The Death Penalty

[zips]

Zips,

Not a bad idea at that. I'm sure somebody will have a problem with it.

Aye no doubt...but someone will always try and help the not so innocent!! They just as bad in my eyes!!

zips x

 

[zips]

Agreed. She seemed to be the one in control of the situation. Yeah, when you apply it to your own child, it does make a difference in your perspective. And the evidence in that case was so strong that there was absolutely no doubt of guilt.

Too right...shame about the "do-gooders" tho!!

zips x

 

[jillio]

Too right...shame about the "do-gooders" tho!!

zips x

To be sure!

 

[Kuifje75]

I do not support the death penalty, however, I do not support housing the prisoners in prisons equiped with luxuries. I think a prison should mean just that, and I don't care if a spartan lifestyle is considered "unjust" punishment for prisoners, but I think that is the very point of the prisons. Take away their gameboys, libraries, etc... Of course, I intend to mean that for the sentenced-for-life prisoners. It is sometimes amazing how stupid the government can be, spending too much than necessary.

 

[Cloggy]

Kuifje,

Where did you come up with that name... It's pure Dutch/Vlaams!!

"Once done is better than ten times seen."

 

[Kuifje75]

Ja, ik weet dat Kuifje is nederlands.
Ik kan niet spraken goed nederlands, sorry!

When I was growing up, people said that I look like the Belgian comic figure, Tintin. Even my hair is styled a bit like his. Plus, I love to travel and go on adventures. So, it seemed that the name suited me well.

When I visited Netherlands in 1999, my ex and I went shopping separately, and later on, he surprised me by giving me a Dutch version of one of Tintin's comic figures. Obviously, it says "De Avonturen van Kuifje" and it was the "Mannen op de Maan" that he gave me.

When I chose my screenname for my IM, I saw that Tintin75 was already taken, so I tried Kuifje75 and it was not taken. So, I have stuck with it ever since then.

You're funny with your quote, whilst it is true, I think I will stick with mine because of the relevancy to deafness.

 

[Badboy2]

About death penalty

I believe that death penalty have right do do for who are mudered. But bad luck our country have no law right dead penalty. We still fight. Too many people sitting in prisoner and enjoy free food, study and get very few grant. Then come free out.

Who man rape woman must cut in pvt bec next time cant rape again.

:rl: :rl: to people who kill the another person.

 

[Lil_country_gal]

here in minnesota.. we don't have a law related to death pentaly however they did give death pentaly to few people who done terriable crime.. but its not on record.. except one guy who raped a girl and murder her.. and run to north dakota.. since its public.. because its a federal crime so we have to follow the federal law.. so we had to excute that guy.. can't remmy name.

The case your talking about is the case of Dru Sjodin and her murder Alfonso Rodriguz.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It's not about taking their life for a satisfaction. It's all about justice being serve to those who've lost their lives.

To me, it is a revenge because victims lost their life to killers. I would consider the death penatly as murder the same if they put killers to death. Punish killers is sentence them life to share with volience there. They will suffer there. Death penatly is like put them sleep like we did with pets to save their suffer.

Question to you, Liebling. Supposedly for example, your son get killed from a viciously violent crime, Would you want this violent criminal spend a life in prison with luxuries, or spend 23 years in prison then on his good terms behavior he is out on parole, or death penalty? You choose and explain your reasons too.

Answer your question:

It will never solve anything to satisfy myself to see killer to death or sentence to life, 23 years or whatever after what he/she did my son because I will never have my son back forever...

I do not support luxuries, death penatly or less years prison but support sentence to life...

It would make me bitter if I do something out of revenge... It doesn´t solve anything but more hurt... I don´t want that.

Also, I wanted to add in general that let's not forget about what had happen and could happen when a violent criminals breaks out of prison, which meaning escaped from prison when those violent criminals were sentenced to life in prison. It's like walking on egg shells, Everyone would be frighten, wondering where these criminals are heading to, who they're going to kill next? Is that the way we should live our life being afraid and having to watch our backs?

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Yes I aware it. I would say it´s rare for them to escape out of prison since they make more and more secure for the prisoners.


I would ask you question the same: I know it´s hyporical question...

You know the killers, sex crimes, etc have parents? You never know that our children could be one of them... I do not wish to say that your and my children could be one of them but how do you feel if they punish your son to death? I bet you would say that you prefer to see him sentence to life in prison. That´s exactly why I do not support death penatly... I rather to see my son stay in prison to life.

OR

How do you feel if your son keep on vow that he is innoncent until put him to death for nothing then found out later that it´s not him?

 

[JLFWildKat]

In a way I guess I do, depending on the crime & on severe it is. But with lethal Injection, its a painless process. Electric chair the can suffer like they made the victim. But also giving them the death penalty is the quick way out. When the get "Life" in prison with NO Parole. They pay for their crime for the rest of their life. But then again when the die right away from the death penalty the quicker the have their one way ticket straight to hell & have to deal with no one but the devil himself.

I guess you can say I got mixed feelings on this subject.

