Why do people call America FREE when it's not?

[rockdrummer]

Here:

http://www.alldeaf.com/strange-stupid-news/35836-la-police-youtube-beating-film.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/24436-cop-rookie-shot-naked-black-man.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/parenting/22119-third-grader-handcuffed-medicated-school.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/15640-sighhhhh-five-year-old-cuffed.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/parenting/12769-5-yr-old-cuffed-principals-orders.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/11986-police-use-stun-gun-6-year-old.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-even...-police-when-pulling-over-local-deaf-man.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/35676-cops-fair.html

and several threads about Terri Schavio´s story... A boy was being cuffed because he tried to give Terri a sip of water.

Like what I said before that the fact was being ingored and handle incorrect way.

Thanks Lieb... but which one were you originally talking about or do I have to read through all of them?

 

[PowerON]

but what about outside of own or lease under ADA? I noticed many Americans have to pay alarm, baby cries, flash lighting, etc out of their pocket for their home. What about them?

It's bit common as hearing had to buy something.
For example, we buy flashing lightning as hearing buy accessoires for music player. We buy clock with some extra cost than hearing get.

Baby cries is common as parents buy for baby cries monitor.

I mean:
US doctors, hospitail, lawyers, etc cover the interpreter's cost for the deafies which here in Europe doesn't. Heathcare/Agency (Government) cover the interpreter's cost for the deafies that's doctors, hosptial, lawyers, etc don't have to cover the cost for deafies.
I have seen some threads that some doctors or companies don't like to have deaf around because they have to pay the interpreter's cost for them. One ADer said in his post about divorce issues and lawyer etc and explained that his lawyer cover the interpreter's cost for him... I suggest him that it could be that the lawyer, doctors or whatever can add interpreter's cost in their bill... and check with hearing about lawyer's hour fee to compare with... Example: the lawyer charge $50 per hour to hearing clients but for deaf clients, more than $50 per hour because of work out with interpreter's cost. It does the same thing with doctors, companies, etc. as well. Many US deafies think they are free which is not... They of course "pay" because they didn't know that they count the cost for their honoar, etc cover interpreter's cost to hide in their bill...

We would have to pay if it's less of value on visiting doctor or whatever. If it cost more than interpreter's fee then we don't have to pay.

Exact what?

As I know that there're not many transportation around in America. Hearing also have discount if they pay ticket for transportation per annual but for disabitily is different.

Yeah but US don't have great train - only usually bigger metro have plenty bus transportation and subway/train. It start quite grow. Annual discount more than for hearing which general for all disability.

i have been pay attention on England's tv show that support subtitle unlike CC and it doesn't design for deaf but English learning. It's dubbing as it speak what it saying not include the sound effect such as crying. Have you read what Banjo's blog about CC, subtitle and SDH?

 

[Reba]

Misunderstood? Is it misunderstand when I ask you a simple question for source because you claimed on your own word "I can't imagine if US don't exist, then we would have NO deaf accessories of everything that would influence to worldwide." and then share my post over cons and pros about deaf rights in the world. Who misunderstood? *scratch my head*

Here is the link of Disability History
Disability Rights History

Read through carefully
Enjoy

Thanks for the link.

It shows that the United States did the most for disabled rights.

The only significant "foreign" event listed was the Milan Conference, and that certainly wasn't anything for the Europeans to brag about.
"1880 - The International Congress of Educators of the Deaf, at a conference in Milan, Italy, calls for the suppression of sign languages and the firing of all deaf teachers at schools for the deaf. This triumph of oralism is seen by deaf advocates as a direct attack upon their culture."

 

[Reba]

We do not need interpreter at funeral because we have priest for the deaf.

What about the other people at the funeral?

We interpret funerals for all the hearing and Deaf people who are present. Every one deserves to know what's happening.

