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The principles of the Declaration were the basis for the Constitution. The Constitution is the legal document that supports the ideals of the Declaration. There is no section in the Constitution that voids the right to life without due process of law.
"Men" means "mankind" which means "people".
Women never get the franchise to vote until 1920 so the "men" were ACTUALLY literally-- ONLY men. White. Landowners. Male. Homeless people today don't vote because they have no land so they cannot vote. [Somebody, if I am wrong, PLEASE feel free to correct me. I pray they do have the right to vote because there are MANY MANY programs that we are voting on which will make a HUGE impact for those people! I am surprised they have no say in government who is trying to help them.] It only took a century for women and black population to fight back and make them extending the voting franchise to EVERY NATIVE AND NATURALIZED PERSON. (Later, they extended to every person above 18 years old as well. 21 and above were the only voters allowed...)
We are CONSTANTLY changing our consitution because we are broading our minds and realized our oppressive terms. 1999 was the last drafted verison of MANY verisons of our Consitution. IMAGINE THAT. Our last verison is the LONGEST verison because we HAVE to be SO precise that we don't leave anybody out or create a loophole that may destruct a population group.
[on a side note, I would like to say that we are getting off-topic... we are debating US constituion and decl. of indep when this thread is clearly titled "compare the candidates"... Why don't we throw in a third candidate? Some.... guy from Green Party? Eh? No need? allright then.... let's jump back on the track.]
Honestly, I would like somebody that is pro-Bush to name ...ONE... efficient contribution that Bush has given to us that is POSITIVE for *EVERYBODY.* War in Iraq doesn't COUNT. No Children Left Behind Act disqualifies because it is not exactly a 100% success for Bush's Administration (They endorsed the act yet they cut the after-school programs? hmm)...
Just ONE positive and prosperous nation-wide contribtion Bush had made.
"Men" means "mankind" which means "people".
Women never get the franchise to vote until 1920 so the "men" were ACTUALLY literally-- ONLY men. White. Landowners. Male. Homeless people today don't vote because they have no land so they cannot vote. [Somebody, if I am wrong, PLEASE feel free to correct me. I pray they do have the right to vote because there are MANY MANY programs that we are voting on which will make a HUGE impact for those people! I am surprised they have no say in government who is trying to help them.] It only took a century for women and black population to fight back and make them extending the voting franchise to EVERY NATIVE AND NATURALIZED PERSON. (Later, they extended to every person above 18 years old as well. 21 and above were the only voters allowed...)
We are CONSTANTLY changing our consitution because we are broading our minds and realized our oppressive terms. 1999 was the last drafted verison of MANY verisons of our Consitution. IMAGINE THAT. Our last verison is the LONGEST verison because we HAVE to be SO precise that we don't leave anybody out or create a loophole that may destruct a population group.
[on a side note, I would like to say that we are getting off-topic... we are debating US constituion and decl. of indep when this thread is clearly titled "compare the candidates"... Why don't we throw in a third candidate? Some.... guy from Green Party? Eh? No need? allright then.... let's jump back on the track.]
Honestly, I would like somebody that is pro-Bush to name ...ONE... efficient contribution that Bush has given to us that is POSITIVE for *EVERYBODY.* War in Iraq doesn't COUNT. No Children Left Behind Act disqualifies because it is not exactly a 100% success for Bush's Administration (They endorsed the act yet they cut the after-school programs? hmm)...
Just ONE positive and prosperous nation-wide contribtion Bush had made.
{ Roll Back Cuts for People Making Over $100,000 Strongly Favor (Kerry) Strongly Opposes (Bush) }
Kerry actually want to roll back cuts for those making over $200,000 instead of above.
http://factcheck.org/ is your friends see the lastest entry.. that Bush has been spending $$$ on lots of ads which are recycled which include distortions that has already been debunked by factcheck.org!!! Why is Bush team keep airing them? Obviously, they are hoping that no one will read factcheck.org well remember cheney told us to check facts at www.factcheck.com <-- instead of .org OK We should check www.factcheck.org (not .com as Dick wanted you to visit by mistake)
VOTE NOW AND EARLY!!
