Is it right or wrong? (Slightly long post..)

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Before I give you a boring or entertaining story, this topic isn't relationship issue, it is conscience and "right or wrong" issue.. I have this conscience for several years so I would like to share and would love to hear your feedbacks out if you have anything to share.. I have to explain somewhat long so you guys will get the picture what going on (of course I did not add any more what I have to) to get the picture so sorry about this.. Note: I did not think with english, I am thinking with my emotions so excuse my sloppy grammar :P



I moved in Vermont several years ago for snowboarding contest and want to live a different life in anywhere beside California as well. I met a interesting and beautiful woman (let's call her, "Mel", it isn't her real name) who was a interpreter at Austine school for deaf in Vermont. She had a deaf boyfriend (l will call him "Matt", it isn't his real name) and both of them has been in serious relationship for maybe a year or bit longer.. Anyway I worked as one-to-one with special needs kids at Austine as well so we eventually met in some place time to time..

Until at one time, Mel wants me to came over to her place to talk and bullshitting around, nothing happen between us (I am not one of guys who would walk over the line to do anything with women who have a relationship with boyfriends/husbands) but she somehow opened up and share with me that her boyfriend has been hurt her few times thru physical and yelling. Matt did not punch her or anything like that but push her few times.. Matt and I had conversations together several time at different parties and I can notice that he is one of hotheaded types. She showed me few holes in the walls where Matt punched during in heated arguement with Mel.

Anyway, after numbers of days and weeks, thing between me and Mel was eventually getting close and closer, Mel expressed her frustrations about relationship with Matt.. I mentioned to her several times that she needs to leave him, get Matt some therapies or call cops concerning about "physical" abuses that she took from him. She refused and believe that things will work out somehow between them, at same time she started to show her feelings toward me. I even tried to call cops about it but wants to keep my name out so cops did not accept my anonymous call and told me that whoever vicitim should make a call, not me (Vermont law thingy I guess). So I was luck out. I talked to one of my boss about it and she said it was up to Mel to decide to call or not. Mel often asked for me to go and ride with her to some beautiful mountains in Vermont so she can feel "free" from Matt or cry about it.

She did tempted me in certain way, like asking me to sleep in bed with her to comfort her. Believe me, I would love to do but I know it will lead to sex.. I had to decline in spite of my heightened hormones and slept on the floor instead heh... Somehow Mel's boyfriend finally blowed up and hurt Mel real hard by pushing her down the stair, she called me and I left during work to get her out of there for a while then finally convinced her to call cops. She did and cops stopped by and took him to jail in police station for 24 hours to keep things cool down. I had to wrote the statement down about him and cops showed the statement to Matt, of course he got mad at me.. Mel and Matt had some discussions and apparently solved some issues.. By almost end of school year, Mel decided and planned to move out of Vermont to different states and took Matt along with her (Even though Matt yelled at her and pushed her again)..

So I got this guts that Matt will somehow hurt Mel more than usual, I unfortunately decided that I had to do something.. I made up a "white" lie about Matt (Don't remember what it is all about though) and it got Mel real hurt and ready to cuss at Matt due to my "white" lie. But I changed my mind because I could not stand myself if I did not tell Mel that I lied to her so I called her again and told her that I lied to her. It hurt her real lots, more than I thought. She refused to talk to me ever again.. I regretted that I did because it impacted her more than anything does, I believe because of her love toward me (I guess at this moment). But it already put the rift between Mel and Matt when Mel moved out to other state.. and eventually broke up.

Matt went to the jail for molesting several kids during work in school included "forced" some kids to do certain sexual things. I guess karma did the job for me also save Mel from Matt as well. (It was in certain newspaper so figure it out if you want to).


So am I wrong to lie for trying to save Mel from Matt? That's what my conscience bother me for years and years. I do want to tell Mel that I lied to her because I want to save her from Matt and his hotheadedness but that is big IF for me to meet her somewhere and somehow. Anyway, is it ok for me to lie like that in order to save her from Matt? Have you ever experience that situation before? Thanks.
 
So am I wrong to lie for trying to save Mel from Matt? That's what my conscience bother me for years and years. I do want to tell Mel that I lied to her because I want to save her from Matt and his hotheadedness but that is big IF for me to meet her somewhere and somehow. Anyway, is it ok for me to lie like that in order to save her from Matt?