 

[Reba]

...I have seen some threads that some doctors or companies don't like to have deaf around because they have to pay the interpreter's cost for them. One ADer said in his post about divorce issues and lawyer etc and explained that his lawyer cover the interpreter's cost for him... I suggest him that it could be that the lawyer, doctors or whatever can add interpreter's cost in their bill... and check with hearing about lawyer's hour fee to compare with... Example: the lawyer charge $50 per hour to hearing clients but for deaf clients, more than $50 per hour because of work out with interpreter's cost. It does the same thing with doctors, companies, etc. as well. Many US deafies think they are free which is not... They of course "pay" because they didn't know that they count the cost for their honoar, etc cover interpreter's cost to hide in their bill...

If the doctors or lawyers do that, it's illegal.

During a real estate closing, the lawyer must disclose the dispersal of funds to the clients. As he was itemizing, he said, "and $xxxxx for interpreting services." I was interpreting. I stopped and said/signed, "Excuse me, interpreter needs a clarification. Did you say that the home owner was paying the interpreter fee?"

The lawyer said, "Yes."

I said, "I'm afraid that's an error. The Deaf client is not responsible for the interpreter fee."

To shorten the story, the lawyer had to cut a new check to the Deaf client, right then and there, to reimburse them for the fee.

(Yeah, maybe I stepped out of my role, so report me to RID.)

In this situation, the clients were also close friends (although the lawyer didn't know that), and they appreciated my advocacy. They were moving out of town that afternoon, and didn't have time to settle the problem later, so they were glad that I spoke up.

The lawyer and I had a private chat after the closing, where I politely but firmly reminded him of the law. (Imagine, having to remind a lawyer of his legal responsibilities!)

In the end, the lawyer blamed his secretary for the mix up. Ha! He was just a weasel.

Deaf clients can and should check their itemized statements from lawyers and doctors to be sure they aren't overcharged for anything, and that includes being charged for interpreter services.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Thanks for the link.

It shows that the United States did the most for disabled rights.

The only significant "foreign" event listed was the Milan Conference, and that certainly wasn't anything for the Europeans to brag about.
"1880 - The International Congress of Educators of the Deaf, at a conference in Milan, Italy, calls for the suppression of sign languages and the firing of all deaf teachers at schools for the deaf. This triumph of oralism is seen by deaf advocates as a direct attack upon their culture."

No, I only provide in neutral way instead of prove you which countries is best or number one etc... all what I am trying to say is the world is the equal including pros/cons.

Honestly, I would say that Europe countries over disabiltiy rights are better advantage than America.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Update about my co-worker.

I learn about this today. She is sick leave due nervousbreakdown. The hot rumor spread out that MP handle incorrect.

I am waiting for an official then I will know more.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If the doctors or lawyers do that, it's illegal.

No, it's not illegal. They can do what they wants.

During a real estate closing, the lawyer must disclose the dispersal of funds to the clients. As he was itemizing, he said, "and $xxxxx for interpreting services." I was interpreting. I stopped and said/signed, "Excuse me, interpreter needs a clarification. Did you say that the home owner was paying the interpreter fee?"

The lawyer said, "Yes."

I said, "I'm afraid that's an error. The Deaf client is not responsible for the interpreter fee."

To shorten the story, the lawyer had to cut a new check to the Deaf client, right then and there, to reimburse them for the fee.

(Yeah, maybe I stepped out of my role, so report me to RID.)

In this situation, the clients were also close friends (although the lawyer didn't know that), and they appreciated my advocacy. They were moving out of town that afternoon, and didn't have time to settle the problem later, so they were glad that I spoke up.

The lawyer and I had a private chat after the closing, where I politely but firmly reminded him of the law. (Imagine, having to remind a lawyer of his legal responsibilities!)

In the end, the lawyer blamed his secretary for the mix up. Ha! He was just a weasel.

Deaf clients can and should check their itemized statements from lawyers and doctors to be sure they aren't overcharged for anything, and that includes being charged for interpreter services.

