Can you bear the truth?

[Reba]

i thought this is a place where we can come to have share our laughs and experiences/stories .. but with people like you shoving it like angiepoo stated in above.. will make people not want to share their experiences/stories.. .

I really appreciate brave members who have told their very sad stories about their abortion experiences. That is strong proof how awful abortion is for the women because it is such a terrible life-long effect on them. Their stories should help other women understand that abortion is not the right choice.

Women who have already had abortions should not be bashed for that because it is past. The past cannot be undone. But we can use past experiences to change our lives and seek a better way. The past sins can be forgiven, and future sins can be prevented.

That was the point of my thread. There is too much propaganda in the world that says abortion is just a minor surgical procedure to remove a clump of cells. The pro-abortion propaganda never admits that babies are killed and women are physically and emotionally damaged.

Even if women want "choice" it needs to be fully informed choice. Women need to know the truth about what really happens during and after abortion.

 

[FeistyChick]

Why give Cheri a hug when you have done nothing but backstabbed her? Please no more being 2 faced.

AGREED!!
she backstabbed me too!! sheesh.. and i didn't do anything wrong to her.. sheesh!! she is a girl is all i know..

 

[Crazymanw00t]

So you are calling these women sluts who had abortions because they were raped??????

So you are calling these women sluts who had abortions because their boyfriends ran off? Men do LIE and many run off, refusing to be responsible for their sperm donation.

So you are calling tehse women sluts who had abortions because ythey were in teens and never got any proper public health information about sex and most may have parents who neglected them and they didn't know any better??

You should stop judging the WHOLE population and look at case by case situation. Each situation is unique. Yes, abortion is horrible but so are the circumstances leading up to it with a few exceptions. You need to stop judging the whole population.

I suggest that you spend a weekend at an abortion clinic and talk to these women and put yourself in their shoes before you feel you are entitled to pass out harsh judgements.

Morality does not always play a role in this - many women have abortions despite their morals but because of socioencomoical status, educationl, age, lack of male support, etc.

C’mom wake up!
Look at our children doing deep thing in their relationship compared to our past. It is too sad that they are cheated or rape or anything. They need to learn the lines between deep relationship and relationship. I support the idea for kids or adult are forbid to make-out until after marriage. No sex before marriage. No grabbing or dry sex before marriage. They need to have complete trust, know this person for more than 3 to 5 years, and love the person. When they became fiancé and they will be apart for few months or years to see that they really want each other and then they are ready for marriage life. On those processes and the Christian should practice like that to have long-term marriage.

Sometime women bring the rape to them or sometime men rapes women for no reasons. Remember any women that were rape and got pregnant is extremely rare!

MAIN POINT OF ABORTION- YOU HAVE THE POWERS TO KILL OR END THE BABY'S LIFE.

Therefore, it is murder at any reasons.

The women with babies inside the womb and their baby died inside womb by the Mother Nature. Therefore, it is not murder because Mother Nature caused it.

Ok, why did they had sex at first place? Why did they had sex before marriage? Why they did had sex with men that couldn't support or be father if they got pregnant? Why they had sex if they feel that they aren't ready to have family? Why did they played the game of risk being pregnant? AND, they are asking for abortion. That is oh please and the answer is no-no.

Bible made it clear. No sex before marriage or the problems will affects on your life. You may disagree with it and thats fine with me because I am not part of your life. You choose either obey bible or disobey it.

 

[Reba]

How do you know that we never committed our sins? What do you mean by changing out ways are you talking about abortion or are you talking about unweb mothers who have children?

I am talking about every person, every sin. Each person has different sins. The person who lies needs to quit lying. The person who steals needs to quit stealing. The person who cheats on income tax needs to quit cheating. Etc.

 

[Reba]

...Like I suggested to Y, you need to spend a weekend at an abortion clinic to put yourself in their shoes. You will be amazed by their heartbreaking answers. Not everyone were raised like you, Reba...

You don't know how I was raised. My family life was not perfect. My parents were divorced. My father was an alcoholic, adulterer, atheist. We were poor. We moved frequently. Life was not easy. I am not complaining, just explaining that you really don't know how I was raised.

You are fortunate not to have to face such situations and your faith keeps you going.

Again, you don't know what kind of past experiences I had to face. I didn't become a Christian until age 28, so I did not always have my faith to keep me going.

Poverty is a huge factor.

I have been unemployed and on food stamps for a while in the past. Many times my food cupboard was empty.

Lack of male support is a huge factor.

Before I met my hubby, I was "dumped" by guys. No male support.

... when someone is down on rock bottom, desperately seeking a solution that is not always wise but nonetheless seem feasible for time being.

That is why I say the past is past. We have all made mistakes, wrong decisions, and sins. What is important is what we do next. We can't move on and change if we think we never did anything wrong.

I have counseled many women who had abortions. Every single of them carrys HUGE guilt. Every single of them will never forget it.

That is why it is very important to warn them of the truth before it is too late. It is also important to offer them the opportunity to repent and be forgiven. If they seek God's forgiveness, He will heal their guilt.