Magatsu,

Life is full of "IF's" and if we weren't born with consciences, we wouldn't be able to go through life knowing we made right and/or wrong choices. Dig deep down in your heart and you will know you did the most loving thing for Mel. You were there for her as a true friend, you offered her your shoulder for her to cry on, you were there to lend moral support and best of all, you were a gentleman through the whole process. Jealousy does rear its ugly head but you were a human being, as well. Please contact Mel and explain to her that you tried to tell her but couldn't find the right words to express yourself and the situation wasn't exactly helpful for everyone involved. I am glad Matt is away from the children as well. Please seek solace in the fact you made an impact in Mel's life.
 
Magatsu -- if i was in ur kind of situation -- i would more likely have done what u have done for the safety of my friend -- Mel would have appreciated u alot more now despite the "little white lie" -- she will realize u have been a true-er friend than anyone could have been in the traumatic time she was going thru -- Socrates is right
 
Wow..good vent, Magatsu. Socrates's right -- perhaps you can think through this and take a page out of Socrates's book...see if you can try to get into touch with Mel and resolve the problems between her and you.
I sure hope she'll realise that you were there for her and helped her as much as you could as a true blue friend.
 
I believe there are two types of mistakes...

Mistakes of the head - Calculated mistakes, usually done with an ill intent
and Mistakes of the heart - Mistakes made because a person truly believes they have done the right thing and it was done with the best of intentions.

Your friend apparently got angry because she felt you made a mistake of the head. I'm quite sure she will come to realise that it was truly a mistake of the heart.

Mike
 
Just follow your honest heart what it tells you and share it with her. :)
 
yeah keep up with her as true friend and to tell her the truth. i experienced physcial abuse last year and i learned that my female friend did lie to my ex abusive boyfriend which she told me different story than to my ex so i understand that she lied because she don't want him to hurt me by hitting me... u did okay to lie to her in front of matt so that way matt would not anger towards ya both but if u find a way to talk to her private when matt is not around u could have tell her truth but oh well... just to tell her truth and keep your friend going. good luck smile.
 
coffeeeeman said:
I believe there are two types of mistakes...

Mistakes of the head - Calculated mistakes, usually done with an ill intent
and Mistakes of the heart - Mistakes made because a person truly believes they have done the right thing and it was done with the best of intentions.

Your friend apparently got angry because she felt you made a mistake of the head. I'm quite sure she will come to realise that it was truly a mistake of the heart.

Mike
That reminds me of a Seinfeld episode where Seinfeld was dating this gal who wanted to hold sex until later. Every time the subject about sex was brought up, two versions of Seinfeld would appear in the background playing chess. One had a brain-head and the other had a penis-head. The brain-head kept winning... showing that Seinfeld had enough willpower to not have sex. Near the end, the penis-head finally won... causing Seinfeld to want sex, meaning he dumped her. Heh!
 
Mag, what do you feel that you have to do now? Or was this a vent?

I think you were acting the good fella doing something that broke your integrity to save someone, even though you knew your friend could not get the help if she didn't want it. I think it's common with people who stay in abusive relationships - mostly from fear of being alone and being "punished."

I think Scorates is right - probably by now your friend is really thankful you were there for her, and gave her an indirect reason to get out of there. She might be nervous about calling you because she felt she treated you badly. Don't let it be 10 years before you 2 finally get in touch! :wiggle:
 
Socrates said:
Magatsu,

Life is full of "IF's" and if we weren't born with consciences, we wouldn't be able to go through life knowing we made right and/or wrong choices. Dig deep down in your heart and you will know you did the most loving thing for Mel. You were there for her as a true friend, you offered her your shoulder for her to cry on, you were there to lend moral support and best of all, you were a gentleman through the whole process. Jealousy does rear its ugly head but you were a human being, as well. Please contact Mel and explain to her that you tried to tell her but couldn't find the right words to express yourself and the situation wasn't exactly helpful for everyone involved. I am glad Matt is away from the children as well. Please seek solace in the fact you made an impact in Mel's life.
That post is quite impressive, that's what I did. I had been nightclubbing around for few days to think about my past, what I did and many things. Thanks for feedback!

coffeeeeman said:
I believe there are two types of mistakes...

