Starbucks CEO asking patrons to leave guns at home

Steinhauer said:
How are you doing far leftist liberal?

I am a fair and balanced and reasonable American. I know this, because most far leftist liberals tell me that I am not. I believe that our founding fathers made it very clear what the Second Amendment was for. It was so that far leftist liberals, such as yourself, cannot infringe on the natural right of individuals to defend themselves. I can readily tell from your post that you were able to read all the way up to the comma in the Second Amendment. However, you stopped reading at the comma. If you can get past that little hurdle (and I know you can do it if you just try), you will see that the Second Amendment also includes these very important words :

So, you see? People have the right bear arms (but you can only see that if you get past the comma - I know its hard, but I believe you can do it if you just try).

In other words, you have every right to have your own opinion that there is no reason for gun ownership for citizens, and you can publicly state your opinion - however, unfortunately for you, you cannot make your opinion a law, since that would be an infringement. Sorry about that my dear far leftist liberal friend.

Just because we do not agree on this issue, does not mean that we cannot be friends. I realize that we both see the world at completely different angles.

Your perception of the world is, what I like to call "fantasy". It is based on the premise that if guns were outlawed, for the private citizen, there would not be mass shootings, and murder would cease to exist. Your fantasy also indicates that soldiers, and only trained soldiers, should have weapons. After all, they are the only ones professional enough.

My perception of the world, on the other hand, is based on what I like to call "reality". Reality has nothing to do, at all, with your interpretation of the Second Amendment - which is called "fantasy'. It is based on facts, evidence, research and hard data. These four things - facts, evidence, research and data - all come into play when discussing reality. They are not needed when discussing fantasy.

When you clearly stated that you 'believe' the Second Amendment was only intended for a well regulated militia, you dismissed a fact. That fact was that the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. now please repeat this 3x:



It is also a fact, not a belief (which indicates fantasy), that "the people' are not a "militia". It is also another fact that the Second Amendment includes a very specific right for 'the people' - and that is they can keep and bear arms.

There are several other facts I would like to discuss with you if you wish to delve into this further. But first, I must ask you a question - is it a "fact' or a 'fantasy" that gun free zones make people safer?

The next topic I would like to discuss about our different world views will cover evidence, research and data in regards to gun free zones.

Thank you and have a nice night. :wave:
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I have always thought that you are right-libertarian, but I'm on opposite - left-libertarian.

The anti-gun rights aren't always side with left wing and socialist, there are conservatives (liberals-conservatives) support gun control laws in Europe. There is confusion about political affiliation - American liberalism isn't same as European/Australian liberalism.

Some people don't agree with some US constitutions, such as some conservatives don't support Sixteenth and Seventeen Amendment. Some liberals don't support Second Amendment. That's example. We can't change their opinion.
 
Foxrac said:
I have always thought that you are right-libertarian, but I'm on opposite - left-libertarian.

The anti-gun rights aren't always side with left wing and socialist, there are conservatives (liberals-conservatives) support gun control laws in Europe. There is confusion about political affiliation - American liberalism isn't same as European/Australian liberalism.

Some people don't agree with some US constitutions, such as some conservatives don't support Sixteenth and Seventeen Amendment. Some liberals don't support Second Amendment. That's example. We can't change their opinion.
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You are correct for the most part - gun control is not really a political party issue.

However, it is mostly the Democratic Liberals in this country that are for gun control. They feel that another law will stop violence and murder. They either, through willful neglect, or intentional ignorance, fail to realize that it is illegal to murder and criminals are called criminals because they break the law. Passing stricter gun legislation will only effect those who obey the law - which criminals do not do -
 
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respectyoda said:
Just because the 2nd Amendment allows people to carry firearms legally, it doesn't mean they should possess firearms in the first place. There's no real good reason to possess firearms. All it does is bring violence, sadness, and death. Guns do not wound/kill people. People wound/kill people!
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Don't know what world you grew up in but I'd rather shoot and safe my own life that allow someone to take it or someone I care for.

Yes people kill people but my ancestors (I'm Japanese) tried the same thing in Japan. Outlaw weapons and people had no way of defending themselves. As such, the introduction of people carrying things like the bo or other means of learning how to defend themselves emerged. People had to adapt in the hard ways back in Feudal Japan. I bet lives could have been saved back them allowing them to a carry their weapons just as people wanting to get rid of guns now would do the same.