No, lawyers or doctors don't have to add "interpreter service" in their bill but just honoar/hour... They can decide with $$$ what they want... It's their business, they need to profit themselves... It's client's decision to compare the price offer of $$$ with other lawyers. It's up to clients to pick which lawyers with good price offer. It's up to lawyers to decide with the prices.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What about the other people at the funeral?

We interpret funerals for all the hearing and Deaf people who are present. Every one deserves to know what's happening.

It look like that you don't have hearing priest for the deaf in America or what?

The priest can sign and speak for deaf and hearing with no complication. Nobody complaint

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Thanks Lieb... but which one were you originally talking about or do I have to read through all of them?

You asked for original source. I provided the link of threads including source. I thought you would be interesting to read the original source, they add in their threads.

I do not demand you to read all of them but provide the link accord your wish.

 

[Reba]

No, it's not illegal. They can do what they wants.

I'm talking about American laws. In America, it's illegal to pad a bill with the interpreter expense. Doctors and lawyers have to disclose their charges, and charging for the interpreter is not legal.

No, lawyers or doctors don't have to add "interpreter service" in their bill but just honoar/hour... They can decide with $$$ what they want... It's their business, they need to profit themselves... It's client's decision to compare the price offer of $$$ with other lawyers. It's up to clients to pick which lawyers with good price offer. It's up to lawyers to decide with the prices.

Under the ADA, they can't do that.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm talking about American laws. In America, it's illegal to pad a bill with the interpreter expense. Doctors and lawyers have to disclose their charges, and charging for the interpreter is not legal.



Under the ADA, they can't do that.

Yes I know what you are trying to say but it doesn't count lawyer, doctors or whatever because they want is their profit.

Lawyers and doctors are not obligate to add "Interpreter expenses" in their bill... All what they want add is their honar and fee to work out to make profit themselves... Nobody knows what and how they work out in their mind. ADA can't do anything to against them.

 

[Reba]

It look like that you don't have hearing priest for the deaf in America or what?

The priest can sign and speak for deaf and hearing with no complication. Nobody complaint

There are some hearing priests, rabbis, and pastors who can sign. But there are also many Deaf people who attend churches that have hearing priests, rabbis, and pastors, and the service is interpreted. But that has nothing to do with providing interpreters for funerals. If the funeral is conducted by a hearing clergy, then the Deaf people attending need an interpreter. If the funeral is conducted by a Deaf signing clergy, then the hearing people attending need an interpreter. If the person delivering the eulogy doesn't sign, then they need an interpreter. If someone sings songs, they need an interpreter. If hearing and Deaf guests want to communicate with each other before and after the service, they need an interpreter.

The night before the funeral, at the wake or viewing or visiting time, they need an interpreter.

 

[Reba]

Yes I know what you are trying to say but it doesn't count lawyer, doctors or whatever because they want is their profit.

Lawyers and doctors are not obligate to add "Interpreter expenses" in their bill... All what they want add is their honar and fee to work out to make profit themselves... Nobody knows what and how they work out in their mind. ADA can't do anything to against them.

I don't think you are an expert on American laws.

Just because a doctor or lawyer wants to earn a profit (doesn't everyone?) it doesn't mean they are allowed to break the law.

Hiring an interpreter is called "the cost of doing business". Lawyers and doctors aren't allowed to cheat on their other expenses, like rent and electricity, so why should they be allowed to cheat on interpreter expenses?

Doctors and lawyers are not allowed to charge the Deaf client for interpreter expenses, and they are not allowed to "hide" the cost in their billing.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There are some hearing priests, rabbis, and pastors who can sign. But there are also many Deaf people who attend churches that have hearing priests, rabbis, and pastors, and the service is interpreted. But that has nothing to do with providing interpreters for funerals. If the funeral is conducted by a hearing clergy, then the Deaf people attending need an interpreter. If the funeral is conducted by a Deaf signing clergy, then the hearing people attending need an interpreter. If the person delivering the eulogy doesn't sign, then they need an interpreter. If someone sings songs, they need an interpreter. If hearing and Deaf guests want to communicate with each other before and after the service, they need an interpreter.