Mistakes of the head - Calculated mistakes, usually done with an ill intent
and Mistakes of the heart - Mistakes made because a person truly believes they have done the right thing and it was done with the best of intentions.

Your friend apparently got angry because she felt you made a mistake of the head. I'm quite sure she will come to realise that it was truly a mistake of the heart.

Mike
True, I never bother to think about that until now.

Liza said:
Mag, what do you feel that you have to do now? Or was this a vent?
Both I guess because I am trying to find her to tell her about it. Also having this conscience has been bother me for years but odd enough that I don't feel that conscience right after "venting" to you people. Since I don't know you people and can be consider you people as strangers (also I highly doubt that people here would know who [Mel and Matt] I talked about) so it is perfect for me to vent and listen to your feedbacks/opinions so I can make a decision based on yours and mine after my vent.

Liza said:
I think you were acting the good fella doing something that broke your integrity to save someone, even though you knew your friend could not get the help if she didn't want it. I think it's common with people who stay in abusive relationships - mostly from fear of being alone and being "punished."
That is indeed sad because it happen to many gals who suffer the constantly abuses by men yet could not get out or listen to their friends or even move on to "better" men. oh well.

Liza said:
I think Scorates is right - probably by now your friend is really thankful you were there for her, and gave her an indirect reason to get out of there. She might be nervous about calling you because she felt she treated you badly. Don't let it be 10 years before you 2 finally get in touch! :wiggle:
In all honest, I don't think she is nervous about calling me, I got the guts that she did not even try. But wait, I don't blame her at all, I can understand how she felt when I broke her trust like that. Actually I don't give damn if she refuse to forgive me if and when I find her and share with her what I told you people but as long as she know that I did gave lots of thoughts about what I did to her. I know it was wrong thing for me to do like that but at least I "saved" her from guys like Matt even though it costs me a gal or good friend.

In fact, I was hoping to meet her.. that's one of several reasons why I want to go to NTID/RIT because she graduated from there as interpeter and often came by there for alumni or Sailor Ball or something, I don't remember the name. So I may have once-a-lifetime opportunity to meet her there when I enroll at NTID/RIT to tell her, after that I can determine my future. I know I shouldn't allow it but seem that my conscience has been hold me back from what I need or want to do with my future. I hope I make sense in my vent .-. What more is that almost ten years now for us to not get in touch... bah I definitely need to enroll at NTID/RIT ASAP.

Thanks everyone for great posts! Once again, I did not think with my brain, only emotion this time so pardon my sloppy grammar.
 
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*sigh* your story reminds me of so much anime stories filled with romance, but filled with problems such as physical abuse, rape, betrayl, etc...and yet, there was always one guy who has deep feelings for her, even though she was already in a relationship with someone, but an abusive and toture relationship, more likely. Sure, it can be wrong to lie, and lying just wont do any good but sometimes there can always be a good reason for it.

You lied because you wanted to protect Mel, and you wanted Matt to stay away from her, and to break up, so her life wouldn't get any worse if she stayed with that monster any longer. Matt deserves what he gets, anyway.

Heck, I've proably would've done a pretty similar thing...make up a rice, white little lie to protect the girl who has been like, a great friend to me or something like that and I would do anything...I mean ANYTHING to protect her so what you did was really manly and brave but of course, kind of a shame that you had to make up a lie and get her to "hate" you but I dont think she really hates you but was just disapointed, and was proably embarassased that other people had found out about her relationship with matt, and how it turned out to be, and when they hear your story, they kind of believed what you said but, Mel's story would be completely different, somehow.
If it wasn't for you, Mel would've seriously needed to go to the hospital and get fixed up on her serious injuries and if she doesn't even have health insurance, who's going to help her pay? Matt? Yeah right, like he would do anything for her after he likes to beat the crap outta her so...dude, the most important thing is that you just saved another person's life, whether they like you or dislike you, it's all part of a hero's work lol

Just be paitent and see if Mel is in a good mood so to have a good conversation about why you had to do that and stuff like that.

I wish you the best of luck, dude. :thumb:
 
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