US policeman used Taser on 72-year-old woman

[Jiro]

The cop was taking a risk using the taser gun on a 71 years old woman! It does not matter that lady was ok , there should be a law that elders can't be
zap . The fall can hurt them as their bones break very easy . I wonder how that cop would like this gone to his mother! And would you like this done to your mother Jiro?

sure. again - reread ASLGAL's post -

I heard about this incident and watched the video.

The officer used a less harmful way of managing the belligerent woman.
If the officer had allowed her to rant and rave into traffic and she were struck and hurt or killed the media, public, and her family would have been wanting his head for not stopping her ill behavior.
If the officer had used physical restraining holds and/or a night stick and broken bones (which is easily the result on an old person) the media, public, and her family would have wanted his head for being too physical.

I think this is a no win for the officer as it seems very few here and elsewhere are placing the responsibility squarely where it belongs - on the woman and her poor behavior.

Please tell me since you think you can do a better job and you know better than a police officer. What would you do?

 

[Cheri]

Please tell me since you think you can do a better job and you know better than a police officer. What would you do?

He could have turned her around and handcuffed her, if she strike back, then he could be able to use force, but he didn't, instead he use a taser on her when his life wasn't even in danger. He showed no intelligence at all. Wimp cops shouldn't be cops if they don't know how to handle a 72 years old woman.

 

[Jiro]

He could have turned her around and handcuffed her, if she strike back, then he could be able to use force, but he didn't, instead he use a taser on her when his life wasn't even in danger. He showed no intelligence at all. Wimp cops shouldn't be cops if they don't know how to handle a 72 years old woman.

Please look at 1:27 minutes in the video clip (link). He DID turn her around to handcuff her. She resisted arrest, forced her arm out of the officer's hand, and walked back to the car. the officer stopped her and pushed her back. The officer told her to SURRENDER but the old lady said "GO AHEAD, TASE ME. I DARE YOU"

 

[jillio]

No matter how you try to twist it, using a taser on a 72 year old woman for a speeding violation is excessive force. And the department that employs this officer agrees.

 

[Jiro]

Exactly. Around here we have red light cameras. If they catch you speeding or running a red light, they mail the ticket to you with your court date on it, or, if you choose, the amount of the fine, and where it can be paid.

So the old woman refused to sign the ticket. All that means is that she was disagreeing with the citation. Nothing prevented the cop from giving her the ticket anyway, noting that she refused to sign. The court date has been delivered to her that way. If she fails to show up for court, or to pay the fine, then the judge simply issues a bench warrant for "failure to appear" and the pick her up and take her to jail.

but this old lady was caught by cop for EXCESSIVE & RECKLESS speeding, not running thru red light. This is different from red light camera because only fines will be issued to whoever is registered to the car. No DMV points will be issued. When you get pulled over by cops, you will eventually get fines and DMV points. Not all states and towns have red light cameras (and it doesn't catch speeding violators).

I also agree. Call for back-up.

that's what he did

There is no need to taze a 72 year old, 4'11" unarmed woman simply because she is uncooperative with signing a ticket. Tazers are to be used to protect the officer from a direct threat of harm from a suspect. Even though this elderly woman was uncooperative, there is no indication whatsoever that she posed any sort of a threat to the officer. Any cop that is so afraid of a 4'11" 72 year old woman probably has no business being on patrol. What would happen if he ran up against a real criminal?

tazers are also used to protect the "arrestee" from hurting himself. The cop is not afraid of 4'11" 72 years old woman. The cop is concerned for her safety. He had to bring her under control because she was combative and argumentative. Do you rather prefer that the officer lets this woman back on the road... the one who disregards the laws like it's funny? A driver who does not obey the law and police officer deserve to be arrested and be permanently suspended from driving.

not one of you can tell me how can you do the better job than this police officer.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro---

You are seriously missing the point....

You always defends the police, is there ever a case where you don't agree with how the police handled the situation?

of course. check out my posts from wherever. There are some posts in there that I have scorned some police officers for being dumbass.

I'm not even defending the woman, I'm not saying she should have given a pass for speeding. She should be ticketed, she broke the law by speeding. I'm talking about using a taser on her was out of line.

A taser should be used when one feels one life is in danger, was his life in danger? No.

Unfortunately he is so lucky that she is alive--- women like her age have poor heart condition, she could have die from a taser, being 72 years old woman who is so much smaller than the officer is, and who could have went into cardiac or respiratory arrest.

if she has a poor heart condition - she would not be able to be combative. She would suffer heart attack LONG before the officer tazes her

In fact - with a poor heart condition - she would not be able to drive either! I guess the officer does have common sense after all. you're just clinging onto the fact that she's 72 years old small old lady vs. big cop while ignoring the big picture. What if it's a small cop? What if it's a female older cop?

