Is self-defense "murder"?
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no.
no.
yes.
Unfortunately under Australian law, if anyone break in in MY HOUSE/PROPERTY and threat and/or hurt to anyone in my family, I stabbed him knife to let my loved ones free from this monster, they will put me in jail for MANSLAUGHTER if he/she found dead!!
If he/she is badly injury, he/she can sue me for it.
Stupid - yeah!!!!
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For self defense will never be a murderer. Back in Oklahoma, near my home. Robber came into the store with gun and pointing at the clerk, so gave the robber all the money. Then clerk grabbed the gun before robber shoots the clerk, clerk shot him first and robber were dead. The clerk was charged for murder, and in prison. But less charged, bec self defense. That I don't agree. It happened back in the 80s I think. A person who killed someone by self defense, should not be charge for murder.
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No it would not be "murder" if i have to defend myself and
my family! (i know how to use rifles/pistols, thanks to my
husband!)
If someone is trying to break into our home with a gun,
you bet either my husband or i will shoot that person!
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Defee, while I agree with your over-all sentiment, please talk to your husband and get answers to "shoot someone who breaks into your houuse".
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Defee said, "If someone is trying to break into our home with a gun..."
I think that bumps the seriousness of the invasion up a notch. It's also more serious because the home is occupied, not empty.
And Tousi, what's with the "talk to your husband" sexist remark?!
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Stupid and dangerous, yeah. I'm sorry you are stuck with that law. I hope enough people can get together and vote to change it.
In South Carolina, our law allows people to defend their families and homes from invasion. If a person is injured or killed while breaking into an occupied building, the resident is not charged.
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Defee said, "If someone is trying to break into our home with a gun..."
I think that bumps the seriousness of the invasion up a notch. It's also more serious because the home is occupied, not empty.
And Tousi, what's with the "talk to your husband" sexist remark?!
Yes, it ups it a notch but it still isn't time to shoot yet, technically. You pull the trigger when you know there's impending great bodily harm. When the intruder begins to raise the arm that has the gun, (for me, anyway) he's gone! As an aside, let me suggest that in the confines of your home, I think a "snake charmer" would be a great weapon.
Now for the "sexist" remark, I only mention Defee's husband because she says he's the one who has taught her. So I suggested that they talk about some of the finer points of this issue.
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'Invade a home
and invite a bullet'
South Carolina attorney general backs armed home defense
January 26, 2001
By Jon Dougherty
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
In declaring an "open season" on burglars who break into homes, South Carolina Attorney General Charlie Condon has instructed all solicitors, sheriffs and police chiefs in the state to refrain from arresting "citizens acting to defend their homes" with a firearm or other weapon.
In a statement released yesterday, Condon's office said the attorney general sent a memorandum to all state prosecutors and law enforcement officials warning them not to arrest or prosecute people who defend themselves with "deadly force" against a "home invader."
The statement said the policy was necessary to protect citizens "in the wake of a rash of recent home invasions in North Charleston and elsewhere throughout the state."
"As chief prosecutor of South Carolina, I am today declaring open season on home invaders," Condon said. "That season is year round. Citizens protecting their homes who use force -- even deadly force -- will be fully safeguarded under the law of this state and subject to no arrest, charge or prosecution.
"In South Carolina, would-be intruders should now hear this: Invade a home and invite a bullet," said Condon, a Republican.
The state's chief law enforcement officer also said "a recent rash of home invasions by gang members and other criminals" led to his decision, noting that gang activity "is rising sharply in South Carolina."
He cited a string of recent break-ins in North Charleston, as well as an incident in Columbia -- the state capital -- "where a victim managed to fight off home invaders with a sword," the statement said.
Also, Condon said that in Richland County, sheriff's department officials believe four men have been responsible for over 90 home invasions in the past year alone.
The policy serves as a warning to potential burglars, Condon said, about what "faces them" if they attempt to break into a home. And, he said, the policy would serve "to let homeowners know their rights."
The attorney general said existing case law in South Carolina "gives ironclad protection to the citizen in safeguarding his or her home.
"Inside the citizen's home, there are no legal technicalities for the criminal to rely on," he said. Courts have ruled that even deadly force may be used against a burglar "if such degree of force be reasonably necessary to accomplish the purpose of preventing a forcible entry against his will."
Condon said the new policy would actually help the state's police officers.
"Law enforcement officers cannot be everywhere at once," he said, noting that armed citizens protecting their homes would serve as a deterrent to crime, and lower crime rates and property loss.
"Home invaders will think twice and even a third time" before breaking in, he said, "knowing [they] risk … their own death … on the other side of the innocent homeowner's door."
"The home is the family's fortress of protection," he added. "When at home, people rightfully feel they are standing on sacred ground. The citizen's home is the line in the sand where criminals dare not cross."
Condon's policy appears to reflect the sentiment of most police chiefs and sheriffs across the country.
According to a 1999-2000 annual survey conducted by the National Association of Chiefs of Police, 93 percent of police chiefs and sheriffs who responded believe law-abiding citizens "should be able to purchase a firearm for self-defense or sport."
Perhaps ironically, almost 95 percent of respondents did not believe the media is "fair and balanced" in reporting the news about police, firearms and other issues.
While most gun-control groups believe fewer firearms in circulation -- as well as increased restrictions on private firearms ownership -- would do more to reduce gun deaths and the violent crime associated with them, survey participants overwhelmingly disagreed.
