Ethanol increase in gas backed by EPA

purplecatty said:
On my old post several years ago, E85 Experiment on my old lawnmower. It runs but uses more gas than regular unleaded. I noticed that I have to open up jet more in order to maximize power and to start easier. The upside of Ethanol is that it smells nice! Since after experiment, I changed the setting and continue to use mower with unleaded, it still runs fine.

I am seeing more 4 cycle small engine replacing 2 cycle engines due to Ethanol blend become more common.

The real issue for Ethanol is that it won't mix 2 cycle oil well thus require frequent shaking to keep oil/ethanol mixed before firing up and use (while engine is running, you don't have to shake it, engine vibration would take care of it) . It's very much like grease and water that don't mix. 4 cycle engine won't have problem with it. It'll harden the tubings so you'll need to change tubings to ethanhol resistance tubing. BUT with 15% Ethanol blend, It won't be a problem. Most of the time, you just shake the tank after long sitting.
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I'll pass that on to Hubby.

So if more gas stations have 15% ethanol in unleaded, I'm sure that many old car owners would have to figure the way to convert their car engine to accept E15 gasoline. Sometime if they cherish old cars, They would go for either modify the engine or swap out different engine that would work with Ethanol.
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It's not a matter of cherishing; it's about money. Many of us can't afford new engines or cars.

As for motorcycle, and rest of small engine vehicle, I wouldn't care at all. But it may be hassle to clean carburetor often or use Seafoam often to keep carb clean.

If performance on motorcycle become weaker due to increasing Ethanol percentage blend on unleaded, I may have to sell and buy motorcycle that have fuel injections to lessen headaches.
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Maybe you don't care but people who own motorcycles do care.

Here's the info

Common ethanol fuel mixtures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Engine Modification

Catty
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Thanks for the info.
 
I'm glad my bike can handle ethanol. it can even handle pretty much almost all kinds... even dirty fuel in Africa. Around here - it's 10%.

but dang it - it does put a dent in my pocket especially my truck. :mad2:
 
Jiro said:
I'm glad my bike can handle ethanol. it can even handle pretty much almost all kinds... even dirty fuel in Africa. Around here - it's 10%.

but dang it - it does put a dent in my pocket especially my truck. :mad2:
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Don't care?? How about Moonshine :rofl:

Catty
 
E85 does not burn hotter than gasoline...it burns cooler, but cars made before 1998 cannot run on 10% ethanol blend and ethanol has corrosive nature. Check info on how to convert your car engine to run on E85.

Converting to E85
 
Received my American Motorcycle Association (AMA) magazine today.

The AMA is concerned that gasoline containing more than 10 percent ethanol could result in engine damage. Motorcycle manufacturers certify vehicles to run on gasoline that has up to 10 percent ethanol, so using E15 could void the warranty. The EPA says new pump-labeling requirements will avoid confusion.

The pump labels will say:

"Use only in:

2007 and newer gasoline cars
2007 and newer light-duty trucks
flex-fuel vehicles

This fuel might damage other vehicles. Federal law prohibits its use in other vehicles and engines."

So: If there is not an option for fuel, Reba's car, my motorcycle and my van will be unable to be driven. If we use E15 we will be violating the law.

Has anyone heard about the legal permission to change our older engines?

Field corn is for cows and sweet corn on the cob is for us :)
 
I looked at one of the links and saw this:

"Engine Modifications for Ethanol blends of 14% to 24%
The following engine modifications were carried out by car companies in Brazil, in the 1970’s, when vehicles were operating on ethanol blends of between 14 and 24% ethanol:

* Changes to cylinder walls, cylinder heads, valves and valve seats
* Changes to pistons, piston rings, intake manifolds and carburettors
* Nickel plating of steel fuel lines and fuel tanks to prevent ethanol E20 corrosion
* Higher fuel flowrate injectors to compensate for oxygenate qualities of ethanol"

That is thousands of dollars to modify an older car!

In the 70's I remember when we converted from leaded to unleaded. The older cars self-destructed without a bottle of lead additive with every tank of fuel. It was a way to force you to buy a new vehicle. $$$$$$
 
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The Highlander said:
sequoias said:
E85 does not burn hotter than gasoline...it burns cooler, but cars made before 1998 cannot run on 10% ethanol blend and ethanol has corrosive nature. Check info on how to convert your car engine to run on E85.

Converting to E85
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Good info about convert.

Thanks.

I find another info thru your info.
DigiFlex Store
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Yikes, lot of money to convert it.
 
TinCanSailor said:
In the 70's I remember when we converted from leaded to unleaded. The older cars self-destructed without a bottle of lead additive with every tank of fuel. It was a way to force you to buy a new vehicle. $$$$$$
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Ummph!! It's odd cuz I used to own 1967 Chevy C10 pickup truck w/ column shifter and 1969 Kaizer Jeep (DJ-5). Both engine ran just perfectly fine with Unleaded fuel in 1980's while transitioning from Leaded to Unleaded with NO Conversaton. I use Unleaded gasoline often and been driving both vehicle for 4 years and engine didn't self-destruct.

Catty
 
purplecatty said:
Ummph!! It's odd cuz I used to own 1967 Chevy C10 pickup truck w/ column shifter and 1969 Kaizer Jeep (DJ-5). Both engine ran just perfectly fine with Unleaded fuel in 1980's while transitioning from Leaded to Unleaded with NO Conversaton. I use Unleaded gasoline often and been driving both vehicle for 4 years and engine didn't self-destruct.

Catty
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Ah,, good ole days.......... I remember regular gas means LEAD! :aw:
 
At least we're moving towards a greener future, and I intend to be part of that.
 
Glenn said:
Do you think third world countries are going to buy into that?
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I believe there's ways to provide the third world countries with ways to develop their economics sustainability, instead of just rather exploiting the land/resources and spending like there's no tomorrow.

But at this moment, I'm more focused on US and European biofuels first, then maybe Africa or Asia later on.
 
sheila022 said:
I believe there's ways to provide the third world countries with ways to develop their economics sustainability, instead of just rather exploiting the land/resources and spending like there's no tomorrow.

But at this moment, I'm more focused on US and European biofuels first, then maybe Africa or Asia later on.
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exploiting the land/resource? no.

it's more like.... fighting over the control of land and resource. That's what has been going on in Africa for centuries. Constant state of civil wars..... :roll:
 
Glenn said:
Do you think third world countries are going to buy into that?
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The Third World countries have no reason to go into green technology since they are the one with abundant of resources..... especially oil. Its infrastructure is not well-developed yet to support green technology.

I mean.... Toyota Prius in Africa? comical.
 
sheila022 said:
I believe there's ways to provide the third world countries with ways to develop their economics sustainability, instead of just rather exploiting the land/resources and spending like there's no tomorrow.

But at this moment, I'm more focused on US and European biofuels first, then maybe Africa or Asia later on.
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You prefer that biofuel manufacturers exploit the land rather than food growers?

Every acre used for growing biofuels is one less acre for growing food crops.
 
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Dont you realize that China produces so much pollution and the winds are bringing it to the west us? Thats why China needs to do green technology. The use of automobiles over there boomed. Few decade ago, many were riding bikes and motorcycles.
 
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