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^Angel^ said:
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I believe abortion is wrong too, so that means I could never run for a president.... :(
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Abortion should be needed if women have medical problems and is in life dangerous.
 
Cheri said:
Why do people make a big deal out of it? It doesn't effect me at all, what effect me the most is how America is running.:)
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But the character of the people running the country is important, it does effect you. You do want to elect people that you can trust. You want to elect officials who care about the country and the people, not officials who just care about themselves.

Kerry did not care what happened to the soldiers in Vietnam.
Do you really think he cares about what happens to you?
 
Cheri said:
Abortion should be needed if women have medical problems and is in life dangerous.
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Therapeutic abortions to protect the life of the mother are very rare. Most abortions done in America are for the convenience of the mother, not for health necessity. The partial-birth abortion has no medical benefit for the mother and should be banned. John Kerry voted against the ban. Why?

Kerry says he believes abortion is wrong. His actions don't support his beliefs.
 
Reba said:
But the character of the people running the country is important, it does effect you. You do want to elect people that you can trust. You want to elect officials who care about the country and the people, not officials who just care about themselves.

Kerry did not care what happened to the soldiers in Vietnam.
Do you really think he cares about what happens to you?
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If it is really true that it happened so what it is all in the past people do change if they wanted to, no reason to dwell on the past... we are talking about present right now 2004. (not 1970's) :)
 
Reba said:
Therapeutic abortions to protect the life of the mother are very rare. Most abortions done in America are for the convenience of the mother, not for health necessity. The partial-birth abortion has no medical benefit for the mother and should be banned. John Kerry voted against the ban. Why?

Kerry says he believes abortion is wrong. His actions don't support his beliefs.
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I do know women have abortion for the heck of it. I never said abortion is correct for those who do that.

You haven't read my posts in the past so I think u should not jump and put words in my mouth or head. :mad2:

Why don't you ask John Kerry that question not me.
 
Cheri said:
Abortion should be needed if women have medical problems and is in life dangerous.
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If some women has medical problems and their life is in danger then why the hell didn't they protect themselves during sex?...Why should an innocent unborn child get murder in the result of an abortion?
 
Reba said:
It wasn't just his "personal business"; he lied to the Grand Jury under oath.
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Well, I would lie if I was on television in front of millions of people asking if I had got a blow job from a chick who lived next door.
 
Beowulf said:
LOL.
That is history.
Get over it.
Bush lied to us about Iraq.
When Clinton lied, nobody died.
Bush's lying is costing us lives.
BUSH NEEDS TO GO!
VOTE FOR KERRY!
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I'd rather have a liar who saves lives than a liar who loses lives.
 
Abortion is a personal choice. Reba thinks that if a president says abortion is wrong, he should ban abortion. That sets a dangerous precedent in taking rights from you.

I think rodeos are wrong yet I wouldn't call for ban on rodeos. I think cigarettes are wrong but I wouldn't ban them. And it goes on and on. Just because I think it's wrong doesn't mean that I should ban them. People have the freedom and they can do whatever they think is acceptable to their standards.

-jeff
 
Sorry if this is a bit off the topic...

Abortion is such a hot and sticky topic effecting many of us and how each of us believe it ought to be...for myself, I am against abortions likewise, I can't see a woman making the decision on her behalf when the 'fetus' IS a living thing, a human being and can't speak or act out such a decision to have their own life taken away for the many various of reasons the woman wants it so...like Reba stated earlier, the health issues affecting a pregnant woman into having an abortion is low and not widespread as one would think it would be....

One of my personal expressive feelings for why I am voting Bush is of this fact that he is for banning abortions (I'm sure in extreme cases where an abortion is the ultimate and last choice in order to save a woman's life or her health is at a high risk, not just because a child might be deformed, missing a leg, arm, etc...or detected with some drastic malady or disease)....
 
netrox said:
Abortion is a personal choice. Reba thinks that if a president says abortion is wrong, he should ban abortion. That sets a dangerous precedent in taking rights from you.

I think rodeos are wrong yet I wouldn't call for ban on rodeos. I think cigarettes are wrong but I wouldn't ban them. And it goes on and on. Just because I think it's wrong doesn't mean that I should ban them. People have the freedom and they can do whatever they think is acceptable to their standards.

-jeff
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:werd: If Abortion was not allowed Women are going to find ways to get one anyways.. :)
 
Roadrunner said:
One of my personal expressive feelings for why I am voting Bush is of this fact that he is for banning abortions
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First, a bill must pass both houses of Congress by a majority vote. After it has passed out of Congress, it is sent along to the President. If the President signs the bill, it becomes law. That doesn't mean Bush has all the power to change the law. :mrgreen:
 
Very true Cheri-tootsie sis, yet, he's the only one that is willingly supporting it.... ;)
 
Reba said:
But the character of the people running the country is important, it does effect you. You do want to elect people that you can trust. You want to elect officials who care about the country and the people, not officials who just care about themselves.

Kerry did not care what happened to the soldiers in Vietnam.
Do you really think he cares about what happens to you?
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Yes, by all means, let's talk about character and trust.
Kerry is a decorated Vietnam combat veteran and he has the respect of LEGIONS of veterans in this country.
Bush was a draft dodger who did not take his military service seriously and went AWOL. Most of our troops in Iraq have contempt for him.
Now, whom can you trust to be Commander in Chief, a combat veteran or a deserter?