 

[whatdidyousay!]

He could have turned her around and handcuffed her, if she strike back, then he could be able to use force, but he didn't, instead he use a taser on her when his life wasn't even in danger. He showed no intelligence at all. Wimp cops shouldn't be cops if they don't know how to handle a 72 years old woman.

Does anyone know why the woman was not in her car? Was she told to get out by the cop or did get out on her own? I do not think fair to handcufffed 71 years old behind her back ,I think they should be handcuffed in front. I agree with Cheri , the guy is not fit to be a cop if he has to use a taser gun on an old lady!

 

[jillio]

but this old lady was caught by cop for EXCESSIVE & RECKLESS speeding, not running thru red light. This is different from red light camera because only fines will be issued to whoever is registered to the car. No DMV points will be issued. When you get pulled over by cops, you will eventually get fines and DMV points. Not all states and towns have red light cameras (and it doesn't catch speeding violators).


that's what he did


tazers are also used to protect the "arrestee" from hurting himself. The cop is not afraid of 4'11" 72 years old woman. The cop is concerned for her safety. He had to bring her under control because she was combative and argumentative. Do you rather prefer that the officer lets this woman back on the road... the one who disregards the laws like it's funny? A driver who does not obey the law and police officer deserve to be arrested and be permanently suspended from driving.

not one of you can tell me how can you do the better job than this police officer.

Excessive and reckless speeding? Where exactly did you see that listed on her charges? She was going 15 miles an hour over the speed limit. Given that most officers will give you 10 for free, 5 miles is hardly excessive. And no where does it say she was being cited for reckless driving.

Wrong again. Red light cameras also monitor speed, and they are subject to points issued by the DMV.

Yeah, he was real concerned about her safety.:roll: That's why he sent electric jolts through her body.:roll:

 

[Bottesini]

15 miles over is actually quite a bit. They can take your license away for it.

 

[Cheri]

Please look at 1:27 minutes in the video clip (link). He DID turn her around to handcuff her. She resisted arrest, forced her arm out of the officer's hand, and walked back to the car. the officer stopped her and pushed her back. The officer told her to SURRENDER but the old lady said "GO AHEAD, TASE ME. I DARE YOU"

Jiro, He only had grabbed one of her arm, why didn't he grabbed them both quickly and fast so then he would have no trouble cuffing her. I can't believe an officer this big cannot manage to arrest a 72 years old woman. The joke is on him.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

of course. check out my posts from wherever. There are some posts in there that I have scorned some police officers for being dumbass.



if she has a poor heart condition - she would not be able to be combative. She would suffer heart attack LONG before the officer tazes her

In fact - with a poor heart condition - she would not be able to drive either! I guess the officer does have common sense after all. you're just clinging onto the fact that she's 72 years old small old lady vs. big cop while ignoring the big picture. What if it's a small cop? What if it's a female older cop?

People with bad hearts do drive , my dad drove a car up to the day he day he dies and he had a bad heart! I was a health aid for amost 9 years and I took care of a lot people with bad that drove their car and some mu my clients were very combative! Some were down right nasty and very out spoken! I am not sure were you're getting from facts froms . My sister has a poor heart and she drive to and she will put up good fight ! And my dad never had accidents in all the 60 years he drove a car!

 

[jillio]

Speeding penalties

 

[Jiro]

Excessive and reckless speeding? Where exactly did you see that listed on her charges? She was going 15 miles an hour over the speed limit. Given that most officers will give you 10 for free, 5 miles is hardly excessive. And no where does it say she was being cited for reckless driving.

60 mph is still excessive and reckless in ANY situation. She was speeding 20 mph OVER the speed limit (40 mph). No officer is going to let you go for free in excess of 20mph violation.

Wrong again. Red light cameras also monitor speed, and they are subject to points issued by the DMV.

DMV points can only be issued if the driver is identifiable. In most cases - it isn't.

3. In states like California and Oregon, a vehicle’s driver is responsible for red-light camera violations. In Illinois, the vehicle’s registered owner gets the ticket, no matter who’s driving. Such citations should not affect your driving record."

4. An Illinois red-light ticket does not affect your driving record or insurance rates, although, like a parking ticket, cities can move to suspend your license if you don’t pay.

