Do you approve of Gov. Bush's actions?

Do you approve?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 32.1%

  • No

    Votes: 19 67.9%
  • Total voters
    28
You know why its legal for a vet go kill a pet than a doctor let you die in peace?
Cause youre a burden to the government.Pets dont carry money,Go shopping,Pay taxes or pay bills you do! Pets dont have life insurance.Thats why you cant do it.As long youre hospitalized the insurance company makes all the money they want as long your alive. Its all about money and guess what?? Those judges who refused to reinsert the tube back into Terry Schiavo are apointed by BILL CLINTON So this is all on the democrats hands. I bet even the people of massachusetts wont vote ted kennedy out of office the next election cause most of them are retarded and they dont know any better. Terry Schiavo`s lawyer said if she dies theres gonna be hell to pay for in the next election. And hes right.
 
Tousi said:
Cheri, I understand your emotions but have you thought that to let her live is more cruel than to let her live? I think this will be my last post for the day on this highly emotional issue. I think we should close our day and go to bed on a cheerful note.

Tou "try to never let the sun go down on our anger" si :hug:
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Ooops, dang, I spazzzzed! I meant "to let her live is more cruel than to let her go". Sorry...
 
Umm.. I voted NO.... can not interfere. Sorry Folks.

Same concept for your beloved pet if suffering in misery. so you put them to sleep to put out of misery by injection. I wish it would be same for Terri but starvation. is another issue here.

I wish there was another way rather than starvation. injection will be fine to put her out of misery... too many debates on this issue.
 
Roadrunner said:
Lastly, just how can the law just 'see' only the fact that Michael is legally married but gives in to hindsight that there is also another 'law', try this for size--> 'adultery', meaning he may be legally married, but is currently having consenual sex with another woman whom did bear two children between the two of them? Isn't there such a law that could override his decision based on the fact that he is currently having an affair with another woman? Because the point I'm getting at is simply this, why should the judge(s) be allowed to listen to his pleads when he is currently and obviously having a relationship--I don't agree for a moment that he is entitled to have a 100% 'say' in this ongoing case!
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:gpost: I agree hon,

As for Terri's parent rather to save her daug's life than allowing her to slowly starve to death, but the judges believe the husband's word by saying that this is what Terri wants, I don't believe a moment that Terri would rather to starve herself to death slowly for days and there's no written or other evidences that shows this is what she really wanted...And while his wife, Terri has been in her near vegetative state, Michael already found another woman and had two children with her...Sooo, clearly he's the one who has Terri's best interest in mind to make this life and death decision and not her parents, who are willing to care for her?...And this is how the law works to allow the husband to have 100% say in this case?....

I'm not going to join the fight to kill an innocent woman based the husband who did not stand by his wife or stick by his marriage vows 100%...

The judges did not look it at that way, it was more to do what the law had state but still the laws doesn't show favors of Terri's right to live, but more of having the unfaithful husband to make a life and death decision for her...Leaving out the morality of the issue and looking at it politically, who does it benefit to allow Terri to die a horrible death?....

There are many of us who believes Terri still has a chance to recover with the proper therapy as some doctors had said so too....but the law did not give Terri that chance to recieve that therapy, but to allowing her husband to put Terri to death in a most cruel way by having her starve to death SLOWLY!!!!

I don't like how the law is written at all, or how the case is going either, and YES, I'm one of those people who thinks Terri deserves to have the right to live and should allow her parents to take care of her and to give her the therapy she needs....It is very sad that the husband and the judges did not give Terri that chance to get the help she needed when no one knows if she would have gotten better later....I guess we will never know will we?...I suppose some people give up too quickly and don't have any faith or hope that she will get better soon even if it takes years to do so....I don't know how some people, judges, or her husband can sleep at night knowing that Terri is laying in bed, slowly starving herself to death, and not knowing if this is what she REALLY wanted....I guess we will never know .... :(
 
Tousi said:
Angel, take as long as you need, hon. I, too, have seen the tapes; I am not an unfeeling person but Life is pretty much governed by laws and that is the way it has to be. Sometimes when national attention is drawn to an issue, new laws are made so........anyway, have a good rest of the night.
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Thanks Tousi :hug: ...I just feel helpless that I'm not able to save her life, but I hope the law does change so it won't happen to someone else....I don't think I can go thru this all over again, but hoping that something good will come out of this later...

I think it would be alot easier if someone had a written will, then this wouldn't be so hard to accept....you know.. ;)
 
Yes, Angel, I agree about the will but more specifically, a living trust would be BEAUCOUP better. But that is for another topic.....and a very good morning to you!
 
Here's more info (or a encyclopedia) on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo

Lots of details ... this site is most netural I have seen. not biased.

Tousi and Cheri, The Fla Leg. did try to make a law to require a living will only in order to remove. not verbal as Terri has done (she told her husband, something to the effect; "If I am like this, then I do not want to continue living like this" so he's complying her wishes.)... I doubt it will become law. cuz I think it wouldn't be fair to those who wants to die by telling her/his loved one in presence to pull plug and didn't have a chance to write a living will. anyway see below...

