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I recently arrived from the class, wow... my mind is still spinning from this issue. That professor in my class is my favorite japanese teacher, he is loaded with knowledges and interesting informations. He is originally from Japan and moved in here several years ago as medical professor at university where I am attending at right now. He told us that he have a high fever and feel sick so he decided to put a hold on 'routine' lessons and want to share something with us. He recieved the information thru his contacts about CST, Clone Sexual Therapy in Japan. All of us were shocking when we heard about it.

What does CST do? He used America as example, he stated that FBI or certain government have approx 15 - 20% of americans' dna for now... he predicted that it will be mandatory for us to give our dna thru blood test or whatever for databanks. Anyway, he uses Britney Spears' dna as example... He was saying that what if Tony, a regular joe in America as example.. Tony wants to have a sex with Britney Spears but of course, BS would decline, not interesting or married... All Tony can do is go to CST Corporation with load of money to 'order' the clone of Britney Spears thru her dna as girlfriend or wife of Tony. Voila! Britney Spears is right there and ready to pleases Tony in the bed. The professor explained about CST that the scientists will modify the dna to make sure that woman-clone will be infertile to prevent the clone-crossover pregnacy for insurance, population and crime reasons. They also will memory-manipulated the woman-clone's memory to make her stay with her original buyer a.k.a. Tony.

What is even more disturbing about that... The professor said that CST emphasized that will be only for men, not women in Japan. They dare to blame women for not giving them the opportunities. Right now, that's only politican/scientist's bubble talk (as the professor called it). No CST corporation yet in Japan... (note: My interpreter kept showing her shocking expressions in every few minutes during these explainations about CST. Who wouldn't?)

Actually professor explained the details about CST and shows the diagrams of DNA and other things. It took nearly half hour for him to finish explaining to us about CST and its theory & system. After that, he sat down and told us to discuss away then he drank the teas to relax. We did for an hour or so, still not enough time...

So... if CST comes up for real, for both genders in America or any countries, what do you think of that? What will you feel about that? To me, it is quite disturbing to think about it. I can understand men's desire to have sex with these stars or whoever (and women's desire too) but that is like wrong and unnatural... I feel that it will throw the monkey wrench in the balance of nature which will end up chaotic or worse. It is like playing 'God'.

Again, what do you think? What do you feel about CST? Discuss away. (I will post few more whenever I finally remember to add. I regretted that I didn't write the note down or ask the notetaker to write it down for me. I think all of us are mind-blown at that moment)
 
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:shock: that should be made ILLEGAL! i would NOT want a clone walking around out there that is a duplicate of me! :nono: :thumbd:

at some point i imagine a high percentage of americans would vote NO on the cloning of humans -- its immoral and insane!

the only "cloning" that can happen naturally is if the mom happens to have multiple births with twins, triplets whatever where all the kids are identical twins -- this is acceptable cuz it HAPPENS naturally NOT by a doctor manipulating DNA to get a "twin" of a person cloned!
 
I can imagine a lot of problems in the future with this. Suppose if Britney Spears found out someone cloned her to become someone else's sex partner, she could file lawsuit. The paparazzi would have field day chasing after the cloned Britney Spears and make many headlines in gossip newspaper, etc. This would hurt the original Britney's repuation. What if Tony found someone else that he likes better and the cloned Britnie would stay by him because her brain was programmed to stay by him? Magatsu, that class sure was mind-blowing! If I was you, I would be so shocked and speechless...wow
 
yea plus the thought is just INSANE -- what if its a stalker that the origional person had to deal with then the stalker gets the cloned version of the origional person -- fuck that shit! its gonna get MUCH MUCH worse for sure!

:thumbd: !!!!!!!!!
 
Yes, Fly Free...this is the beginning of many, many problems if they go ahead with cloning for sex partners only. I am very much against this too.
 
