Why do people call America FREE when it's not?

[PowerON]

Hmm what if that guy, Clerc Laurent, from France didn't come to America, then what will our deaf community be like today?

I recommend to research about Clerc Laurent, he is one of them who invent Gallaudet University.

Who was Laurent Clerc-- the Gallaudet University Laurent Clerc National Deaf Education Center

Also about the Deaf Education in France, I am sure they have wonderful servies for the Deafies there.

Also Gallaudet University is not the only one that are deaf college. Japan have university for the Deafies too.

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Also about my "America is not free UNLESS everyone is treated equally", it is just the general post for this thread.

Question is... If French man wanted to have deaf college, how coming he didn't launch in French in first place?? Why in US?

My answer simple to answer that France govt refuse provide deaf college and US govt allow! Don't US govt deserver the praise?


And... this Japan still don't have deaf unversity, you may misunderstood it after I found out about University of Tsukuba is just regular like RIT add NTID.

 

[PowerON]

Can you provide the source that US is first in the world to influence the world about deaf accessories?

We all have cons and pros over deaf accessories in the world.

yes

Example like this:
We get clock alarm, flash lighting, phone lighting, etc from healthcare for gratis which USA doesn't.

US get free alarm monitor when own or lease under ADA.

US get TTY and VP for gratis which Germany doesn't.

and relay online, does England/German have one?

Healthcare cover the cost for interpreter to any doctors and hospitial... Agency for Interpreter company cover the cost for interpreter to any lawyers, etc. which USA doesn't.

US doctors, lawyers, etc cover the interpreter cost for deafies... which German and Europe countries doesn't.

hmm-mm

We have choice 50% discount tax on vehicle or 60 EUR per year to use transportation... which US doesn't.

eh? we get discount on transportation.

In England, they have weekly deaf allowance, free TTY & VP, free transportation, 24 hours subtitles (CC) etc which Germany, other countries, US doesn't.

I don't see England offer free videophone. can you give the source? The only I found that seem it's not FREE videophone at all

Point on that subtitle in England which isn't really design for deaf, in primary which is for learning English.

 

[Hwy99]

Question is... If French man wanted to have deaf college, how coming he didn't launch in French in first place?? Why in US?

My answer simple to answer that France govt refuse provide deaf college and US govt allow! Don't US govt deserver the praise?


And... this Japan still don't have deaf unversity, you may misunderstood it after I found out about University of Tsukuba is just regular like RIT add NTID.

Your answer would be the same as mine, the ignorance against Deaf in Europe in the past, but they are improving for the Deafies alot today. If Laurent did not help USA to have Deaf Education then the rest of the world probably won't know about the education for the Deafies.

About the university in Japan, it proofs that USA is not the only country that put so much of effort on the education for deaf. It's just depends on other countries population and ecomonic that could afford the deaf schools to keep deaf community to be educated. For example, China have very lousy service for the deafies even though it have too high population, it's because of their ecomonic system, that applies to India too. There is alot of rich countries that don't have university for deafies, it's because of their population size. Norway, for example, that country is one of the top best country to live, but lack of service for the deafies due to its own population size are too low.

 

[PowerON]

Your answer would be the same as mine, the ignorance against Deaf in Europe in the past, but they are improving for the Deafies alot today. If Laurent did not help USA to have Deaf Education then the rest of the world probably won't know about the education for the Deafies.

It's about freedom that US allow Laurent bring greater deaf education in college level as no world ever have.

About the university in Japan, it proofs that USA is not the only country that put so much of effort on the education for deaf. It's just depends on other countries population and ecomonic that could afford the deaf schools to keep deaf community to be educated. For example, China have very lousy service for the deafies even though it have too high population, it's because of their ecomonic system, that applies to India too. There is alot of rich countries that don't have university for deafies, it's because of their population size. Norway, for example, that country is one of the top best country to live, but lack of service for the deafies due to its own population size are too low.

You got it MISUNDERSTOOD!!!! Japan university isn't only for deaf. RIT isn't event for deaf only.

Yet, Gally is only true deaf college in the world. do your research. Stop use pot!

 

[Hwy99]

It's about freedom that US allow Laurent bring greater deaf education in college level as no world ever have.

Well having a deaf college does not always mean that USA have very good education for the deafies. Japan DID set up their own first deaf school in Kyoto during about 1810ish.

You got it MISUNDERSTOOD!!!! Japan university isn't only for deaf. RIT isn't event for deaf only.

Yet, Gally is only true deaf college in the world. do your research. Stop use pot!

Wow, ignorant attitude against me? Well. You got misunderstood ME!!!! I mean that USA is not only the country that put in effort for the deaf education according to my stats about Japan's Deaf Education system.

Use your common sense! And what's more, I don't pot for like 2 months now :roll: and it ain't your business so quit nagging.

 

[PowerON]

Well having a deaf college does not always mean that USA have very good education for the deafies. Japan DID set up their own first deaf school in Kyoto during about 1810ish.

What the heck? It said founded in 1878.
Translated version of http://www.kyoto-be.ne.jp/rou-s/gindex.html

Wow, ignorant attitude against me? Well. You got misunderstood ME!!!! I mean that USA is not only the country that put in effort for the deaf education according to my stats about Japan's Deaf Education system.