The night before the funeral, at the wake or viewing or visiting time, they need an interpreter.

I understand what you mean.

Example about my son's confirmation last April 2007. The hearing priest of village where we live, apply Priest for the deaf then they apply Interpreter at Agency of Interpret Central for us at my son's Confirmation. The priest for the deaf only attend my funerals, Christening and weddings as interpreter... We don't need interpreter because the priest sign good as interpreter... If the some priest for the deaf have no time then apply agency of interpret central for me... The priest are there for us when we need them for funeral etc but for my son's confirmation is different issue because he involve with other hearing confirmers... Interpreter came... We do not need interpreter to communicate with hearing people because we are not children... We can deal with them without Interpreter ourselves... It's not our problem if hearing people can't communicate with us. We only need interpreter to deal with people over important issues. Hearing people have to learn to communicate with us... We really have no problem...

We only need interpreter for my children's confirmation, wedding, christening, etc.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I don't think you are an expert on American laws.

Just because a doctor or lawyer wants to earn a profit (doesn't everyone?) it doesn't mean they are allowed to break the law.

Hiring an interpreter is called "the cost of doing business". Lawyers and doctors aren't allowed to cheat on their other expenses, like rent and electricity, so why should they be allowed to cheat on interpreter expenses?

Doctors and lawyers are not allowed to charge the Deaf client for interpreter expenses, and they are not allowed to "hide" the cost in their billing.

you are naive.

Like what I say before that the business owner can do what they want and decide with money. It's client's decision to take their price offer or not.

 

[Foxrac]

you are naive.

Like what I say before that the business owner can do what they want and decide with money. It's client's decision to take their price offer or not.

Why does you called her an naive?

She's citizen of US, born in USA before I was born, that far to hit late 80's and she's interpreter, she maybe know about law.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Why does you called her an naive?

She's citizen of US, born in USA before I was born, that far to hit late 80's and she's interpreter, she maybe know about law.

I am not interesting where we come from, law or else but talk in general way what we know in real life situation.

She talked about the law but I talk about the owners who own the business, or companies who tried to make profit themselves with client or customer´s money. We talked different... I laughed and said that she is naive to beleive that EVERY lawyer, doctors, business owners or else are honest with money and stick the law and fact... I tried to explain that the law could be ignored sometimes when they tried to work out in their mind how to make profit themselves before send their bill to their clients or customers.

Every business and companies owners including doctors and lawyers can do what they want with price offer before send their bill to clients and customers... It´s up to you to take their offer or look for other better price offer...

 

[PowerON]

I am not interesting where we come from, law or else but talk in general way what we know in real life situation.

She talked about the law but I talk about the owners who own the business, or companies who tried to make profit themselves with client or customer´s money. We talked different... I laughed and said that she is naive to beleive that EVERY lawyer, doctors, business owners or else are honest with money and stick the law and fact... I tried to explain that the law could be ignored sometimes when they tried to work out in their mind how to make profit themselves before send their bill to their clients or customers.

Every business and companies owners including doctors and lawyers can do what they want with price offer before send their bill to clients and customers... It´s up to you to take their offer or look for other better price offer...

firm will not pay if it's under the cost that is value over interpreter service.
here is source...

Doctors - National Association of the Deaf

if deaf don't know then they're sucker.

 

[Reba]

you are naive.

Like what I say before that the business owner can do what they want and decide with money. It's client's decision to take their price offer or not.

Really? How often do you deal with American doctors and lawyers? How often are you involved with billing American doctors and lawyers? How often do you interpret for American doctors and lawyers? I'm sure it's no where near my experiences.

I'm not an expert on German laws and practices, so I don't mouth off about them. I ask questions about them but I don't pretend to be an expert about them.

It might behoove you to do the same about American laws and practices.