Hmm... this is nice! I could have a clone of any woman I want and have fun all night long! :naughty:
 
Peachy Lady said:
I can imagine a lot of problems in the future with this. Suppose if Britney Spears found out someone cloned her to become someone else's sex partner, she could file lawsuit. The paparazzi would have field day chasing after the cloned Britney Spears and make many headlines in gossip newspaper, etc. This would hurt the original Britney's repuation. What if Tony found someone else that he likes better and the cloned Britnie would stay by him because her brain was programmed to stay by him? Magatsu, that class sure was mind-blowing! If I was you, I would be so shocked and speechless...wow
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That's one thing I am wondering about... Your post reminded me about one thing right now... The professor said that once we 'give away' our dna to the government, it becomes their propriety, not ours anymore. It means that clone of mine or yours don't have the rights either.. its rights belong to the buyer's. Well, I can use the DVD movie as example. When you come in and buy the DVD from Target then bring it to your place. Yes, it is yours because you bought it but it is not yours. Its copyrights & licences are still belong to its original manufacture companies. It means that you cannot copy and give it (copy of DVD) away to your friends, you will be arrested for breaking the copyright laws.

That is similar situation as our dna. Once we 'give away' our dna to the databank in government... it becomes their propriety and copyrights, corporations can buy these and becomes theirs. Clone's rights and proprieties (included ours) will be VERY messy. Professor explained that's why clone companies are not sure what to do with copyright and propriety issues if it surfaces. If our dna's rights and proprieties becomes government's or corporation's, how can we sue them? You brought up a good point.
 
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This reminds me of X-men -- where a lady transformed herself into politician replacing that guy who died, could use her position as a politician to steer the Nation to wherever she wants. Now imagine cloning Bush, then steer Nation against Bush's true intention.
 
LinuxGold said:
This reminds me of X-men -- where a lady transformed herself into politician replacing that guy who died, could use her position as a politician to steer the Nation to wherever she wants. Now imagine cloning Bush, then steer Nation against Bush's true intention.
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Bush clones? ok, you will give me the nightmares this night. No thank to you .____.
 
Wondering how long these clones have to grow first???

Letting you know I've seen REAL pictures of britney.. and she's .. my god UGLY.
 
Heck no.. I don't want someone else to clone me fo rmy pleasure.. heck no.. and it's unnatural!
 
Cloning humans is internationally illegal.

A cloned human would still have to be implanted in a woman's womb for a full-term pregnancy, and then be born and age normally. You can't get an "instant" Britney.

A cloned human would still have all the civil rights of a naturally conceived human. Buying and selling humans is illegal; that is slavery.
 
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Cloning humans is internationally illegal.

A cloned human would still have to be implanted in a woman's womb for a full-term pregnancy, and then be born and age normally. You can't get an "instant" Britney.

A cloned human would still have all the civil rights of a naturally conceived human. Buying and selling humans is illegal; that is slavery.
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That will not be any longer. The professor mentioned that countries are waiting for Bush (I don't want to bring Bush up until you mentioned about illegal) to break the international law by bringing the weapon into the space (some kind of treaty, I don't remember which one). So it means that they will go ahead with clones once Bush did. That's why CST talks start to bubble up in Japan right now included Europe but different case.

Interational law on clone will be diminishing and dismissed in few years or later than that. Professor of mine usually are right about these (Heck, he predicted that Bush will refuse to sign the Kyoto treaty even before Bush announced and he is right). It is a matter of time, not law any longer.

Edit: And yes, you can 'instant' birth without pregnancy but of course, it will take a while to grow up with artificial growth hormones. There is no limits in these technology, only our imaginations. And clones may NOT have the rights (read my DVD copyright issue in my previous post). You shall see soon or later. I wish you are in my class, you will understand more about these. Oh well, the professor will cover more about this next week since almost all of us want to hear more.

Second Edit: The professor have a strong background in genetic engineering (12 years) and won five awards in genetic engineering & philosophy, I believe he know what he is talking about clones.
 
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That will not be any longer. The professor mentioned that countries are waiting for Bush (I don't want to bring Bush up until you mentioned about illegal) to break the international law by bringing the weapon into the space (some kind of treaty, I don't remember which one). So it means that they will go ahead with clones once Bush did. That's why CST talks start to bubble up in Japan right now included Europe but different case.
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Found it. Thank to my classmate who showed me when I asked her about your post (Reba). Here it is:

space weapons

For nearly a half-century, the cooperative and peaceful use of space has yielded immense benefits to humans worldwide. Although space has been "militarized"—military satellites have been deployed for purposes ranging from the verification of arms control treaties to providing targeting information to military forces on Earth—it has not yet been "weaponized." Despite Cold War tensions and the technical capability to do so, no nation has deployed destructive weapons in space or destroyed the satellites of another nation.

