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Tousi said:
I don't get the adoptions when I thought we were talking about babies on the very edge of death or will suffer the worse fate of living in a vegetative state.
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Euthanasia would not only be for people who are "terminally ill" Euthanasia can become a means of health care cost containment :)
 
Banjo said:
From what I know, everybody values life in different ways. Some parents don't want their babies to suffer till they die, and some will want to stay with them till the last moment.

I think it just depends on how the parents feel.

Though, I don't see this concept as a good one. I just don't get a good feeling out of it.
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Not only for babies who are suffering...

Example: a woman is suffering from depresssion and asks to be helped to commit suicide. One doctor sets up a practice to "help" such people,...help them commit suicide, by doing an euthanasia.
 
Hmmm....
First, babies can be killed during the 9 months in the mother's womb.

Next, babies can be killed while coming out of the womb ("partial birth abortion").

Now, babies can be killed after leaving the mother's womb.

Next, what will be the age cut off for euthenasia? Maybe the baby doesn't show symptoms of awful disability until age 6 months. Kill it then? 10 months? 2 years? When will it end?

BTW, in all the books, magazine articles, and TV interviews I have read or seen about Jews in concentration camps, I don't know of any who said they would prefer to be euthanized in the camps. I thought that was the Nazi excuse. The Nazis claimed that using the gas was "painless", "quick", and "humane".

The Nazis began with euthanizing old and disabled people. Then they included "handicapped" babies. Then....you know the rest of the story.
 
Cheri said:
Not only for babies who are suffering...

Example: a woman is suffering from depresssion and asks to be helped to commit suicide. One doctor sets up a practice to "help" such people,...help them commit suicide, by doing an euthanasia.
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Cheri gurl -- depression is the WORST reason for wanting assisted suicide and i would NEVER approve assisted suicide/euthanasia for this! Depression CAN be treated -- it it nowhere near "vegetative state" or at the end stage of a terminal illness after a person has tried EVERY avenue available to them and the illness continues to ravage them

so with that in mind, i disagree with u Cheri on this one example of using euthanasia u have mentioned
 
Reba said:
Next, what will be the age cut off for euthenasia? Maybe the baby doesn't show symptoms of awful disability until age 6 months. Kill it then? 10 months? 2 years? When will it end?
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I had no idea that some doesn't show any symptoms of disability until the baby is 6 months old, usually in most cases, they do show symptoms when the baby is still in the mother's womb...This is the first time I ever heard of that....

And I agree with everything you said above! ;)
 
^Angel^ said:
I had no idea that some doesn't show any symptoms of disability until the baby is 6 months old, usually in most cases, they do show symptoms when the baby is still in the mother's womb...This is the first time I ever heard of that....

And I agree with everything you said above! ;)
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Some disabilities do show up until later. Some has no symptoms or symptoms not realized or discovered until at later age.
 
Meg said:
Some disabilities do show up until later. Some has no symptoms or symptoms not realized or discovered until at later age.
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I thought it will only happen if that baby became illness, or had some kind of disease...maybe that Reba was trying to say ....LOL
 
Fly Free said:
Cheri gurl -- depression is the WORST reason for wanting assisted suicide and i would NEVER approve assisted suicide/euthanasia for this! Depression CAN be treated -- it it nowhere near "vegetative state" or at the end stage of a terminal illness after a person has tried EVERY avenue available to them and the illness continues to ravage them

so with that in mind, i disagree with u Cheri on this one example of using euthanasia u have mentioned
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Read about it FlyFree It is the Facts...http://www.bergen.org/AAST/Projects/Forum/Issues/Papers/assistedsuicide.html

I was just giving an example on my post, and doctors have done that action before.

