to add a little explanation:

Translating the words of the original text allows detailed word study and comparisons. Dynamic equivalency doesn't do that.
The Dynamic Equivalency is a new method of Bible translation. DE includes thought or idea translation, paraphrasing translation, impact translation, idiomatic translation, functional equivalency translation and common language translation.

However DE in any modern versions such as NIV, NASB, CEV, TEV, LB, etc., is very dangerous because it ignores Biblical principles. Let me explain.

1. DE denies the nature of the Bible.

2. DE ignores God's warnings about adding or taking away from God's Word. (Rev. 22:18-19, Deut. 4:2, Prov. 30:6)

3. DE confuses spiritual enlightement with nature understanding.

4. DE confuses the Holy Spirit's work with that of the translator.

5. DE changes God's Words substituting man's thoughts for God's words.

6. DE confuses translation with evangelism and teaching.

7. DE is based on half-truths.

8. DE is an improper answer to very real problems.

9. DE was created by a heretic.

Example:

Ephesians 2:8

KJV- For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

CEV - You were saved by faith in God, who treats us much better than we deserve. [a] This is God's gift to you, and not anything you have done on your own.

You see the difference between the KJV and the CEV. The CEV is wrong because it mistranslated from Greek to English. The CEV uses DE by adding, taking away or changing any words what translators wanted. You see "By grace" in CEV is MISSING!

Roman 3:25

KJV - Blood

TEV - Death

TEV is wrong because death is not translated from proper Greek word.

Look at the formal equivalency. Formal equivalency means translating word for word. Greek to English or Hebrew to English. Formal equivalency translation of a Greek word to an English word results in both words having the same meaning, in their own language. KJV uses formal equivalency.
 
Askjo said:


I see your point and I still saying that KJV is not best bible to study. NASB is best bible to study, period. Many scholars studies on the NASB than KJV.
 
Crazymanw00t said:
I see your point and I still saying that KJV is not best bible to study. NASB is best bible to study, period. Many scholars studies on the NASB than KJV.
Scholars? You mean naturalistic scholars???
 
Crazymanw00t said:
I see your point and I still saying that KJV is not best bible to study. NASB is best bible to study, period. Many scholars studies on the NASB than KJV.
Is NASB better than the KJV? No, the facts said that manuscript evidences supported the KJV - 99%!!! Manuscript evidences supported NASB - 1%!!
 
Askjo said:
Is NASB better than the KJV? No, the facts said that manuscript evidences supported the KJV - 99%!!! Manuscript evidences supported NASB - 1%!!


Are you sure? I mean that.
 
Askjo said:
Scholars? You mean naturalistic scholars???

Theologist scholars studies Greek, NASB, KJV, ESV and etc. They tends to study more on the Greek and NASB Bibles.
 
Crazymanw00t said:
Theologist scholars studies Greek, NASB, KJV, ESV and etc. They tends to study more on the Greek and NASB Bibles.
We have 2 sides of different scholars:

1. Naturalistic method

2. Consistently Christian method

They are not same because they disagree each other on textual criticism.
 
CyberRed said:
Hey, hey ! LOL Remember the story about "Thomas", the skeptical man ? Some people are just like him -- without faith. Some people want to SEE Him with their own eyes rather than havin' faith in Him. :D
Yep, that is right. Do you know that Jesus' disciples were rationalists?
 
Askjo said:
Yep, that is right. Do you know that Jesus' disciples were rationalists?

Yes, I do know that His disciples were rationalists. Are you one of them ?
 
^Angel^ said:
LOL, I agree I don't see a point where we could sit down and agrue about which Bible is better than the other....

Everyone reads different Bible and that's better than which they should be reading...

As long you accept Jesus and serve Him that's all it matters!
Indeed. I completely agree with you and mlkshkgrl.

I like this quote:
HiBluE01 said:
I believe in God. That is simple.
Source: http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=316816&postcount=57


You know the famous abbrev of K.I.S.S.? It is: Keep It Simple, Stupid :D

Swede said:
I believe the bible is just a history book, filled with ancient tales. Keep in mind that writers wrote with their beliefs at that time - natural pheonoeom like earthquakes, volcanos, hurricanes, tornados, floods, etc.. that happened on earth were often misconsured as a wrath of God.

Word of God? If anyone tries to write "bible" today, they would be locked away in the padded room! So, why is it different back then?
You nailed it perfectly. If you ask some conservative christians about Da Vinci Code and you will see the amazing result. They will constantly bash that book which is written by human as well as the Bible is written by humans too. I just don't get it. Well, I never get it for many years anyway. I did cover a bit about that in my post (scroll down a bit in my long post to read the bible comment).

As I said in that post, I do believe in the Bible but not with blind faith. Blind faith is very, very dangerous. It is perhaps the most dangerous WMD (weapon of mass destruction) along with ignorance on this earth.
 
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