However, this norm may be breached in the near future. The Bush administration appears to have a serious interest in anti-satellite (ASAT) weapons, and the Pentagon has announced its intention to pursue a testbed for space-based missile defenses by 2008. The testbed deployment would entail putting one or more missile-targeting interceptor satellites into orbit.

Weapons in space are likely to be politically destabilizing. They may threaten the commercial, scientific, and military use of space, all without clearly reaping their intended security benefits. The international community, notably including Russia and China, Canada, and the countries of the European Union, supports creating a treaty to ban weapons from outer space. Serious multilateral discussion about "rules of the road" for space is needed.

Which rules and norms are established is especially important for the United States, the country most reliant on space assets. The United States owns and operates the vast majority of satellites orbiting today, and space has become critical to US economic, scientific, and military interests. Though the United States and the former republics of the Soviet Union have long dominated the use of space, currently many states are investing in space assets and have developed or are developing the ability to use space peacefully.

Insight into the Bush administration’s troubling plans can be found in the January 2001 report of the Commission to Assess United States National Security Space Management and Organization, chaired by Donald Rumsfeld shortly before he became Secretary of Defense. Although the report stresses defensive space operations, it endorses also the notion of "space control" and specifically calls for anti-satellite technology, stating that "The U.S. will require means of negating satellite threats, whether temporary and reversible or physically destructive."

A long-established norm has kept destructive weapons from being stationed in space or being used against space-based targets. The Outer Space Treaty of 1967, signed by more than 90 countries including the United States, bans weapons of mass destruction from space and stipulates that "The exploration and use of outer space…shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries, irrespective of their degree of economic or scientific development, and shall be the province of all mankind…[and] shall be guided by the principle of co-operation and mutual assistance…"
A number of other relevant treaties and international agreements exist, but the legal framework addressing space weaponization is far from comprehensive. Continuing the peaceful use of space will require cooperation among space-faring states and refined international laws and means of dealing with conflict.

UCS's project on space weapons is intended to analyze the range of technical issues underlying the development, use, and control of space weapons, and to use this analysis to develop recommendations for US and international policy on these issues.

Source: http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/space_weapons/index.cfm


So if Bush can break the treaty like that then Japan have the rights to break the international law on clone too. As the professor said, they (Japan, Russia, Europe Union, etc) are preparing for it.
 
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Another good example: http://www.savingsandclone.com/

Genetic Savings & Clone enriches the lives of pet lovers through superior cloning technologies. Cat cloning available today; dog cloning available in 2005.
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That is the beginning of the age of cloning. Thank to classmate of mine for the link.
 
Sweden's legislation on human cloning:

Riksdag press release
TUESDAY 23 NOVEMBER 2004
Forbidden to produce children by cloning
The method used in somatic nucleus transference is partially the same as that used in reproductive cloning, that is to say cloning to produce children. But cloning with the aim of creating new life is to be explicitly and unambiguously forbidden both in research and in other contexts.
http://www.riksdagen.se/english/work/press/200405/stem_cell_research.asp

I doubt that Sweden will change its cloning laws just because the U.S. puts weapons in space. What would be the relevancy in that?

The above is just one example.
 
Well, you may know as well that Sweden have more moralities than America so I know for sure that they will not go any far than that like clones. I am not saying that I am supporting the idea of cloning. I strongly against it and always will be.

But you cannot deny the possibility that some countries will go and break the cloning law when Bush himself break the treaty with gleeful attitude. I mean, they will get the picture that as long as Bush can break the international treaty like that, so why not they do that too? I don't think the countries would stand by and be passive about it, mark my words. They may be foreigners but they sure aren't dumb about it.

It is best off to not be naive about it. Well, professor made a prediction about it, we shall see if he is right or not.
 
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