 

[DreamDeaf]

I am very saddened by the direction this thread is taking and I do admit that I did cry about all this - it is such a senstive subject and should not be so hotly debated or the poor women accused of a criminal action. Many of the remarks posted here were calculated to HURT us those who made the difficult choice, or had the choice forced on us. This should NEVER have happened here, and I now know that there are bigoted people on this forum that has no tolerance for other people faced with difficult choices.

I have always believed that abortion is a woman's choice, and that while there will be people that do not agree with this, it oftentimes becomes necessary...

Would you force a 12 year old girl to give birth to her father's child?

Would you force a woman who was gang-raped to give birth to a child that may not even be adoptable?

Would you force a teenager to give birth while still in high school, knowing that she may miss at least a year of school and face ridicule by her peers?

Many are able to give birth and give up for adoption - I applaud these brave souls. I am one of them - I gave birth to a baby girl while in college, and gave her up for adoption.

However, I am one of those women who made the difficult choice and had an abortion - for medical reasons, I admit, since the baby had died in the womb, but without Roe vs Wade, I would not have been able to do that. Yes, I would have been forced to carry the dead baby full-term or had an illegal surgery to remove the fetus.

Before you say that it was pefectly okay to do that, I have checked the records and history, and if Roe vs Wade had not been passed by the Supreme Court, it would have been ILLEGAL to have an abortion, medical reason or not. In all likelihood, I would have died from complications.


And for you those who would judge us... I call you hypocrites.

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.” - Matthew 7:1-5

 

[Y]

My action and my behaviors explain that?

I can judge you and/or anyone
who had an abortion before and
then you have another 2 boys (just as an example).
Where and How did you get 2 boys from ??
Pls understand that the Good Lord loves and
forgive you anyway ! I believe that you already
asked the Lord to forgive your sins anyway...
Everyone is a sinner, including me...
That's the whole point !

 

[Angel]

I can judge you and/or anyone
who had an abortion before and
then you have another 2 boys (just as an example).
Where and How did you get 2 boys from ??
Pls understand that the Good Lord loves and
forgive you anyway ! I believe that you already
asked the Lord to forgive your sins anyway...
Everyone is a sinner, including me...
That's the whole point !

That's enough Y!

 

[Cheri]

I can judge you and/or anyone
who had an abortion before and
then you have another 2 boys (just as an example).
Where and How did you get 2 boys from ??
Pls understand that the Good Lord loves and
forgive you anyway ! I believe that you already
asked the Lord to forgive your sins anyway...
Everyone is a sinner, including me...
That's the whole point !

You saying, I didn't learn my lesson at the first time when I had an abortion, having my two boys does not make me repeated my sins. I only had abortion once under my parent controlled. I am not going to say it again. Just because I make love to my boyfriend I have been with longer that doesn't make me a 'slut'. You know nothing about me, Nothing at all. I do not regret having my beauitful boys, they are the love of my life. How dare you talk that way about my boys and about me. Honestly I do not like who you are and I think you one cold heart bitch!

 

[DreamDeaf]

I can judge you and/or anyone who had an abortion before and
then you have another 2 boys (just as an example). Where and How did you get 2 boys from ?? Pls understand that the Good Lord loves and forgive you anyway ! I believe that you already asked the Lord to forgive your sins anyway... Everyone is a sinner, including me... That's the whole point !

No, Y, that means you did not read it all the way through. Therefore, you have insulted Cheri in saying that you can judge her and accusing her of having an abortion and then having two boys...

This is what she said from the beginning...

I am one of those people who had an abortion, When I was 15/16 years old become pregnant by my first love of my life, My parent was not too happy to recovered that I was pregnant, They pressure me every single day about getting an abortion, I didn't think abortion was the solution, I wanted to keep this baby and fought with my parent every single day, My mom threaten me she would kick me out of the house, I thought where would I live, What money would I live on I was only in high school working part time job on weekend. It wasn't enough for me to live on my own. I only had one support which was my twin sister the whole family turned against me. I had no choice to go get abortion done, Of course my parent took me there and I was wide awake the whole time, It wasn't a good feeling, It was horrible, I do remember I laid there crying and crying nonstoppable, all I thought was why does this have to happen? I had to pay a price for being pregnant that was my punishment by my parents. When all this was over, I was heart broken and God saw that I asked him to forgive me for the choices I didn't have. There have been times I had nightmares of what I saw in the operation room, how they put my baby in a trash bag and carried it out of the room. I felt like I was in hell. It did took me a very very long time to get over the betrayed, the hurt. I know now that my baby is safe in the arms of our heavenly Father, and I believe she/he isn't dead but alive in heaven.

That is one the reasons why I do not agree with abortion because I have experience it myself in the past and there will always be a scar in my heart for what had happen long time ago. But I am not going to put my brief's on others if they want to get an abortion, If you can live with that; It's your life, your body and your choice.

Next time, before you judge hypocritcally, CAREFULLY READ it all the way through. You would have noticed that it had not been HER choice, but that she was FORCED by her parents to get the abortion. She had two beautiful boys MUCH LATER on.

Y, WAKE UP!!!

Since you want to judge us, YOU ARE BEING JUDGED by us now...

