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Jiro, there are many heated debates on this forum. I gather from some of your posts in this thread that you are speaking of the political debates. Is this correct?
 
rockdrummer said:
Jiro, there are many heated debates on this forum. I gather from some of your posts in this thread that you are speaking of the political debates. Is this correct?
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mainly "On-Topic Debates" subjects. There are handful of people who can debate well and other handful of people who cannot debate well. So what do you have when you put those two groups together? One motherf***'ing ugly mess that turns into all kinds of nasty things - pissing contest, shit-flinging, so on. It's best to leave the hotly-debated topics to professional debaters or to people on each side who can debate without bias/emotion and/or with actual cases/facts/statistics/etc. to back it up. It is too difficult debate with people who get overly emotional/sensitive and have only personal experience to back it up when the statistic, scientific research/data, etc. does not substantiate it... and same for other side with extreme/conservative view. It just doesn't work.

Let's face it - of all hotly-debated threads in here... what were the outcomes most of time? threads getting locked and/or some AD'ers getting temp-banned/hurt. There's not a single positive outcome from it. Why continue headache and shit-flinging war? There are plenty of forums dedicated to strictly debating on certain issues and I go there sometimes. I believe it's fine to have some debate subjects in here but touchy issues like religion and abortion... it just won't work.

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Jiro said:
mainly "On-Topic Debates" subjects. There are handful of people who can debate well and other handful of people who cannot debate well. So what do you have when you put those two groups together? One motherf***'ing ugly mess that turns into all kinds of nasty things - pissing contest, shit-flinging, so on. It's best to leave the hotly-debated topics to professional debaters or to people on each side who can debate without bias/emotion and/or with actual cases/facts/statistics/etc. to back it up. It is too difficult debate with people who get overly emotional/sensitive and have only personal experience to back it up when the statistic, scientific research/data, etc. does not substantiate it. It just doesn't work.
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Well there are always going to be people that can't agree to disagree but that happens in many topics. Lets remember this is an open forum and as such every member here has the right to participate or not. As veiwers we also don't have to visit or participate in threads that seem to get out of hand. If you don't like what you are seeing then change the channel. It's up to the mods to facilitate our interactions and take appropriate actions when necessary. That said, I do agree with you though and sometimes I myself take a break from the controversial threads. Unfortunately it's the controversy that brings me here in many cases.
 
rockdrummer said:
Well there are always going to be people that can't agree to disagree but that happens in many topics. Lets remember this is an open forum and as such every member here has the right to participate or not. As veiwers we also don't have to visit or participate in threads that seem to get out of hand. If you don't like what you are seeing then change the channel. It's up to the mods to facilitate our interactions and take appropriate actions when necessary. That said, I do agree with you though and sometimes I myself take a break from the controversial threads. Unfortunately it's the controversy that brings me here in many cases.
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Sometimes when it gets really bad, I try to remember not to name the person I am disagreeing with but that's hard, too....it helps sometimes, though...
 
rockdrummer said:
Well there are always going to be people that can't agree to disagree but that happens in many topics. Lets remember this is an open forum and as such every member here has the right to participate or not. As veiwers we also don't have to visit or participate in threads that seem to get out of hand. If you don't like what you are seeing then change the channel. It's up to the mods to facilitate our interactions and take appropriate actions when necessary. That said, I do agree with you though and sometimes I myself take a break from the controversial threads. Unfortunately it's the controversy that brings me here in many cases.
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OK - it's like walking into gay bar but you're not allowed in because you're not a gay. you say - hey it's a free country and every citizen here has the rights to come into bar or not without discrimination. so you got in and then you start spewing anti-gay remarks. get it?

That's why religion subject was removed. That's why many threads get locked. That's why I believe hotly-debated subjects should be kept out unless we all can debate with composure and professionalism. Unfortunately - this has been repeatedly ignored and abused. What you said does not work. I don't mind having any soft debates (like animal culling, Palin bash, etc.) but keep hot debates out (religions, abortions, etc.)

it's a free country but with rules and limitations just for everybody's protection to enjoy the freedom :cool2:
 
Jiro said:
OK - it's like walking into gay bar but you're not allowed in because you're not a gay. you say - hey it's a free country and every citizen here has the rights to come into bar or not without discrimination. so you got in and then you start spewing anti-gay remarks. get it?
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Then my friend you should stop going to gay bars and spewing anti-gay remarks :rofl: Seriously though if the topic was gayness then a debate would have opposing views. It's how people express those views that determies if the debate remains civil or not.