Most police chiefs and sheriffs said better enforcement of existing laws -- not new gun laws -- would do more to reduce violence and gun deaths. Also, 88 percent said persons convicted of violating state or federal firearm possession laws should receive the maximum prison term for the offense.
and invite a bullet'
South Carolina attorney general backs armed home defense
January 26, 2001
By Jon Dougherty
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
In declaring an "open season" on burglars who break into homes, South Carolina Attorney General Charlie Condon has instructed all solicitors, sheriffs and police chiefs in the state to refrain from arresting "citizens acting to defend their homes" with a firearm or other weapon.
In a statement released yesterday, Condon's office said the attorney general sent a memorandum to all state prosecutors and law enforcement officials warning them not to arrest or prosecute people who defend themselves with "deadly force" against a "home invader."
The statement said the policy was necessary to protect citizens "in the wake of a rash of recent home invasions in North Charleston and elsewhere throughout the state."
"As chief prosecutor of South Carolina, I am today declaring open season on home invaders," Condon said. "That season is year round. Citizens protecting their homes who use force -- even deadly force -- will be fully safeguarded under the law of this state and subject to no arrest, charge or prosecution.
"In South Carolina, would-be intruders should now hear this: Invade a home and invite a bullet," said Condon, a Republican.
The state's chief law enforcement officer also said "a recent rash of home invasions by gang members and other criminals" led to his decision, noting that gang activity "is rising sharply in South Carolina."
He cited a string of recent break-ins in North Charleston, as well as an incident in Columbia -- the state capital -- "where a victim managed to fight off home invaders with a sword," the statement said.
Also, Condon said that in Richland County, sheriff's department officials believe four men have been responsible for over 90 home invasions in the past year alone.
The policy serves as a warning to potential burglars, Condon said, about what "faces them" if they attempt to break into a home. And, he said, the policy would serve "to let homeowners know their rights."
The attorney general said existing case law in South Carolina "gives ironclad protection to the citizen in safeguarding his or her home.
"Inside the citizen's home, there are no legal technicalities for the criminal to rely on," he said. Courts have ruled that even deadly force may be used against a burglar "if such degree of force be reasonably necessary to accomplish the purpose of preventing a forcible entry against his will."
Condon said the new policy would actually help the state's police officers.
"Law enforcement officers cannot be everywhere at once," he said, noting that armed citizens protecting their homes would serve as a deterrent to crime, and lower crime rates and property loss.
"Home invaders will think twice and even a third time" before breaking in, he said, "knowing [they] risk … their own death … on the other side of the innocent homeowner's door."
"The home is the family's fortress of protection," he added. "When at home, people rightfully feel they are standing on sacred ground. The citizen's home is the line in the sand where criminals dare not cross."
Condon's policy appears to reflect the sentiment of most police chiefs and sheriffs across the country.
According to a 1999-2000 annual survey conducted by the National Association of Chiefs of Police, 93 percent of police chiefs and sheriffs who responded believe law-abiding citizens "should be able to purchase a firearm for self-defense or sport."
Perhaps ironically, almost 95 percent of respondents did not believe the media is "fair and balanced" in reporting the news about police, firearms and other issues.
While most gun-control groups believe fewer firearms in circulation -- as well as increased restrictions on private firearms ownership -- would do more to reduce gun deaths and the violent crime associated with them, survey participants overwhelmingly disagreed.
Most police chiefs and sheriffs said better enforcement of existing laws -- not new gun laws -- would do more to reduce violence and gun deaths. Also, 88 percent said persons convicted of violating state or federal firearm possession laws should receive the maximum prison term for the offense.
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It's depends on police, state law, city law or whatever about murders.
In somewhere, if you are killing someone in real because you are trying to protect yourself then you are still charging for murder, also depends on trial.
In somewhere, if you are killing someone in real because you are trying to protect yourself then you are still charging for murder, also depends on trial.
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You never know, if you shoot them in real then you can be charging in murder or so.
I'm suggest that you need talk to police before getting happen.
If you use taser or fight with weapon then would be different story.
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Let me ask my Hubby first.Hey, Reba, are you going to come back here and respond to my response to calling me sexist?
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Killing someone in self defense is not murder in any shape or form.
I know I would probably snap and lose control of myself if I see someone trying to kill my kids. I honestly believe I would go in automatic to protect my children to the fullest. Just like animals will kill to protect their offspring. This is my worst worst fear. I really try not to think about things like that. *shudders*
I know I would probably snap and lose control of myself if I see someone trying to kill my kids. I honestly believe I would go in automatic to protect my children to the fullest. Just like animals will kill to protect their offspring. This is my worst worst fear. I really try not to think about things like that. *shudders*
Killing is a murder. It's just the action of murder.
Don't get wrong idea, I do think self defense murder is also good thing to do, you are just protecting yourself.
Murder have several meaning.
1. The action of kill
2. A person who kill
3. A person who desired to kill anyone whatever he/she like.
Murder is not always bad. It's just like you stomp the spider, you are murder. The word "Murder" can be confusing.
Don't get wrong idea, I do think self defense murder is also good thing to do, you are just protecting yourself.
Murder have several meaning.
1. The action of kill
2. A person who kill
3. A person who desired to kill anyone whatever he/she like.
Murder is not always bad. It's just like you stomp the spider, you are murder. The word "Murder" can be confusing.
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This is the dictionary definition of murder:
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
I don't think it's unlawful to stomp a spider.