5. Illinois law prohibits red-light cameras from capturing images of a driver’s face, which is why all cameras in the state capture only pictures and video of a vehicle’s rear. Because of this, Redflex never forwards potential red-light tickets for tractor-trailers, because the license plate on the trailer—the only one the camera sees—is rarely registered to the truck’s operator. RedSpeed does, however, forward such infractions to their client cities.
(source)

Here's your state regarding red light cameras - Ohio House Votes to Ban Red Light Cameras

The use of red light camera is extremely extremely limited because it was ruled as legal headache and perhaps unconstitutional. That's why it's not widely used. it is usually limited to cities for catching drivers running thru red light and driving too fast at EZ Pass toll booth.

Yeah, he was real concerned about her safety.:roll: That's why he sent electric jolts through her body.:roll:

better than broken arms.

 

[Jiro]

Speeding penalties

why are you showing me speeding penalty for Australia? This happened in Texas.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro, He only had grabbed one of her arm, why didn't he grabbed them both quickly and fast so then he would have no trouble cuffing her. I can't believe an officer this big cannot manage to arrest a 72 years old woman. The joke is on him.

Why did Howard missed three throws? Why did they bench Nelson for full 4th quarter? Why didn't Dale Earnhardt, Sr. hit the brake to avoid getting hit by a car?

why why why why why? :roll:

 

[Jiro]

an error in my post #43. She was speeding 60 on 45 (not 40). either way - speeding at 60 mph on ANY road even interstate highway is DANGEROUS and SERIOUS especially for elders and teens.

This is not just a simple "15 mph extra" because that is misleading. She wasn't speeding 35 on 20. She was speeding 60. I'm sorry but I do not trust elders driving that fast (no offense to our elder ADers) but the numbers do not lie. Majority of accidents are caused by teens and elders.

 

[jillio]

60 mph is still excessive and reckless in ANY situation. She was speeding 20 mph OVER the speed limit (40 mph). No officer is going to let you go for free in excess of 20mph violation.

Look again. She was going 60 in a 45, not a 40. That is 15 mph over. And 60 is not reckless and excessive in ANY situation. There are many, many situations in which driving 60 miles an hour is acceptable and safe.

DMV points can only be issued if the driver is identifiable. In most cases - it isn't.

Then I guess you'd better come to Ohio and get it straightened out. :roll:


Here's your state regarding red light cameras - Ohio House Votes to Ban Red Light Cameras

The use of red light camera is extremely extremely limited because it was ruled as legal headache and perhaps unconstitutional. That's why it's not widely used. it is usually limited to cities for catching drivers running thru red light and driving too fast at EZ Pass toll booth.

Like I said, I guess you'd better come to Ohio and get it straightened out, because they are using them here to monitor speed and red lights.
better than broken arms.

What makes you think her arms would have been broken? If the officer had used such force as to break a bone, that would have been excessive, too.:roll: The woman was not doing a freaking drive by shooting.

 

[jillio]

an error in my post #43. She was speeding 60 on 45 (not 40). either way - speeding at 60 mph on ANY road even interstate highway is DANGEROUS and SERIOUS especially for elders and teens.

This is not just a simple "15 mph extra" because that is misleading. She wasn't speeding 35 on 20. She was speeding 60. I'm sorry but I do not trust elders driving that fast (no offense to our elder ADers) but the numbers do not lie. Majority of accidents are caused by teens and elders.

Funny. The speed limit on the interstates here is 65 mph. Hardly supports your point that going 60 on interstates is excessive and reckless.

 

[jillio]

an error in my post #43. She was speeding 60 on 45 (not 40). either way - speeding at 60 mph on ANY road even interstate highway is DANGEROUS and SERIOUS especially for elders and teens.

This is not just a simple "15 mph extra" because that is misleading. She wasn't speeding 35 on 20. She was speeding 60. I'm sorry but I do not trust elders driving that fast (no offense to our elder ADers) but the numbers do not lie. Majority of accidents are caused by teens and elders.

It is still a 15 mph excess. It is relational according to what the posted speed limit is.

 

[Jiro]

Look again. She was going 60 in a 45, not a 40. That is 15 mph over. And 60 is not reckless and excessive in ANY situation. There are many, many situations in which driving 60 miles an hour is acceptable and safe.

so is the driver who disobeys the laws and police officer acceptable and safe?

Then I guess you'd better come to Ohio and get it straightened out.

Like I said, I guess you'd better come to Ohio and get it straightened out, because they are using them here to monitor speed and red lights.

I'm just showing you what I found. You can show me the link instead. I don't need to go to your state to find out.

What makes you think her arms would have been broken? If the officer had used such force as to break a bone, that would have been excessive, too.:roll: The woman was not doing a freaking drive by shooting.

Because elders' bones are fragile. Elders can fight and sustain injury. Never underestimate adrenaline rush even in elder. The officer will firmly hold the arm but the elder would move around and may break the arm during the process. Not necessarily an excessive force.