 

[diehardbiker]

I think painless death penalty is way too easy for most criminals! I just wish that most of death penalty to include painful as a final lesson. Anyway, I was in favor of death penalty until I learn about Admax "The alcatraz on the rockies" or "The tomb" as refer to most attorneys. I find that Admax seems to do better job in punishing these crooks! What is Admax? It is much like a hole that you have to live in there for rest of your life with NOBODY to interact, nobody to talk with, just 99.99% soliditary confidenment, Whats even worse, you have no friggin idea exact where you are, and that lights remains on 24 hours each day, no break and you got to eat in the hole, sleep on concrete bed and have a camera watching you all the time. Since 1992, almost all inmates who entered there ended up got their mind messed up big time after just 3 months! What I like about Admax is that the crimainals HAVE to sit and wait for their natural death to come up. That really messed up their mind! And they deserve that! Escape? Almost impossible! There is too many barriers there with technologies and silent attack dogs (Dogs were trained not to make any sounds UNTIL in front of a person! like in surprise) And there is only way to gain access there is by only one tunnel. Depending on the nature of crime, those who classified the top rank worst crime is NOT allowed to have any visitors of any kind except only attorney who represent the criminals is allowed.

 

[sr171soars]

I think painless death penalty is way too easy for most criminals! I just wish that most of death penalty to include painful as a final lesson. Anyway, I was in favor of death penalty until I learn about Admax "The alcatraz on the rockies" or "The tomb" as refer to most attorneys. I find that Admax seems to do better job in punishing these crooks! What is Admax? It is much like a hole that you have to live in there for rest of your life with NOBODY to interact, nobody to talk with, just 99.99% soliditary confidenment, Whats even worse, you have no friggin idea exact where you are, and that lights remains on 24 hours each day, no break and you got to eat in the hole, sleep on concrete bed and have a camera watching you all the time. Since 1992, almost all inmates who entered there ended up got their mind messed up big time after just 3 months! What I like about Admax is that the crimainals HAVE to sit and wait for their natural death to come up. That really messed up their mind! And they deserve that! Escape? Almost impossible! There is too many barriers there with technologies and silent attack dogs (Dogs were trained not to make any sounds UNTIL in front of a person! like in surprise) And there is only way to gain access there is by only one tunnel.

Love the concept! That is true punishment. I always felt that solitary confinement was the way to go even if it costs so much. Just think of finally breaking the backs of the prison gangs this way. Can't talk to the guy in your cell, mealtime, rec time and etc. I can understand why they lose it mentally after a couple of months. Man is a social animal and take away the social aspect and insanity beckons them. Quite poetic if you ask me. Of course, there are always those (real hardcases) it doesn't affect greatly but that is rare. They gotta sit there and think about it forever...

 

[diehardbiker]

Actually it is cheaper that way in long run because it minimize the need of officer being present. Remember, at ADmax, each cell has its own camera to monitor from control room. Meaning less people is needed to save money on labor. Because of tighter control, there is no way any inmates can start the riot or get involved. Believe it or not, only one prisoner at a time can come out of a cell! And any other prisoner can NOT see the hallway, therefore can not do much anything to cause trouble. Most of the time 2 guards, sometimes three is used to escort the prisoner. Even worse, the prison is always chained and shacked before coming out of the cell. Making it nearly impossible to injury the guards. Hey, the guards do NOT carry keys, the door locks and unlocks from the central control room. That way, it is under tight control.

Love the concept! That is true punishment. I always felt that solitary confinement was the way to go even if it costs so much. Just think of finally breaking the backs of the prison gangs this way. Can't talk to the guy in your cell, mealtime, rec time and etc. I can understand why they lose it mentally after a couple of months. Man is a social animal and take away the social aspect and insanity beckons them. Quite poetic if you ask me. Of course, there are always those (real hardcases) it doesn't affect greatly but that is rare. They gotta sit there and think about it forever...

 

[jazzy]

I never really believe in death penatly even after watched this awful video from Iran, my friend send it to me to watch. I got so sick after watch it and I think people who made the decision to put them death are worst monster and killers, they should be punished for stone those people to death.

 

[Reba]

To me, it is a revenge because victims lost their life to killers.

It's not "revenge" because the execution is carried out by the state following the laws that protect society. It's NOT the victims' family executing the killer.

I would consider the death penatly as murder the same if they put killers to death.

Murderers kill innocent victims. People who are executed for capital crimes are NOT innocent victims. They are killers, rapists, and pedophiles. BIG difference between the criminals and the victims.

I support the victims and their families.

Punish killers is sentence them life to share with volience there. They will suffer there.

A "life" sentence doesn't always mean they stay in prison for the rest of life. Sometimes it's only a few years. Do you think that is fair?

Death penatly is like put them sleep like we did with pets to save their suffer.

If you think the death penalty is the same thing as putting pets to sleep, then are you against putting pets to sleep?

It will never solve anything to satisfy myself to see killer to death or sentence to life, 23 years or whatever after what he/she did my son because I will never have my son back forever...

