The immigration thread

How to best manage illegal immigrants?

  • Increase funding for enforcement and patrols

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Build better border fencing

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Increase penalties for companies hiring them

    Votes: 7 100.0%

  • Adapt laws that encourage police to ID "suspected" illegals

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    7
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Steinhauer said:
Yes, my definition is different. When someone breaks into another person's home and takes things they did not work for, it is not called "helping them out".
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How this go with what I say?? I say we need take better care each other. That mean not giving a shit where someone had good/bad fortune be born, just saying because they human and I human, this mean whoever in position to help other have duty do so!! Why not anyone who want allowed live America?? YOUR ancestors come somewhere else. Why they allowed, not me? Arbitrary. Socialism is our duty as part our humanity. We lose our humanity, we treat life as time only for make money, is very sad world left. Life purpose not money...life purpose love. Love everywhere we can find it, make it, save it, introduce it, savour it.
 
Aleser said:
... Other: none of the above.

Fuck treating human beings like they're "illegal" for existing. Fuck punishing people who feed and clothe them. Fuck punishing employers who give them jobs so they can live. Fuck spending tax money and resources on a bunch of angry guys with guns at the borders scaring away people trying to get a better life. Fuck forcing "illegals" into silence when this process victimizes them and leaves them too scared to report crime or injustice. Fuck punishing their children who never made the choice to be "illegals". Fuck a system that demands its pound of flesh from someone, somewhere.

I choose other. I choose real changes to the deeply flawed US immigration system. I choose recognizing that people are HUMANS who have every right to the earth as you, not "illegal aliens".
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I gotta say that this sounds like a hybrid homage to SubUrbia and Trainspotting. I like it.

I have a very very strong feeling that if a person who is anti-illegals were in the shoes of the average illegal immigrant... he would still do the same thing.. he still would try to come to the US for a better life... especially if you have kids.

I am all for E-verify and making sure employers are hiring legal people. However, I am also for making it easier for immigrants to become legal to work so that we can tax them.
 
Steinhauer said:
Not if they are here legally - the argument is so flawed.

100% of illegals = liars and thieves. They do not care about law abiding citizens and slap the face of those who came here legally.
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Who came here legally? Are you talking about the white men who showed up and stole the land from it's native people? Where those the "legal immigrants" they are "slapping the face of"?

By the way, my vote is NONE OF THE ABOVE. If we want to get Mexicans to stop wanting to cross the border for safety and jobs, we need to help Mexico become a safe place that has a economic system that can support jobs for its citizens. Seriously, would you want to live and work in Mexico? I would be first in line to try to cross the border!
 
Jiro said:
here's a problem - this country was taken from the natives.... and it was built by immigrants. So your argument has deeply flawed and hypocritical.
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You are forgetting about the treaties.
 
Deafguy25 said:
Who came here legally? Are you talking about the white men who showed up and stole the land from it's native people? Where those the "legal immigrants" they are "slapping the face of"?

By the way, my vote is NONE OF THE ABOVE. If we want to get Mexicans to stop wanting to cross the border for safety and jobs, we need to help Mexico become a safe place that has a economic system that can support jobs for its citizens. Seriously, would you want to live and work in Mexico? I would be first in line to try to cross the border!
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That is very interesting that you would use the word "stolen" when Native Americans had no concept of land ownership. They felt the land belonged to everyone.
 
Steinhauer said:
You are forgetting about the treaties.
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Are you denying that the "colonists" murdered and stole the land from natives? Do you really believe that some useless treaties that the leaders were duped into signed (when they likely couldn't read them) actually matter?
 
Steinhauer said:
That is very interesting that you would use the word "stolen" when Native Americans had no concept of land ownership. They felt the land belonged to everyone.
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But the white people took the land without any intention of sharing it with the natives.
 
sunny_signs said:
How this go with what I say?? I say we need take better care each other. That mean not giving a shit where someone had good/bad fortune be born, just saying because they human and I human, this mean whoever in position to help other have duty do so!! Why not anyone who want allowed live America?? YOUR ancestors come somewhere else. Why they allowed, not me? Arbitrary. Socialism is our duty as part our humanity. We lose our humanity, we treat life as time only for make money, is very sad world left. Life purpose not money...life purpose love. Love everywhere we can find it, make it, save it, introduce it, savour it.
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There is the issue of "legal immigration" you are purposefully (?) not addressing. There is a "legal" way for foreigners to become citizens of the U.S.

Those that cross into our border without doing it "legally" are criminals. Criminals break into people's houses and take things that do not belong to them and think it is their "right".

That is exactly what illegals are doing to our country.
 
jillio said:
What the hell does that have to do with immigration? You are getting your hatreds confused.:lol:
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Do you even know how to follow along? Or your reading must be at 3 grade level?
My reply was to answer Jiro's comment about "rigidness” post 62
I'll die before I give up the fight to put the catholic church out of business.
But you...you would just sit those priest down and let them make excuses for their criminal acts against children.
 
steinhauer said:
what happened to jamestown?

The colonists started a trade business with the native americans. Then, when treaties were broken, the colonists defended themselves.
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lol!!!!
 
In the United States, the modern Thanksgiving holiday tradition traces its origins to a 1621 celebration at Plymouth in present-day Massachusetts. There is also evidence for an earlier harvest celebration on the continent by Spanish explorers in Florida during 1565, as well as thanksgiving feasts in the Virginia Colony. The initial thanksgiving observance at Virginia in 1619 was prompted by the colonists' leaders on the anniversary of the settlement.[7] The 1621 Plymouth feast and thanksgiving was prompted by a good harvest. In later years, the tradition was continued by civil leaders such as Governor Bradford who planned a thanksgiving celebration and fast in 1623.[8][9][10] While initially, the Plymouth colony did not have enough food to feed half of the 102 colonists, the Wampanoag Native Americans helped the Pilgrims by providing seeds and teaching them to fish. The practice of holding an annual harvest festival like this however, did not become a regular affair in New England until the late 1660s.[11]
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Thanksgiving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are arguing with a Native American - just so you know. My Grandmother's Nation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Indians

The Pilgrims celebrated Thanksgiving with the Native Americans.
 
Beowulf said:
Nope. I am laughing with them. The Native Americans broke the treaties??? Oh please.
Nowhere does it say that in the article you quoted, anyway.
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Then you cannot read pale-face.
 
Steinhauer said:
Thanksgiving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are arguing with a Native American - just so you know. My Grandmother's Nation - Miami people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Pilgrims celebrated Thanksgiving with the Native Americans.
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Yes, the Native Americans saved the colonists' lives. That was the first Thanksgiving. Then they repaid them by giving them blankets infected with small pox. The Straight Dope: Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox?
 
Indian Treaties, Acts and Agreements

Indian Treaties 1778-1883 were one of the ways the United States Government used to remove the Indian population from their Native Soil. Many of the treaties were broken almost as soon as they were written and not always by the Indians. (But the majority of the time - they were broken by the Native Americans - emphasis, mine). The removal of the Indians was necessary for the US Governments expansion to the West.
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Now, we could turn this thread into an informative one about the tactics used by the Native Americans when they declared war and broke treaties .... but I paid attention in History class.
 
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