Personally, I know times have changed since then but people will still want ways to protect themselves and the guns allow that. I'm all for cracking down on gun laws but at the same time I know mass murders can be committed without firearms as well (see Osaka School Massacre).

Don't like the Second Amendment? Move elsewhere. Or even better...move to countries that allow criminals to sue people for harming them for coming into their homes. That is all so fair... :roll:
 
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Wow, just read that... Never heard of it before. So sad. :( But I definitely agree, there are always methods to carry out murder other than guns, and people will find a way, that's just how it is. At least by having a gun I can protect myself from someone who may want to hurt me or someone I love, as Kik mentioned above.
 
KikLove said:
Don't know what world you grew up in but I'd rather shoot and safe my own life that allow someone to take it or someone I care for.

Yes people kill people but my ancestors (I'm Japanese) tried the same thing in Japan. Outlaw weapons and people had no way of defending themselves. As such, the introduction of people carrying things like the bo or other means of learning how to defend themselves emerged. People had to adapt in the hard ways back in Feudal Japan. I bet lives could have been saved back them allowing them to a carry their weapons just as people wanting to get rid of guns now would do the same.

Personally, I know times have changed since then but people will still want ways to protect themselves and the guns allow that. I'm all for cracking down on gun laws but at the same time I know mass murders can be committed without firearms as well (see Osaka School Massacre).


Don't like the Second Amendment? Move elsewhere. Or even better...move to countries that allow criminals to sue people for harming them for coming into their homes. That is all so fair... :roll:
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I grew up in the same world as you did because after all, humans are born and raised on Earth. So the appropriate word would be perhaps be environment. If your avatar is a picture of you then there's not any indication that you are Japanese, but Japanese people can be really intelligent.

People want to defend themselves because they want to take matters into their hands if necessary. There's no real reason to construct and use weapons because all they do is continue the cycle of hatred, violence, sadness, and murder. Think about how people obtained weapons legally and turned into criminals. The people who construct weapons and use them are inventors of evil things. Too many people spend time and money on weapons when there are better things to invest their time in.

jonnyghost said:
People underestimate the knife.
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People underestimate the spoon (pun intended)!
 
respectyoda said:
I grew up in the same world as you did because after all, humans are born and raised on Earth. So the appropriate word would be perhaps be environment. If your avatar is a picture of you then there's not any indication that you are Japanese, but Japanese people can be really intelligent.
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That's a picture of an actress. (BTW, my avatar is a doll.)

I'm shocked at your statement "but Japanese people can be really intelligent."

That's a real head-shaker.
 
Reba said:
That's a picture of an actress. (BTW, my avatar is a doll.)

I'm shocked at your statement "but Japanese people can be really intelligent."

That's a real head-shaker.
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I am sorry if my recent post may have been perceived in the wrong way. I didn't mean in any way, shape, or form that she is not intelligent. I was just speaking from experience of my friends who were Japanese, especially one boy in my high school. Japan has one of the best education systems in the world.
 
respectyoda said:


People want to defend themselves because they want to take matters into their hands if necessary. There's no real reason to construct and use weapons because all they do is continue the cycle of hatred, violence, sadness, and murder. Think about how people obtained weapons legally and turned into criminals. The people who construct weapons and use them are inventors of evil things. Too many people spend time and money on weapons when there are better things to invest their time in.
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Who created the 2nd Amendment? Our founding fathers who were Christians, right?
 
CrazyPaul said:
Who created the 2nd Amendment? Our founding fathers who were Christians, right?
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Nota Bene: This is not a religious debate as I am only answering your question.

Many people call themselves Christians, but they do not put the weight behind the label. So for those founding fathers, they were not true Christians.

Anyway, let's move on.
 
respectyoda said:
I am sorry if my recent post may have been perceived in the wrong way. I didn't mean in any way, shape, or form that she is not intelligent. I was just speaking from experience of my friends who were Japanese, especially one boy in my high school. Japan has one of the best education systems in the world.
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Your comment came across as racially stereotyped.