KERRY ON!
Kerry actually want to roll back cuts for those making over $200,000 instead of above.
http://factcheck.org/ is your friends see the lastest entry.. that Bush has been spending $$$ on lots of ads which are recycled which include distortions that has already been debunked by factcheck.org!!! Why is Bush team keep airing them? Obviously, they are hoping that no one will read factcheck.org well remember cheney told us to check facts at www.factcheck.com <-- instead of .org OK We should check www.factcheck.org (not .com as Dick wanted you to visit by mistake)
VOTE NOW AND EARLY!!
KERRY ON!
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I wasn't referring to the right to vote, but the right to life. People under the age 18 years still don't have the right to vote, but they still have the right to life.gnarlydorkette said:
Americans without land can vote. That has been true for many, many years.
Not exactly constantly changing; 27 amendments over 216 years is not that many.
Most of the amendments had nothing to do with "oppression". Some examples:
Amendment XI: Suits against states.
Amendment XII: Election of executive branch.
Amendment XIV: Privileges or immunities, due process, elections and debt.
Amendment XVI: Income tax. (hmmm...maybe that one is oppressive after all :thumbd: )
Amendment XVII: Senator election and number.
Amendment XX: "Lame duck" session of Congress eliminated.
Amendment XXII: Limit of Presidential terms.
Amendment XXIII: Election rules for the District of Columbia.
Amendment XXV: Rules of Presidential succession.
Amendment XXVII: Pay raises and Congress.
There probably isn't anything that is positive for "EVERYBODY" because "EVERYBODY" doesn't agree on what is "POSITIVE". It is obvious from this forum that there is no 100% agreement about what is "positive". For example, to people who are pro-life, legislation banning partial-birth abortion is "positive". To people who are pro-abortion, that same legislation is "negative". Same legislation but two different viewpoints.
Well, I think the federal tax cut was positive.
Lol, WHAT tax cut????
The charges that Bush "gave away the store" to the richest of the rich are utterly true, but that is another thread.
For the VAST majority of Americans, the "tax cut" (notice the sarcasm) meant absolutely NOTHING AT ALL. By next year, for instance, 88% of all Americans will receive about $100 or less from the, errrr, "cuts." Above and beyond this fact, however, don't forget that services have been CUT, which is an effective tax INCREASE on average Americans, and actually taking MORE money out of our pockets than we are receiving from the, errrr, "cuts."
http://www.detnews.com/2004/specialreport/0409/26/a01-284666.htm
http://www.bushtax.com/
The charges that Bush "gave away the store" to the richest of the rich are utterly true, but that is another thread.
For the VAST majority of Americans, the "tax cut" (notice the sarcasm) meant absolutely NOTHING AT ALL. By next year, for instance, 88% of all Americans will receive about $100 or less from the, errrr, "cuts." Above and beyond this fact, however, don't forget that services have been CUT, which is an effective tax INCREASE on average Americans, and actually taking MORE money out of our pockets than we are receiving from the, errrr, "cuts."
http://www.detnews.com/2004/specialreport/0409/26/a01-284666.htm
http://www.bushtax.com/
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Speaking for my family, the tax cut was the first time in many years we were able to catch up with the taxes we owed.Beowulf said:Lol, WHAT tax cut????
We are not rich and we benefited from the tax cut. Same for my daughter and son-in-law.
Our tax cut was only $500 because we don't have any dependent children now. But our overall tax rate went down to 15%, which is the lowest it has been in a long time. That is less than what the Bush family pays (over 30%), and more than what the Kerry family pays (12%). Hmmm, I guess the Kerry family benefits the most!
Which ones?
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http://www.bushtax.com/[/QUOTE]
Dean for America 2003 campaign source; no bias there! lol
Dean for America 2003 campaign source; no bias there! lol
Which ones?[/QUOTE]
Nice try, but no dice.
How about the fact that Bush "honors" our veterans by slashing their benefits?
Or the disabled?
Or children's care?
Psychiatric care?
Police forces?
Highway constructons?
Emergency rooms?