Another Link:
http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/Feb2000/EuthanasiaNetherlands.html


Boudewijn Chabot, a psychiatrist, was treating a 50-year-old woman with a 20-year history of depression after the death of her two sons. She had already attempted suicide when she came to Chabot who told her that if he could not treat her he would help her to die rather than risk her attempting some violent suicide. In September 1991 the woman took a lethal dose of drugs prescribed by Chabot. The psychiatrist was charged with assisting suicide and his case went to the Supreme Court which last year found him guilty of professonal negligence but he was given a suspended sentence.
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He believes many doctors still lie about the true number of euthanasia cases they perform and falsify statistics of the handicapped infants killed each year
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Cheri -- granted it HAS happened with ppl who suffers from depression but i do NOT consider depression to be in the category of "terminal illness" or "vegetative state" -- patients would LIE to their doctors to get what they want -- doctors just have to be much more viligent (if they ACTUALLY want to keep their licenses to practice) in listening to what patients are saying and if theyre actually suffering from depression then refer them to a more appropriate professional that specializes in mental health

depression is a recognized mental illness YES, but should not be cited for assisted suicide/euthanasia as a reason to end a person's life with the help of a professional board certified doctor -- it can be treated with various meds available for patients who suffer from depression and they CAN actually lead a good, happy life!
 
Fly Free said:
Cheri -- granted it HAS happened with ppl who suffers from depression but i do NOT consider depression to be in the category of "terminal illness" or "vegetative state" -- patients would LIE to their doctors to get what they want -- doctors just have to be much more viligent (if they ACTUALLY want to keep their licenses to practice) in listening to what patients are saying and if theyre actually suffering from depression then refer them to a more appropriate professional that specializes in mental health

depression is a recognized mental illness YES, but should not be cited for assisted suicide/euthanasia as a reason to end a person's life with the help of a professional board certified doctor -- it can be treated with various meds available for patients who suffer from depression and they CAN actually lead a good, happy life!
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Yes, I agree with you, I would never consider it either, People with depression gives up their life too easy losing interest in normal activities, hobbies and everyday life, But no reason to take their own life and die.
Depression is very common. Almost anybody can develop the illness; it is certainly not a sign of weakness. Depression can also be treatable..;)
 
Thank everyone for the opionions here.

The babies who born brain dead or no show activities in their brain, do they have souls? Or just a body without mind and soul?

I remember one story about a mother who wanted to give her dead brain baby's heart (while he was alive) to another a baby with heart defect years ago. The people were upset about it and were against the mother.They did not allowed her to donate the heart. So her dead brain baby died few weeks later and his heart was not able to be donated. I thought it was very brave of the mother who was willing to let her newborn dead brain son to die on table and donate his healthy heart to other baby's life.

Mag, thanks for print those story. I am computer illerate on how to transfer from other website into this forum.
 
jazzy said:
Mag, thanks for print those story. I am computer illerate on how to transfer from other website into this forum.
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Cheers, no problem. You can do that by these steps:

1) Highlight by pressing the left button on your mouse, don't release the button (keep pressing the left button down) then move your mouse on this texts, you will see the 'highlight' effect.

2) Once you highlight any text you would like to copy and paste, you can release the left button on the mouse but don't click the left button or it will cancel the 'highlight' effect.

3) now, there are two ways for you to copy or paste... A) press the key on your keyboard: Ctrl + C keys together at same time for copying. Or... B) click the right button on your mouse, the small window will pop up, then go and click 'Copy' with left button on your mouse. You decide which A or B is more easier for you. Ctrl + C is popular for people because it is more convenient to use. You pick either way, the memory in computer will 'memorize' your highlighted texts.

4) Go to anywhere you want to paste.. like your post. There are two ways for you to paste what you copied from highlighted texts. A) Press the key on your keyboard: Ctrl + V keys together at same time for pasting. Or ... B) click the right button on your mouse, the small window will pop up, then go and click 'Paste' with the left button on your mouse. You decide which A or B is more easier for you. Ctrl + V is popular for people because it is more convenient to use.

Once you did, you will see the copy/paste effect. I sure hope that I give you a crystal-clear step-by-step instruction for copy/paste :) I suggest you to play around with this instruction so you will pick up more faster.

Edit: Oh right, if you want to paste, be sure that you can see the blinking cursor in your window. If there isn't then you cannot paste. That's computer rule. If you read my post, you cannot see the blinking cursor in my post right? That's where you cannot paste.. Keep that in mind :)
 
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