Florida Legislature

On March 17, members of the Florida Legislature were considering a bill that would make removing food and water from patients in a persistent vegetative state illegal without a living will. Although this bill was passed by the Florida House of Representatives by a vote of 78 to 37, the Florida Senate defeated a similar measure hours later, 21 to 16.
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I absolutely agree with you Boult, I don't think it's quite fair to tell your loved ones that you rather to die instead of writting a living will, it could be his word against hers and beside anyone could lie ...No one will know the truth unless there's evidences such as a living will, and I believe with all my heart that the law should be written that way period... that's just the only way we will all know that this is what the person really wanted and it wouldn't have gone this far....
 
I understand, but her brain is dead. That's really sad part. It is the most difficult for anyone to talk about. I think that we have no right to create a law because it is a very personal.

If she didn't write a will, then she doesn't care herself so which means that she prefers to die peacefully. However, I strongly disagree that removing the tube is not the answer. Giving a shot is the best method to quick death without a pain. It is just like push a spoon against your skin that give you a long pain death - in the same idea for removing the tube that starve to death. I cannot imagine that these doctors are really dope.
 
Cheri said:
That is funny how you say that when Michael had the court inferfering in Terri's business to begin with.
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Michael had no choice in the matter. He had to go to court to obtain the court order since the Schindler's were in opposition of Terri's wishes.
 
*sigh*...I know some peeps are not gonna be happy with what I have to say...but I voted NO.

I have been reading all the articles on the case that I could get my sticky hands on, and examinated both sides...and Gov. Jeb did ignore the ruling that the judge gave. He had no authority, and I feel that he did it in order to give his name more prominence as it was rumored that he is planning on running for President sometime soon.

As for Terri, my heart goes out to her and her family. However, I do hope I am never put in the same place she is...and if I am, I hope someone has the courage to shoot my brains out immediately. There is no way I could even imagine being on a bed, 24/7/365, with no hope for recovery. Can you imagine living your life out on a bed, unable to take a bath, read a good book, converse with a friend, or even move around on the bed???

Yes, I did read where Terri is supposed to be able to recognize her own mother and father, but as I read a bit further, it is the portion of her brain that has basic abilities - not recognization. That is in the part that is damaged, and as I noted, about 75% of her brain is permamently damaged. Only the brain stem is undamaged.

Another thing is that is the cost of keeping her alive...How much of the 1M does Michael have left??? He has been using it for court costs, and some of the medical bills...that 1M woud only have lasted maybe 6 months, at the most...all that medical attention isnt cheap. For example, for my Grandfather C, he has Alzheimer's, remember...it was figured out that his medical care amounts to almost 6 to 8,000 a month...that includes nursing home care, medical care, food, lodging, whatever...and he isnt even on life support.

Yes, I did make a living will, but even then, there will be well-meaning peeps that will challenge those...and it means more time, more money, more efforts spent on right-to-life and right-to-die causes.

All in all, if I fall into a persistive vegative state, and someone dares to challenge my living will, please put me out of my misery, immediately. No ifs, whys, and buts. Just do it.
 
webexplorer said:
I understand, but her brain is dead.
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A tiny correction: Terri is brain-DAMAGED, not brain-dead. If she is brain-dead, she would not be able to move at all, or even blink eyes. But since she is brain-damaged she could still have some movements and can certainly blink and look around.

Just thought I'd point it out. And you're not alone; many people kept confusing brain-damaged with brain-dead anyhow.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Michael had no choice in the matter. He had to go to court to obtain the court order since the Schindler's were in opposition of Terri's wishes.
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Terri's wishes?! There was no written will just Michael oral statement, It shouldn't count because It Michael words only and it did not came out of Terri's mouth. Have you heard Terri said that? Or do you believe a 3rd party? Use common sense Oceanbreeze.
 
webexplorer said:
I understand, but her brain is dead. That's really sad part. It is the most difficult for anyone to talk about. I think that we have no right to create a law because it is a very personal
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Brain dead? She was not brain dead. Toonces is correct. :)
 
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webexplorer said:
However, I strongly disagree that removing the tube is not the answer. Giving a shot is the best method to quick death without a pain. It is just like push a spoon against your skin that give you a long pain death - in the same idea for removing the tube that starve to death. I cannot imagine that these doctors are really dope.
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Yep, me too I rather the doctors to find another way to put her to death ( only if this is what SHE wanted ;) ) than slowly starving her to death, that is why I'm so sad about how the doctors had done it this way instead of finding another way that is more quicker....
 
Michael should have gotten divorced and get on with his life with his gf and their kids. That way he wouldnt be bother with all that tangle. Dumb of him.

Yea it is sad and I am not too thrilled to see her suffering for the starvation.
 
Theres much much more reasons why i dont approve bush. One,,Is the war i think we should send our men to afgainistan and pakistan to work on capturing bin laden. I know we were attacked but we captured saddam and that should have been it.The other one is Terri Schiavo issue, The goverment has no business getting involved in this.
 
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