It would not MATTER what sites I post, since no doubt those you do not agree with are communist.
Nice try, but no dice.
How about the fact that Bush "honors" our veterans by slashing their benefits?
Or the disabled?
Or children's care?
Psychiatric care?
Police forces?
Highway constructons?
Emergency rooms?
It would not MATTER what sites I post, since no doubt those you do not agree with are communist.
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Only the ones that actually say they are. When you link a source that proudly states it is Communist, how can you deny that? They call themselves "Communist", I don't.Beowulf said:
I'll respond to your list when you give specifics.
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In saying that, you are denying that any services have been cut, do you realize that?
Get real.
Some reactions are beneath the dignity of any sort of response, and your latest one is a prime example of that.
You are making an serious error in judgement if you think you will flimflam us into thinking that all is rosy and peachy keen under Bush.
Get real.
Some reactions are beneath the dignity of any sort of response, and your latest one is a prime example of that.
You are making an serious error in judgement if you think you will flimflam us into thinking that all is rosy and peachy keen under Bush.
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why is Bush signing the $140B corporate tax break filled with porks and special interests giveaways?
check out this google results:
http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+corporate+tax+break&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
check out this google results:
http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+corporate+tax+break&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
But, the funny thing is During the 2000 Presidential campaign, President Bush support for a trigger lock requirement, raising the age limit, and requiring background checks at gun shows. But no legislation on these issues has been initiated by the White House...and now he doesn't support the gun control ha ha what a joke.
I think some people are voting for Bush for all the wrong reasons, Just
because, He wants gay marriage banned, abortion banned, you wanna vote
for him because, you do agree with what Bush is going to do. But, it sounds
really selfish that you thinking about "yourself" instead of "we the people."
It sicken me it isn't about "you" its about every one of us as an American citizen its time to think about others than yourself. What is more important to us is having our nation back on track again? Agreed?
because, He wants gay marriage banned, abortion banned, you wanna vote
for him because, you do agree with what Bush is going to do. But, it sounds
really selfish that you thinking about "yourself" instead of "we the people."
It sicken me it isn't about "you" its about every one of us as an American citizen its time to think about others than yourself. What is more important to us is having our nation back on track again? Agreed?
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UGH!!! I never like any both of them.. I think we will be okay without a president for 4 years!Just do your own business, and just do your own job.
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The pblm is...what?
Bush has his support system, Kerry has his support system...
Those two support systems are working 24/7/365 digging up stories, skewing the thread of those stories to support their purposes, changing facts around, making claims against those changed facts, etc., etc.
No matter what you read, what you see, what you know...it has been changed.
Even YOU YOURSELF, my gentle reader, have changed the facts to suit your beliefs. And I mean ALL OF YOU, including me.
Newspapers will tell you they will report all facts as they come, but do they really? We used to have two newspapers - St. Louis Post-Dispatch and St. Louis Globe-Democrat (and I'm dating myself, cuz it has been YEARS) and it was very, very interesting, because we did get BOTH newspapers...and guess what? Both said they would report as it came, but ... it was to THEIR POINT OF VIEW!!!! The Post was more liberal and the Globe was more conservative, and it showed big time.
Its the same with the news on the Internet; by word of mouth; posting; etc., etc.
I have read many of the same articles as you have, and I noticed something... none of you were really reporting it as is. You were all reporting it from your own point of view.
Now, I am not saying that you are not entitled to your opinion, because you are. I am just being careful... explain that it is your point of view, not what is being reported.
That's why when I say soemthing, I try to insert these little words...my own opinion, my POV. Sometimes I forget, and therefore, I'm guilty. Go ahead and hang me by my own petard.
Im just saying ... dont get into an argument, dont force the others to change their beliefs to your own, but HONOR each and every other's POV. It's what makes the world spin, and I do enjoy reading it all, because it's something new and unusual to me, therefore it's interesting.
Remember this, it's only an election. It's not the end of the world. My own belief is that the world will keep rolling on, no matter what happens. And that my little part of the world is a good place to live, no matter what happens.
I'm voting for the lesser of the two evils. Period.