Click the link below and you will see a WORLD of difference between Democrats and Republicans. The MAJORITY of our Democrats have served in the military. The Majority of Republicans have not served--they just talk from the sides of their mouths and make others fight for them.

http://rense.com/general58/pattern.htm
 
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I want to say that while I do not support abortion, there will ALWAYS be abortions done anyway whether they are legal or not.

For centuries, women have butchered their bodies by going to illegal abortionists and most have died from that. Black market makes so much illicit money from that and leave women dying on the table because they are always on the run from the law.

I majored in Public Health and this is a very tragic subject. It is not a win-win situation but in the end, we need to legalize abortions because that will save their lives.

Granted some women may have abortions because they make silly mistakes or poor judgement calls but we cannot have them die at the hands of people wanting to make money off them. Most women have abortions because they are very young, poor, with men who dumped them or threatened to leave them if they dont have abortions, etc.

The best approach is EDUCATION! Children should be taught about sex at very early age and make wise choices by the time they enter adulthood.
 
Absolutely. IF abortion becomes illegal, then only the wealthy would be able to afford flying to a neighboring country to have them.
The death toll from "coat-hanger" abortions would rise DRAMATICALLY. However, that apparently does not seem to bother the "pro-lifers."
Men should NOT be allowed to decide what is to be done with women's bodies, period. If a foreign tissue invades a woman's body and space, only SHE ought to be the one to decide what to do about it, not a megalomaniac of a cowardly deserter and drunk sitting in some Oval Office.
This issue should be decided by popular vote, not a privileged few.
 
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"I vote for Kerry because he doesn't allow his own beliefs to be crammed on others, which Bush is quite good at. "

THIS COUNTRY IS BASED ON FREEDOM OF LIFE, PROPERSITY, AND PROPERTY.
YOU CANNOT IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS AND OPINIONS ON OTHERS. If you are against abortions, you CANNOT force everybody to respect your choices.
KERRY is a CATHOLIC and he is AGAINST abortions
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HE UNDERSTANDS THE CONSTITUTIONS which request him to THINK ABOUT EVERYBODY'S RIGHT TO HAVE C-H-O-I-C-E-S!

Bush acted upon his PERSONAL OPINIONS. He acted upon Iraq because he was the son of a person who Iraq had trouble with. If he STOPPED and THOUGHT for a second, he may reconsider his mistake for acting upon his emotions which put people at RISK. BUSH doesn't see where he JUMPS at. Kerry sees and figure out and choose the BEST for EVERYBODY. Kerry is for THE PEOPLE, Bush is for HIMSELF and people who PAY him.

Kerry RESPECTS YOUR CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS even though it conflicts with his personal opinions.
(THIS IS WHY his opinions and actions conflict, Reba... BECAUSE HE KNOWS PEOPLE WANTS THEIR CHOICES OPEN. He RESPECTS you.)

THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GO. You dont want a strongly Islamic president imposing a woman to be submissive to men by wrapping in cloth... You dont want a strong religious imposing his religious beliefs on YOU. THIS APPLIES TO BUSH AS WELL.


SAY NO TO BUSH, SAY NO TO TYRANNY.
 
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Did any of you watch the presidental debate??

It helped me a lot to determine which candidate I feel content with.

There are some positive arguments on the side of Bush (on accounts of what Cheney SAID... not on what Bush said-- he is the WORST orator in the world and he hung up on stupid details... He definitly is not an educated man, but many in general understands him, so i guess that is why he got the job as the president. BUT CHENEY IS A GOOD CANDIDATE. If he runs for President against Kerry, I WILL HAVE A DILEMMA.)

But I felt strongly with Kerry (I don't like Edwards. He is only tagging along for good looks. He is using the same method as JFK did-- young, friendly and family man with good repuation. I am worried about him staining Kerry's presidency. Edwards only wants to be in the white house. He joined the Senate within last year and spend most of the time CAMPAINING for himself to be a president... NOT A GOOD CANDIDATE but KERRY MAKES UP FOR THE LACKOF EDWARDS HAS.)
 
gnarlydorkette, I am totally speechless with your post. I have to say I totally agree with you 100%...Like I said before in some of my posts I never wanted this war to begin with I thought it was a bad move, bad idea.. but, does he care what we think? It's costing everyone lives down there. 9/11 never been solved, it's like pushing it all under a rug. It upsets me a great deal. Even worse Bush's 9/11 Commission didn't address any of Edmonds' accusations, including her closed-door testimony that in April 2001, a long-term FBI informant had revealed "Osama Bin Laden was planning a major terrorist attack in the United States, targeting 4-5 major cities," and that the attack was going to involve airplanes. You've got to wonder what is going on? This outrage must stop, or we will never be safe again.:(
 
gnarlydorkette said:
THIS COUNTRY IS BASED ON FREEDOM OF LIFE, PROPERSITY, AND PROPERTY. YOU CANNOT IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS AND OPINIONS ON OTHERS. If you are against abortions, you CANNOT force everybody to respect your choices.
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Amen!

People who oppose abortions say that fetuses have the right to life and liberty therefore should be protected by the Consitution but the U.S. Constitution says differently:

"Amendment XIV: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Since a fetus is NOT yet born, he has no rights.

-jeff
 
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