Ethanol increase in gas backed by EPA

Sequoias, I think your Civic's CR is 9.4:1. Mine is 9.9:1 CR, D17A2 (I double check the engine code),VETC, rates 127 hp @ 6300 rpm and 114 TQ @ 4800 rpm.
 
tigersharkdude said:
Ethanol is bad for anything...period

I was just saying its worse on high performance engines (FWIW motorcycle, boat, small engines have high RPM's or high performing)
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Maybe they sell E10 blended in gasoline to the stations and didn't label "E10" sticks on the pumps. Who know?
 
It's a bad idea to compete food supplies with energy supplies because it drives up the prices. More demand = higher prices.
 
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deafsmogtech said:
Sequoias, I think your Civic's CR is 9.4:1. Mine is 9.9:1 CR, D17A2 (I double check the engine code),VETC, rates 127 hp @ 6300 rpm and 114 TQ @ 4800 rpm.
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Mines d16y8. 127 hp at 6600 rpm and 106 ft lbs at 5000 rpm.
 
Banjo said:
Enough with the corn. We are paying more for corn than ever because of this. The mind-blowing part is, the corn is already subsidized to start with. Imagine the prices if they weren't!
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deafsmogtech said:
Maybe they sell E10 blended in gasoline to the stations and didn't label "E10" sticks on the pumps. Who know?
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Glenn said:
It's a bad idea to compete food supplies with energy supplies because it drives up the prices. More demand = higher prices.
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Sorry guys- I disagree. If you dont show the high demand for corn, prices for corn will rise. We need to put old dairy farms that quit due to high costs of supplying milk back into production. Once the demand goes high, supply goes high, prices really comes down big time. I dont think we have a shortage of corn to eat. they are NOT the same type of corn. there is sweet corn for eating and feild corn for cows and ethanol.

The local stores around here called wegmans is supporting the local small farmers for produce so if more stores go with local farmers support, more big farms grow corn, we can literally support ourselves to reduce the reliance from importing . look at aldi's- imported cheap food grown in bad soil with lead and such since thier tractors still run on lead. we don't.

its time to take back america before the chinese do.
 
Disagree? It's a fact, the corn industry is heavily subsidized.
 
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Come and visit Iowa and study their corn industry.
 
... and there's a lot of paranoia surrounding China. What is this? Another Red Scare? Hee.
 
crap. I avoid it like a plague. There are a few gas stations around here that don't use ethanol. It's bad for engine. I filled up my bike w/ fuel stabilizer too cuz of ethanol's negative effect on my engine.
 
If anybody wants to visually see how harsh ethanol is, remove your fuel filter and open it up. Look at the insides of it :(
 
It's pretty difficult to find one here that doesn't have any ethanol these days. Sad, I know.
 
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tigersharkdude said:
If anybody wants to visually see how harsh ethanol is, remove your fuel filter and open it up. Look at the insides of it :(
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Time to replace that fuel filter, LOL. I think I got it replaced couple of years ago.
 
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sequoias said:
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Mines d16y8. 127 hp at 6600 rpm and 106 ft lbs at 5000 rpm.
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can't be huh, same hp as mine. Dang.
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Yep, same hp but more torque than mine. Your engine revs at lower rpm band since its slightly bigger bore and stroke.
 
sequoias said:
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Yep, same hp but more torque than mine. Your engine revs at lower rpm band since its slightly bigger bore and stroke.
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Right. I better to go to workrite now. Im late hee heee.
 
Jiro said:
crap. I avoid it like a plague. There are a few gas stations around here that don't use ethanol. It's bad for engine. I filled up my bike w/ fuel stabilizer too cuz of ethanol's negative effect on my engine.
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its tough to find any gas stations without ethanol. just because its not posted doesnt mean no ethanol in gas.

As for stabilizer, I hope you are using the marine version of stabilizer. The regular one doesnt work well with ethanol blend as water gets attracted.
 
radioman said:
its tough to find any gas stations without ethanol. just because its not posted doesnt mean no ethanol in gas.

As for stabilizer, I hope you are using the marine version of stabilizer. The regular one doesnt work well with ethanol blend as water gets attracted.
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better switch to marine-version then..... :mad2:
 
Reba said:
I can't afford a newer car, so my '95 Jeep has to last me.

Too much ethanol is also bad for motorcycle and boat engines, and small engines such as in lawn care equipment.
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On my old post several years ago, E85 Experiment on my old lawnmower. It runs but uses more gas than regular unleaded. I noticed that I have to open up jet more in order to maximize power and to start easier. The upside of Ethanol is that it smells nice! Since after experiment, I changed the setting and continue to use mower with unleaded, it still runs fine.

I am seeing more 4 cycle small engine replacing 2 cycle engines due to Ethanol blend become more common.

The real issue for Ethanol is that it won't mix 2 cycle oil well thus require frequent shaking to keep oil/ethanol mixed before firing up and use (while engine is running, you don't have to shake it, engine vibration would take care of it) . It's very much like grease and water that don't mix. 4 cycle engine won't have problem with it. It'll harden the tubings so you'll need to change tubings to ethanhol resistance tubing. BUT with 15% Ethanol blend, It won't be a problem. Most of the time, you just shake the tank after long sitting.

So if more gas stations have 15% ethanol in unleaded, I'm sure that many old car owners would have to figure the way to convert their car engine to accept E15 gasoline. Sometime if they cherish old cars, They would go for either modify the engine or swap out different engine that would work with Ethanol. For example, on 1950's car that are being built in one factory today uses newer more modern engine so the owner of that car won't have any hassle with California's strict smog law and also being able to accept Ethanol blended unleaded.

Other countries such as Brazil, Sweden use higher Ethanol blend than USA. Brazil had Ethanol mix since 1970's so they don't have problem with it. USA are running behind and are catching up. This is why some people are pissed over more gas service having Ethanol blend. I didn't care about it, as long as engine can just "shut up and run" then I just use the fuel. Today's car can run between 5% to 25% Ethanol blend so it won't be a problem. Any cars older than 20 years old may have issue with it.

As for motorcycle, and rest of small engine vehicle, I wouldn't care at all. But it may be hassle to clean carburetor often or use Seafoam often to keep carb clean.

If performance on motorcycle become weaker due to increasing Ethanol percentage blend on unleaded, I may have to sell and buy motorcycle that have fuel injections to lessen headaches.

Here's the info

Common ethanol fuel mixtures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/EandE/Web_sites/02-03/biofuels/perf_mods.htm

Catty
 
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