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Hey Christians people(whoever)..

I'm christian too.. you cannot rights judge people's repluation.. Not allowed blunt them of your opnion critizite. That totally WRONG.. Did Jesus request you like this ? NO... Jesus gave you all people have a life... Giving you greater growth experience good or bad.. Doesn't matter... Jesus knows that you had made mistake and ask for forgiven what you have done... repent the sins.. That counts!

Made me breath carried away and hearing what you spoke and insluting them.. THAT WRONG! You should owe them apgolized!

I was an abortioned longest years ago which I had beeen wrong guy who have lowlife invovled drugs,theift, and so many things.. I have no choice made decision and willing scarfice for tiny baby has to go.. I already scar in my heart which have good reasons.. Good enough I have one child from him and doesn't want another 2nd child coming from him.. No thanks.. I'm very deepily patience and goes thru bad ordeal... I kept pray to God, Asking for forgive me what I'm terrible and pain.. cleanest fresh my heart removed the sin.. That important for asking Jesus...
I did pray Jesus all I want find RIGHT GUY who willing do anything better family and no need to be "PERFECT LIFE" Just normal stable living. 2 years later, I got mr right guy in my life.. I've thanked to Jesus what am I feel blessed... and wonderful another 2 children extra in my family total 3 kids.. I've thanked to Jesus had made my life went well as normal... where provide better decent living.. That important..

1st Son- Low life Dad.. ( I accept forgive him but doesn't want see him permantly which heartfelt ache)
*abortion a tiny baby*
2nd Daughter and 3rd - Mr Right guy... We have not married because i'm scared to marry him which reason concern about seeing too many high percentage of divorce.. One day, I will relaized if we are still together... I made decision and goforth marry my mr right man because Jesus gave us blessed entire for my family at Christian Deaf Church.

Christian people: I can stop you because you have no rights judge or critizite them.. Not you doing it.. Does Bible says Allow you throw stoned them being they are whore/slut or else.. ? Did Jesus say okay? No.. Jesus made stop and willing forgiven what the lady from sinner. Why don't you ? Remember Jesus love all the people.

My christian people (my homearea 20 minutes away another town), They not allowed judge people who they are... Let them and ask for Jesus...

*I'm praying for you christian who made offended them.. You need re-condsier and open your heart become "understanding". Thank you Jesus his name.......... *Amen*

 

[Crazymanw00t]

We can judge on other people for their bearing of furits. Bad furits for good furits. We can't judge them to look them down. We can judge at them and encourages them to go on the right track. That is the point.

 

[Gemtun]

We can judge on other people for their bearing of furits. Bad furits for good furits. We can't judge them to look them down. We can judge at them and encourages them to go on the right track. That is the point.

Name calling does not help someone get back on right track.

What helps a sinner get back on track is:

Compassion
Understanding
Patience
Unconditional Love
Gentleness
Explanation of Bible, etc without throwing in harsh judgements, etc.

BTW, do you mean fruit? I wasnt sure if you meant fruit or not?

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Name calling does not help someone get back on right track.

What helps a sinner get back on track is:

Compassion
Understanding
Patience
Unconditional Love
Gentleness
Explanation of Bible, etc without throwing in harsh judgements, etc.

BTW, do you mean fruit? I wasnt sure if you meant fruit or not?

Bad fruits= sinner

Meg, Don't let Crazyman know it all "everything" ... really find his own breath judge them.. I believe my heart he is prefer Old testment as prefer "throw the stone." want rid sinner! He still part of sinner which he throw and critizite judge them... Oh well...
He is extremelly wrong... I feel sorry for him being total wrong.. Let him go... Let Jesus will handle w/him... I'm back off.... :roll:

 

[DreamDeaf]

Bullymom

Welcome to the club - we know how hard it was for you to admit it and we all admire your courage. Don't let these short-sighted, narrow-minded, bigoted and judgemental peeps get to you.

For all of you here who have had one, and for those others out there, here's one BIG for we all know your pain.

For those who would be this rude, selfish and judgemental people, you do not know the true meaning of Christianity or how to be true Christians. Good luck to you...you will need it.

 

[Vance]

For those who would be this rude, selfish and judgemental people, you do not know the true meaning of Christianity or how to be true Christians. Good luck to you...you will need it.

Bingo! You nailed it beautifully.

 

[jazzy]

Immature Christians would judge them.
Mature Christians would not judge them.

 

[Cheri]

For those who would be this rude, selfish and judgemental people, you do not know the true meaning of Christianity or how to be true Christians. Good luck to you...you will need it.

Amen!


Jazzy, You said it perfect too,

 

[FeistyChick]

Immature Christians would judge them.
Mature Christians would not judge them.

well said girl!!

 

[FeistyChick]

Bullymom

Welcome to the club - we know how hard it was for you to admit it and we all admire your courage. Don't let these short-sighted, narrow-minded, bigoted and judgemental peeps get to you.

For all of you here who have had one, and for those others out there, here's one BIG for we all know your pain.

For those who would be this rude, selfish and judgemental people, you do not know the true meaning of Christianity or how to be true Christians. Good luck to you...you will need it.

i couldn't have said this better!