You still don't get it.
 
respectyoda said:
Nota Bene: This is not a religious debate as I am only answering your question.

Many people call themselves Christians, but they do not put the weight behind the label. So for those founding fathers, they were not true Christians.

Anyway, let's move on.
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Are you opposed to the entire Bill of Rights or just the Second Amendment?
 
Reba said:
That's a picture of an actress. (BTW, my avatar is a doll.)
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Thank you, Reba. That is Cote de Pablo, from NCIS.

respectyoda said:
People want to defend themselves because they want to take matters into their hands if necessary. There's no real reason to construct and use weapons because all they do is continue the cycle of hatred, violence, sadness, and murder. Think about how people obtained weapons legally and turned into criminals. The people who construct weapons and use them are inventors of evil things. Too many people spend time and money on weapons when there are better things to invest their time in.
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I'm not even going to comment on the stereotype that Japanese or any Asian race for that matter. Mostly because I don't feel I will able to respond appropriately.

The example of Feudal Japan is an example of people not having weapons getting attacked. Yes, a different time and era. An example of the government trying to enforce their laws and have control over the people in some ways. Still, crimes were committed against people back then and people had to find ways to defend themselves. As such, people learned to use the stuff they did have as weapons (like I mentioned, a bo or even a jo is simply a six foot staff or four foot staff) to defend themselves. That can be just as deadly and painful as a gun.

People will still commit crimes with or without the weapons. They'll find something or use their own bodies.

Some people I know buy swords, antique guns, and even war memorabilia. Waste of money? Who knows? Some own them simply because they belonged to extended family members and so forth.
 
Reba said:
Are you opposed to the entire Bill of Rights or just the Second Amendment?
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It is just the second amendment. I'll just leave it at that.

KikLove said:
The example of Feudal Japan is an example of people not having weapons getting attacked. Yes, a different time and era. An example of the government trying to enforce their laws and have control over the people in some ways. Still, crimes were committed against people back then and people had to find ways to defend themselves. As such, people learned to use the stuff they did have as weapons (like I mentioned, a bo or even a jo is simply a six foot staff or four foot staff) to defend themselves. That can be just as deadly and painful as a gun.

People will still commit crimes with or without the weapons. They'll find something or use their own bodies.

Some people I know buy swords, antique guns, and even war memorabilia. Waste of money? Who knows? Some own them simply because they belonged to extended family members and so forth.
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The government continues to create laws as "solutions" to problems of today's society, but unfortunately, they are not solving these problems. For instance, the government has created many gun control laws, but this still doesn't altogether prevent murders from happening. The problem is not with laws, but rather the home because parents these days are not raising their children properly. There are many children watching too much TV and playing violent video games. These children create a misconception that people have more than one life to live or that it is cool to carry around lethal weapons. Not too long ago, there were a bunch of teenagers who shot a man to death because they were bored! Children these days do not have respect for the sanctity of life.
 
Murders and crimes were happening far before this government was ever established. Ancient Egyptian mummies had their tombs raided for the riches inside. When did that happen? Over thousands of years.

Oh yes, because all of the children these days don't have sanctity for life? Have you ever thought that my generation and maybe those around me get tired of hearing that? You make it sound like we're going to doom the world since the day we popped out of the womb.
 
KikLove said:
Murders and crimes were happening far before this government was ever established. Ancient Egyptian mummies had their tombs raided for the riches inside. When did that happen? Over thousands of years.

Oh yes, because all of the children these days don't have sanctity for life? Have you ever thought that my generation and maybe those around me get tired of hearing that? You make it sound like we're going to doom the world since the day we popped out of the womb.
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I wasn't talking about the past as I am talking about the current times as far as the prophecies are concerned. The end of the world may not come in your generation, but it could in the next few generations. My point I have been making along is that it is getting worse and worse with each generation, just like in Noah's time.
 
respectyoda said:

I wasn't talking about the past as I am talking about the current times as far as the prophecies are concerned. The end of the world may not come in your generation, but it could in the next few generations. My point I have been making along is that it is getting worse and worse with each generation, just like in Noah's time.
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May I suggest that you stop preaching since you got two threads closed so far? Thank you, Yoda.
 
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