The reason for a death penalty is NOT to satisfy the family. The reason is to show society that murder, rape, pedophilia, and certain other crimes, are so serious that they are punished by death.

It would make me bitter if I do something out of revenge... It doesn´t solve anything but more hurt... I don´t want that.

The decision is not up to you. The courts decide the penalty, and the government executes it. It's not the families' decision.

Yes I aware it. I would say it´s rare for them to escape out of prison since they make more and more secure for the prisoners.

But it does happen.

You know the killers, sex crimes, etc have parents? You never know that our children could be one of them... I do not wish to say that your and my children could be one of them but how do you feel if they punish your son to death? I bet you would say that you prefer to see him sentence to life in prison. That´s exactly why I do not support death penatly... I rather to see my son stay in prison to life.

Of course no one "likes" the death penalty, and no one wants it to happen to a family member. But the families don't make that decision, just like the families of the victims don't have a choice when their loved one is murdered. The justice process is not in the hands of the victims. "Feelings" don't influence the decision.

 

[Y]

Death Penalty (thumbs up !)

 

[Angel]

No, I don't believe in Death Penalty at all...

 

[Reba]

I agree with you, so consider this a devil's advocate post. I really have mixed feelings about the death penalty. I generally support it, but the ones that are on death row, and are innocent (proven when DNA exonerates them), bothers the heck out of me. I can't ignore that. There are people sitting on death row who didn't do the crime. How does one deal with that?

I'm not opposed to reopening cases where new DNA evidence is available.


As time goes by, I think there will be fewer of these situations because the DNA evidence will be addressed during the initial trial process.

Also, what about families who must wait YEARS to see the killer executed? That's also excruciating... Wouldn't it be better to send the killer to prison with life, no parole???? In most murder cases

Nothing will ever be "easy" for families. But it is especially cruel to drag them thru parole hearings every two years for 20 or 30 years. In many cases, the hearings require the victims' family members to sit at a table facing the murderer, just a couple feet away. Can you imagine that? We have a local family who goes thru that process every two years with the man who killed her teenage daughter. It's horrible.

Ah, the whole system needs to be revamped....

True.
It has come a long way over the past 100 years.

Just a side note. When I was a high school kid, I read a very disturbing true book about American prisons and the reforms they went thru during the 20th century. I was a "bleeding-heart liberal", and was very touched by that book. Ever since then, I have supported prison reform, and am against brutality and rape in prisons. However, I'm also against "coddling" prisoners, or giving them more "rights" then our own military members have. I believe prisoners can work out their muscles at hard labor instead of using taxpayer purchased gym equipment. I think there has to be greater segregation of prisoners by degree of crime and violence, so the truly "redeemable" can get a chance, and the "lifers" can't hurt or influence them.

OK, off my soap box now.

 

[Lillys dad]

Yes, I absolutely support the death penalty. With my line of work, I have seen too many crime scenes to think otherwise. I am a firm believer of "an eye for an eye". I think that if you beat someone to death with a baseball bat, your punishment should be that you are beaten to death by a baseball bat.
If you knew 100% that you will die in the same manner that you have killed, then you would be alot less likely to carry out brutal acts.
Standing over
I have an unusually harsh perspective when it comes to punishment and the death penalty. If you are convicted of murder and sentenced to death, you get 1 appeal, in a timely manner (6 months or less). Then you will be executed.
When it comes time for your execution, it should be (as said above) the sma emanner that you have killed by. BUT, the execution should be televised. Hell, they should sell tickets. $25 per seat. the money raised will go to a victims advocate fund. The reason for it being televised, is that so many people have become desensitized to serious injury and death through movies/tv. If you actually watched people die, you would regain the seriousness and gravity of death.
watching convicted murderers, be put to death on national tv would cause potential furture muderers to think twice before pulling the trigger.
OK, Let me have it.......... Let me here how crazy or evil I am.

 

[Cheri]

Yes, I absolutely support the death penalty. With my line of work, I have seen too many crime scenes to think otherwise. I am a firm believer of "an eye for an eye". I think that if you beat someone to death with a baseball bat, your punishment should be that you are beaten to death by a baseball bat.
If you knew 100% that you will die in the same manner that you have killed, then you would be alot less likely to carry out brutal acts.
Standing over
I have an unusually harsh perspective when it comes to punishment and the death penalty. If you are convicted of murder and sentenced to death, you get 1 appeal, in a timely manner (6 months or less). Then you will be executed.
When it comes time for your execution, it should be (as said above) the sma emanner that you have killed by. BUT, the execution should be televised. Hell, they should sell tickets. $25 per seat. the money raised will go to a victims advocate fund. The reason for it being televised, is that so many people have become desensitized to serious injury and death through movies/tv. If you actually watched people die, you would regain the seriousness and gravity of death.
watching convicted murderers, be put to death on national tv would cause potential furture muderers to think twice before pulling the trigger.
OK, Let me have it.......... Let me here how crazy or evil I am.

I agree with you, I would want those violent criminals to die the same way they killed their victims, because I want them to feel exactly the same pains, and the horrific horror they went through before their dying time.