Wait.. I thought you talk about France who launch first deaf education?

 

[Hwy99]

What the heck? It said founded in 1878.
Translated version of http://www.kyoto-be.ne.jp/rou-s/gindex.html

So USA is not the only one that haven't set up the deaf education till 1800's uh? I guess I made my mistake.

Wait.. I thought you talk about France who launch first deaf education?

Yeah France do, at 1760's (Timeline), but what I mean is that there is alot of other countries that put effort for the Deaf Education too, it's not just only USA.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well USA was introduced to the ASL from France in Europe.

America is not free UNLESS we are treat EQUAL.

Exactly

 

[Liebling:-)))]

it's influence.. not better. That's why you got yourself misunderstood when I told in first place!

if it wasn't for US, you Europe won't get TTY.
if it wasn't for US, you won't have subtitle/cc.
if it wasn't for US. blah blah....

Misunderstood? Is it misunderstand when I ask you a simple question for source because you claimed on your own word "I can't imagine if US don't exist, then we would have NO deaf accessories of everything that would influence to worldwide." and then share my post over cons and pros about deaf rights in the world. Who misunderstood? *scratch my head*

Here is the link of Disability History
Disability Rights History

Read through carefully
Enjoy

 

[Liebling:-)))]

We don't pay interpreter for Doctor, Hospitals, school, police and lecture meetings.

Yeah, it's same here in Germany... We don't pay interpreter for doctor, hospitail, police, lecture meeting, parental meetings, lawyers, courts etc out of our pocket. It's Healthcare and Government pays.

I never pay out of my pocket for an Interpreter in Australia.

Yes, me too.

Interpreter will come but they don't send a bill to Funeral or their Director, just FREE to pay their respect for the deaf mourners.

We do not need interpreter at funeral because we have priest for the deaf.

Lucky British people to received extra money if they are working full time too, because they pay for their Interpreter out of this allowance money!!!

*nodding agreement* but my British friends told me that they do not need to pay Interpreter out of their allowance money for some reasons. wow...

Imagine if they don't hire one for a long spell, they pocket this extra bonus money for free and lovely to save up for their Europe Holiday or buy a villa around Europe as their second Holiday Home!

Exactly! Thanks deaf allowance, they can acheive their life.

Free Transport for the Deaf British if they live in London and Manchester only, I don't know if it apply to Birmingham in the Midlands or any other big cities. Nothing for the rural countries residents.

I only know that free transport for the deaf is in London, not outside of London. Manchester? I didn't know that Manchester also have the same as London as well. Let Dreama answer on our posts because she lives in Birmingham, England.

Yes, subtitles is 24 hour showing is because British deaf and Hearing people pay for their TV Licences annually which is not cheap.

Remember, we still pay TV licences equal as hearing that's time we don't have subtitles much at years ago. That's why deaf protest their rights to have 24 hours subtitles because they pay TV licence.

The deaf are jealous that the Blind people don't pay for the TV licences because they can't see it, (I am not sure if they pay half price for it - I don't care anyway), Deaf people are envious of blind people and they want their TV licence fee reduced to half price and its still on petition in my emails from the British people but I declined to get involved.

wow, it shows that British deaf are still not satisfed, don't they? They should compare their country with other countries like our countries... I am willing to pay TV liecene fee if there're 24 hours subtitles but some of my deaf friends disagree with me on this and explain why.... I has to give them right... many hearing disability people have the same rights as deaf is get TV licence and radio free which we disagree to because they CAN hear... Deaf fight for rights and want to get 24 hours subtitles and some change in disability rights that hearing and deaf should not have same rights.

TV is free to air in Australia, same go with radio too. My TV has far too many ads as there are very few ads showing in England because they listen to the British people to suit their tastes to watch TV, here we have no choices because it is free as I am getting used to it.

True, same here in Germany as well. I has to honset with you that I am not TV freak... I think 5 or 6 subtitles a day is enough. (I mean movies and series)... Full subtitles on world news and news... Sometimes I am bit disappointed that there're no subtitles on some series, I wish to see ... example "surivor"...

Probably yes. England looks after the Elderly's care very good - much better than in Australia for example, anyone who has illness like Parkinson Disease, Alzheimer etc - their spouse is very well paid by the Government as their "Carer's pay" plus provide a free Mercedes car - changed every two years help your sick spouse to transport for Hospital and Doctors!!

Yes, I know but Dreama negative about disability older care in her previous post here...

Very very few Deaf people in the UK chose to have this Mercedes car - rather than received deaf allowance money from the Government!! I question my friends about my classmate got a car, they said she is cheating and pretend to be worst off!

wow!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

US get free alarm monitor when own or lease under ADA.

but what about outside of own or lease under ADA? I noticed many Americans have to pay alarm, baby cries, flash lighting, etc out of their pocket for their home. What about them?

and relay online, does England/German have one?