Bush has his support system, Kerry has his support system...
Those two support systems are working 24/7/365 digging up stories, skewing the thread of those stories to support their purposes, changing facts around, making claims against those changed facts, etc., etc.
No matter what you read, what you see, what you know...it has been changed.
Even YOU YOURSELF, my gentle reader, have changed the facts to suit your beliefs. And I mean ALL OF YOU, including me.
Newspapers will tell you they will report all facts as they come, but do they really? We used to have two newspapers - St. Louis Post-Dispatch and St. Louis Globe-Democrat (and I'm dating myself, cuz it has been YEARS) and it was very, very interesting, because we did get BOTH newspapers...and guess what? Both said they would report as it came, but ... it was to THEIR POINT OF VIEW!!!! The Post was more liberal and the Globe was more conservative, and it showed big time.
Its the same with the news on the Internet; by word of mouth; posting; etc., etc.
I have read many of the same articles as you have, and I noticed something... none of you were really reporting it as is. You were all reporting it from your own point of view.
Now, I am not saying that you are not entitled to your opinion, because you are. I am just being careful... explain that it is your point of view, not what is being reported.
That's why when I say soemthing, I try to insert these little words...my own opinion, my POV. Sometimes I forget, and therefore, I'm guilty. Go ahead and hang me by my own petard.
Im just saying ... dont get into an argument, dont force the others to change their beliefs to your own, but HONOR each and every other's POV. It's what makes the world spin, and I do enjoy reading it all, because it's something new and unusual to me, therefore it's interesting.
Remember this, it's only an election. It's not the end of the world. My own belief is that the world will keep rolling on, no matter what happens. And that my little part of the world is a good place to live, no matter what happens.
I'm voting for the lesser of the two evils. Period.
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All new guns sold in America are required to have locks included.Cheri said:
The age limit for buying handguns is 21.
The age limit for buying long guns (rifles, shotguns) varies from state to state.
Background checks are required for buying guns at gun shows.
Legislation is initiated by the Congress, not the White House. Congress is the legislative branch, and the President (White House) is the executive branch.
We don't need more gun-control laws. There are too many laws restricting our Second Amendment rights. Law-abiding Americans should be allowed to buy their guns. Criminals should be fully prosecuted and sentenced for using guns in the commission of crimes.
Reba...
Be careful of what you say. Remember the assault weapon ban has expired...
I have to say I support gun control, the more the better.
My cousin was killed by her ex husband ... by a shotgun, bought in a store.
My other cousin was maimed by a so-called "family friend"... bye a hunting rifle, bought in a store.
I was shot by an ex boyfriend...by a handgun, bought at a show.
Besides, guess what? You dont have to obtain a gun in a store or a show...you can get it off the street. Illegally, but still obtainable.
You may say, guns dont kill people, people kill people...but guns helps people kill people.
Doesnt matter what Bush may support, we have the voice. Our voices are the most powerful thing we have in making ourselves heard, and we have the power to sway the government by our voices and our freedom of choice to vote.
Be careful of what you say. Remember the assault weapon ban has expired...
I have to say I support gun control, the more the better.
My cousin was killed by her ex husband ... by a shotgun, bought in a store.
My other cousin was maimed by a so-called "family friend"... bye a hunting rifle, bought in a store.
I was shot by an ex boyfriend...by a handgun, bought at a show.
Besides, guess what? You dont have to obtain a gun in a store or a show...you can get it off the street. Illegally, but still obtainable.
You may say, guns dont kill people, people kill people...but guns helps people kill people.
Doesnt matter what Bush may support, we have the voice. Our voices are the most powerful thing we have in making ourselves heard, and we have the power to sway the government by our voices and our freedom of choice to vote.
You go DreamDeaf! 
I too support Gun Control also, agreeing with everything DreamDeaf had posted.
We do not need people running around crazy in america with guns. There are always other ways to protect yourself instead of using guns.
I too support Gun Control also, agreeing with everything DreamDeaf had posted.
We do not need people running around crazy in america with guns. There are always other ways to protect yourself instead of using guns.