The immigration thread

[Deafguy25]

Indian Treaties, Acts and Agreements

Are you actually defending the government doing this? What's next, slavery was for their "own good"?

 

[Steinhauer]

Yes, the Native Americans saved the colonists' lives. That was the first Thanksgiving. Then they repaid them by giving them blankets infected with small pox. The Straight Dope: Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox?

Native Americans did worse - gang raping pilgrim women, taking children and women as slaves, scalping and killing men. Cutting their horses open and sewing the men inside the horse, tying all four limbs and pulling in opposite directions, the list goes on and on.

 

[Steinhauer]

Are you actually defending the government doing this? What's next, slavery was for their "own good"?

Natives attempted to enslave the pilgrims ... or don't they teach you that in History anymore? You do realize one tribe/nation would go to war against another - attempting to wipe them out right? Some tribes were peaceful - others were not.

During the Civil War, The State of Minnessota was over run and entire villages were being burned to the ground by Native Americans. The POW's in prison camps in the South were freed so they could go home and defend their State.

 

[DeafCaroline]

The big question here is how much are taxpayers willing to pay to do any of those things? It would cost billions, and if taxpayers are not willing to pay more in taxes, then other government programs will suffer, like, um, public education.

 

[Beowulf]

Native Americans did worse - gang raping pilgrim women, taking children and women as slaves, scalping and killing men. Cutting their horses open and sewing the men inside the horse, tying all four limbs and pulling in opposite directions, the list goes on and on.

Don't pull your punches, tell us how you feel about Native Americans.

 

[DeafCaroline]

Natives attempted to enslave the pilgrims ... or don't they teach you that in History anymore? You do realize one tribe/nation would go to war against another - attempting to wipe them out right? Some tribes were peaceful - others were not.

Oh and the poor widdle pilgrims didn't do anything like mass genocides. hmm. And to this day, good ole Americans still rape, pillage, enslave, murder, etc.

 

[Beowulf]

Oh and the poor widdle pilgrims didn't do anything like mass genocides. hmm. And to this day, good ole Americans still rape, pillage, enslave, murder, etc.

And they write history they way they see fit.

 

[Deafguy25]

Native Americans did worse - gang raping pilgrim women, taking children and women as slaves, scalping and killing men. Cutting their horses open and sewing the men inside the horse, tying all four limbs and pulling in opposite directions, the list goes on and on.

And of course colonists never did anything like that...:roll:

The colonist were seeking to completely annihilate the natives. They wanted the land and wanted the previous "tenants" gone.

It would be the equivalent of Mexicans crossing the river and then committing genocide to get rid of Americans.

 

[Secretblend]

Basically everybody that is HUMAN is at fault for something.. nobody is perfect. Indians and whites both have done wrong to each other.. Simple as that!

 

[chocoholic]

even in modern times the natives have been mistreated by north american governments forced into residential schools where they weren't allowed to speak their language also taken away from their families and given to white families to "civilize them" and that was very recent history

 

[shel90]

That is very interesting that you would use the word "stolen" when Native Americans had no concept of land ownership. They felt the land belonged to everyone.

Yea, Native Americans were killed for the land that they thought belonged to everyone. Sure...they were the stupid ones.

 

[Steinhauer]

Basically everybody that is HUMAN is at fault for something.. nobody is perfect. Indians and whites both have done wrong to each other.. Simple as that!

Exactly. Nations are born out of bloodshed.

 

[Steinhauer]

Yea, Native Americans were killed for the land that they thought belonged to everyone. Sure...they were the stupid ones.

Iroquois and Cherokee went to war with each other over land they claimed belonged to everyone. If land belongs to everyone, how can it get stolen?

Remember the term "indian giver"? It is a reference to the number of times Native Americans violated treaties.

 

[Steinhauer]

even in modern times the natives have been mistreated by north american governments forced into residential schools where they weren't allowed to speak their language also taken away from their families and given to white families to "civilize them" and that was very recent history

The Native Americans tried to do the exact same thing to the Colonists.

It was called assimilation. However, every other "race" was assimilated and none were given tax free status and reservations by the Federal Government.

 

[DeafCaroline]

Iroquois and Cherokee went to war with each other over land they claimed belonged to everyone. If land belongs to everyone, how can it get stolen?

Remember the term "indian giver"? It is a reference to the number of times Native Americans violated treaties.

Wikipedia:

The term "Indian gift" was first noted in 1765 by Thomas Hutchinson and "Indian giver" was first cited in John Russell Bartlett's Dictionary of Americanisms (1860) as "Indian giver. When an Indian gives any thing, he expects to receive an equivalent, or to have his gift returned."

Thus it was really an exchange of gifts and not a matter of selfishness.

Indian giver is a slur.

 

[DeafCaroline]

The Native Americans tried to do the exact same thing to the Colonists.

It was called assimilation. However, every other "race" was assimilated and none were given tax free status and reservations by the Federal Government.

Other races were assimilated into an already existing American society. It was the first American settlers who failed to assimilate with the natives and in fact, forced them off their lands and flat out killed and slaughtered them.

that's a little different.

 

[Beowulf]

Iroquois and Cherokee went to war with each other over land they claimed belonged to everyone. If land belongs to everyone, how can it get stolen?

Remember the term "indian giver"? It is a reference to the number of times Native Americans violated treaties.

What??? That is offensive. It means to give something, and then take it back. It is most likely derived from the paleface assumption that a loan was a gift. :roll:

 

[Steinhauer]

What??? That is offensive. It means to give something, and then take it back. It is most likely derived from the paleface assumption that a loan was a gift. :roll:

That would only have to be derived from land ownership - which the Natives claim they have no concept of. A loan implies ownership .... :roll:

 

[Steinhauer]

Burying the hatchet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Who was the person made famous by the phrase "I will fight no more forever" ?

 

[Beowulf]

That would only have to be derived from land ownership - which the Natives claim they have no concept of. A loan implies ownership .... :roll:

Just land? What about horses? Their Native American females?