Yes

hmm-mm

I mean:
US doctors, hospitail, lawyers, etc cover the interpreter's cost for the deafies which here in Europe doesn't. Heathcare/Agency (Government) cover the interpreter's cost for the deafies that's doctors, hosptial, lawyers, etc don't have to cover the cost for deafies.
I have seen some threads that some doctors or companies don't like to have deaf around because they have to pay the interpreter's cost for them. One ADer said in his post about divorce issues and lawyer etc and explained that his lawyer cover the interpreter's cost for him... I suggest him that it could be that the lawyer, doctors or whatever can add interpreter's cost in their bill... and check with hearing about lawyer's hour fee to compare with... Example: the lawyer charge $50 per hour to hearing clients but for deaf clients, more than $50 per hour because of work out with interpreter's cost. It does the same thing with doctors, companies, etc. as well. Many US deafies think they are free which is not... They of course "pay" because they didn't know that they count the cost for their honoar, etc cover interpreter's cost to hide in their bill...

eh? we get discount on transportation.

Exact what?

As I know that there're not many transportation around in America. Hearing also have discount if they pay ticket for transportation per annual but for disabitily is different.

I don't see England offer free videophone. can you give the source? The only I found that seem it's not FREE videophone at all

I guess it could be that they have to pay VP with their deaf allowance.

Point on that subtitle in England which isn't really design for deaf, in primary which is for learning English.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There are exceptions for searching a house without a warrant.

If there is reason to believe that a crime or dangerous situation is happening, the police can enter the house without a warrant. For example, if they hear gunshots or screams in the house, or if they chase a suspect from the street into the house.

If police hear gunshot or scream is a different story or chase a suspect for trying to break in is an emergency which is an understandable...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Show me please so I can see the same thing you are seeing and make my opinion on it. Thanks!!

I am surprised that you didn't know about this. It's not possible to provide many links over here so I would suggest you to go AllDeaf "Search" and then type the word handcuff then the list of threads including sources will come... It tell in their source that police do not alway act legal way... They do beat teenager to death, cuffed 5 to 7 years old children, pull shot on 7 years old child, etc. or visit google.

 

[rockdrummer]

I am surprised that you didn't know about this.

I'm not sure why this surprises you. I can't possibly read every single thread and post on AD.

It's not possible to provide many links over here so I would suggest you to go AllDeaf "Search" and then type the word handcuff then the list of threads including sources will come...

Why is it not possible for you to provide a link to what you say exists. I did type handcuffs in the search and came up with over 80 threads of which many had to do with sex and bdsm. If I search google I get thousands of hits. Do you think I have the time to wade through all of that? All you have to do is provide a link to back up your claim and I will read through it and give you my opinion on it. Many people blame the cops when they don't know the whole story. I am not saying the cops are always right and in many cases they are not. All I am saying is I need to form my own opinion and in order to do that I need the facts. If you have read the story you would stand a much better chance of finding it than I would. I simply don't have hours and hours to search AD and google on the keyword handcuffs. Try it yourself and see what you find. Then tell me if you think it's realistic to spend hours searching through all of that.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Rockdrummer, type handcuff... not handcuffs then only 2 page threads comes. Try it.

 

[rockdrummer]

Rockdrummer, type handcuff... not handcuffs then only 2 page threads comes. Try it.

I still get over 40 hits. If you only get two and one of them is what you are trying to show me, why not put the linik to it here?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I still get over 40 hits. If you only get two and one of them is what you are trying to show me, why not put the linik to it here?

40 hits is not much *shrug* It's easier for you to read titles after type handcuff threads...

Okay, I have to go home now... You will get some links when I am home from work later.

 

[Kai Onca]

Freedom means choosing your burden. ~Hephzibah Menuhin

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[Liebling:-)))]

I still get over 40 hits. If you only get two and one of them is what you are trying to show me, why not put the linik to it here?

Here:

http://www.alldeaf.com/strange-stupid-news/35836-la-police-youtube-beating-film.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/24436-cop-rookie-shot-naked-black-man.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/parenting/22119-third-grader-handcuffed-medicated-school.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/15640-sighhhhh-five-year-old-cuffed.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/parenting/12769-5-yr-old-cuffed-principals-orders.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/11986-police-use-stun-gun-6-year-old.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-even...-police-when-pulling-over-local-deaf-man.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/35676-cops-fair.html

and several threads about Terri Schavio´s story... A boy was being cuffed because he tried to give Terri a sip of water.

Like what I said before that the fact was being ingored and handle incorrect way.

 

[Cheri]

You cannot always rely on the police in an emergency situation, There are police out there who are slow in responding emergency calls, and by the time they arrive, it may be too late. Dispatchers always seem to ask way too many questions on the phone, sometimes you don't even have the time to answer them all, because it serious threat someone’s life when time is wasted.

There are some emergency calls a life-threatening, how can time be wasted when dispatchers have to know every details of reason of an emergency? If a victim says there's a guy with a weapon, and You want a police right away, that should tell the dispatcher that this is a life-threatening situation.

I live three minutes away from the police department, those two times, they've wasted my time on the phone asking a bunch of questions, it took them an half hour to arrive to my place of home.

I've also seen police speeding without lights flashing, parking on pavements, failing to indicate, and changing lanes without warning, that can cause an accident of others.