Jiro said:
That's why religion subject was removed. That's why many threads get locked. That's why I believe hotly-debated subjects should be kept out unless we all can debate with composure and professionalism. Unfortunately - this has been repeatedly ignored and abused. What you said does not work. I don't mind having any soft debates (like animal culling, Palin bash, etc.) but keep hot debates out (religions, abortions, etc.)

it's a free country but with rules and limitations just for everybody's protection to enjoy the freedom :cool2:
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One thing to remember is that AD is a globally accessible site and so the "This is a free country" argument might not be true for all that participate here. I agree with you about debating with respect and integrety and would add to know when to agree to disagree. However, just because that doesn't happen you should not prevent people from debating. This is not a perfect world and not everyone can remain level headed. You will not ever achieve that standard. The human factor won't let you. So is the answer to not allow such topics on an open forum or is a better answer to deal with the inevitibilitys when they occur? I vote for the latter.
 
pek1 said:
I haven't been here because I'm busy with school. I graduate in May and am swamped with work! Went camping this weekend, just Friday night, which is some of the R & R that I needed. My books still came along, though.

I think, though, that everyone's mad at me, especially Maria!
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Me mad ? No way jose! :lol: What makes you think this way ?
 
Personally i'm disappointed. Its not like someones gonna read posts on here and immediately hang themselves in the bedroom or something. I dont know 90% of the people here and its vice versa, a hell of a lot of people dont know me too so it doesnt matter if someone hates what i post because i feel a certain way. If they dont like it, tough shit, they can choke on it and kiss my ass. And its the same for me, if i dont agree on something oh well. Just take it with a grain of salt and move on. Its just to me funny as hell when people get so offended because you have an opinion. Last i checked you ARE allowed to have one. Sensitivity is bullshit, unless its obvious like making unwarranted blatant personal attacks which i guess is understandable. the bannings and numerous locked threads--well i suppose its AD policy when a mod feels that its justified to do so but c'mon, a forum is created to/for debate and if youre not allowed that in a manner where youre emotionally invested somewhat then whats the point?

How about this? Add disclaimers to threads. Mark them as "if you dont have balls, then under advisement, stay the fuck out" Ok, ok maybe not that harsh but you get the picture. Maybe a warning that this thread is marked a "hotly debated/emotional topic" or something. We're all adults here. Someone getting banned because they called someone an idiot is like a three-year old being told to sit in the corner. I would think we're past that at this stage in life.

But im all for policy and whatever. And even though i know im an outspoken, well-rounded opinionated asshole, i do respect guidelines. No matter how much stupidity agitates me *smirk*
 
rockdrummer said:
So is the answer to not allow such topics on an open forum or is a better answer to deal with the inevitibilitys when they occur? I vote for the latter.
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hence this thread and my post. Like I said - religion subject was banned from AD for a reason. Let's not get another subject banned again.
 
Jiro said:
OK guys n' gals.... If you noticed - recently I haven't been participating much as usual especially in Current Events and On-Topic Debates because I think it's just getting way out of hands most of time. As of recent - some long-time AD'ers just got temporarily banned... some AD'ers were undoubtedly hurt.... threads quickly turned from constructive debate into pissing contest and shit-flinging bullshit.

I think we all should be considerate with each other and not post any more hotly debated topics for a while... hopefully a LONG while. There's a reason why it's called a hotly debated subject and I think it's best left to politicians and extremists/activists to dish it out between each other. Let them do it for us. Nothing gets resolved in here. We all simply have a different POV. Let's leave it at that.

We should engage more on General Chat and other subjects that are more spiritual-lifting for us because I know we're either dreadfully bored or horrendously stressed out in our real life. It'd make sense to congregate in AD and converse in any subjects (except heated debate) that would quickly erases away our troubles.

How about that, huh? :cool2:
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Yeah :cool2: Good post! :D
 
pek1 said:
You haven't written to me. :tears::sadwave:
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Aw, I am so sorry. I moved down here in Florida from Alaska. We did wrote to each other in our profiles. If, there's anythin' you want to say - please, write to me in my AD profile. I will do the same. :)
 
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