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Yes, my definition is different. When someone breaks into another person's home and takes things they did not work for, it is not called "helping them out".
... Other: none of the above.
Fuck treating human beings like they're "illegal" for existing. Fuck punishing people who feed and clothe them. Fuck punishing employers who give them jobs so they can live. Fuck spending tax money and resources on a bunch of angry guys with guns at the borders scaring away people trying to get a better life. Fuck forcing "illegals" into silence when this process victimizes them and leaves them too scared to report crime or injustice. Fuck punishing their children who never made the choice to be "illegals". Fuck a system that demands its pound of flesh from someone, somewhere.
I choose other. I choose real changes to the deeply flawed US immigration system. I choose recognizing that people are HUMANS who have every right to the earth as you, not "illegal aliens".
Not if they are here legally - the argument is so flawed.
100% of illegals = liars and thieves. They do not care about law abiding citizens and slap the face of those who came here legally.
here's a problem - this country was taken from the natives.... and it was built by immigrants. So your argument has deeply flawed and hypocritical.
Who came here legally? Are you talking about the white men who showed up and stole the land from it's native people? Where those the "legal immigrants" they are "slapping the face of"?
By the way, my vote is NONE OF THE ABOVE. If we want to get Mexicans to stop wanting to cross the border for safety and jobs, we need to help Mexico become a safe place that has a economic system that can support jobs for its citizens. Seriously, would you want to live and work in Mexico? I would be first in line to try to cross the border!
You are forgetting about the treaties.
That is very interesting that you would use the word "stolen" when Native Americans had no concept of land ownership. They felt the land belonged to everyone.
How this go with what I say?? I say we need take better care each other. That mean not giving a shit where someone had good/bad fortune be born, just saying because they human and I human, this mean whoever in position to help other have duty do so!! Why not anyone who want allowed live America?? YOUR ancestors come somewhere else. Why they allowed, not me? Arbitrary. Socialism is our duty as part our humanity. We lose our humanity, we treat life as time only for make money, is very sad world left. Life purpose not money...life purpose love. Love everywhere we can find it, make it, save it, introduce it, savour it.
But the white people took the land without any intention of sharing it with the natives.
Show me where.
Where did "Thanksgiving" come from?
Are you kidding?
What the hell does that have to do with immigration? You are getting your hatreds confused.
what happened to jamestown?
The colonists started a trade business with the native americans. Then, when treaties were broken, the colonists defended themselves.
In the United States, the modern Thanksgiving holiday tradition traces its origins to a 1621 celebration at Plymouth in present-day Massachusetts. There is also evidence for an earlier harvest celebration on the continent by Spanish explorers in Florida during 1565, as well as thanksgiving feasts in the Virginia Colony. The initial thanksgiving observance at Virginia in 1619 was prompted by the colonists' leaders on the anniversary of the settlement.[7] The 1621 Plymouth feast and thanksgiving was prompted by a good harvest. In later years, the tradition was continued by civil leaders such as Governor Bradford who planned a thanksgiving celebration and fast in 1623.[8][9][10] While initially, the Plymouth colony did not have enough food to feed half of the 102 colonists, the Wampanoag Native Americans helped the Pilgrims by providing seeds and teaching them to fish. The practice of holding an annual harvest festival like this however, did not become a regular affair in New England until the late 1660s.[11]
Thanksgiving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You are arguing with a Native American - just so you know.
The Pilgrims celebrated Thanksgiving with the Native Americans.
Nope. I am laughing with them. The Native Americans broke the treaties??? Oh please.
Nowhere does it say that in the article you quoted, anyway.
Thanksgiving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You are arguing with a Native American - just so you know. My Grandmother's Nation - Miami people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Pilgrims celebrated Thanksgiving with the Native Americans.
Then you cannot read pale-face.
Now, we could turn this thread into an informative one about the tactics used by the Native Americans when they declared war and broke treaties .... but I paid attention in History class.Indian Treaties 1778-1883 were one of the ways the United States Government used to remove the Indian population from their Native Soil. Many of the treaties were broken almost as soon as they were written and not always by the Indians. (But the majority of the time - they were broken by the Native Americans - emphasis, mine). The removal of the Indians was necessary for the US Governments expansion to the West.