Detroit files for bankruptcy

[Foxrac]

Foxrac

Are you saying that San Antonio and Austin don't have good public transportation? Just wanting to make sure I am understanding you correctly.

It is complicated to say yes or no.

It is depending on districts and neighborhoods - the city proper of Austin has good public transportation, but in suburb - far away from city limit can be hit or miss.

San Antonio has more bus coverage than Dallas, Houston and Austin, so good transportation will be definitely in city limit, but some suburbs may have no bus coverage.

LA has most bus coverage, but time and schedule are greatly varies - it will take 3 hours to get from valley area to Anaheim. It make sounds "great public transportation"? - definitely not.

I found DC metro has best public transportation system and saved much of my time too.

 

[Foxrac]

I grew up in Michigan from 1952 to 1972. I remember our family visiting my Aunt and Uncle in Dearborn around 1967 or 68 when there were riots around Detroit. We had to stay overnight with them because of the curfew implemented. We went home the next morning to Lansing (probably in a hurry).

Around the early 60's, My dad took me to a Detroit Tigers game. I remember my dad saying this ball field is in a rough neighborhood.

I say don't give Detroit to Canada, why make the Canadians hate us?

Oh wow, that's scary to heard about riot in Detroit.

Yes, Detroit went down like roller coaster.

 

[Reba]

Lansing, MI, is going that direction, too. TCS has family there, and they are always telling us about the factories and schools that have closed down. Also, the cost of houses in Lansing has plummeted. His sister told us about houses in her neighborhood selling for ridiculously low prices. The city doesn't mow the grass at the parks, and half the school buildings are boarded up. His niece, who is a math teacher, had to move to Denver to get a job. If Lansing weren't the state capitol they would be in even worse shape. The state government jobs are the only ones still constant.

 

[Foxrac]

Lansing, MI, is going that direction, too. TCS has family there, and they are always telling us about the factories and schools that have closed down. Also, the cost of houses in Lansing has plummeted. His sister told us about houses in her neighborhood selling for ridiculously low prices. The city doesn't mow the grass at the parks, and half the school buildings are boarded up. His niece, who is a math teacher, had to move to Denver to get a job. If Lansing weren't the state capitol they would be in even worse shape. The state government jobs are the only ones still constant.

Oh wow, if all 3 big automakers went bankrupted and disappeared so Michigan will going down very hard.

Fortunately, it saved in some part but didn't save Detroit and other cities from went down.

 

[Foxrac]

For me, if Alabama or Texas.

I pick Texas easily.

I'm going return to DC in Jan 2014.

 

[TXgolfer]

Like I said in first paragraph, if Texas is dominated by liberal or strong culture of public transportation so it will be excellent in larger cities.

1) No

2) Politics is not allowed on AD.

 

[Foxrac]

1) No

2) Politics is not allowed on AD.

I think you are in state of denial but you can believe whatever you want.

Detroit bankruptcy is strong political.

 

[Jiro]

what in the farce is going on here? 187 posts? dammit - too late for me to catch up.

 

[TXgolfer]

I think you are in state of denial but you can believe whatever you want.

Detroit bankruptcy is strong political.

Perhaps one day when you are out in the real world you will have a better understanding.

and....

No. Bankruptcy is financial.

 

[Foxrac]

Perhaps one day when you are out in the real world you will have a better understanding.

and....

No. Bankruptcy is financial.

Excuse me, I had been in many different cities in my life and some families live in Texas, especially my grandma is from Dallas metro. I found bus coverage in Dallas wasn't great as in LA and DC because it was in suburb. The public transportation is only good if you live within city limit but went out to far suburb - it became much less efficient.

I have different philosophy about why public transportation is less efficient in southern cities than in northern cities, also it was part of topic in my college course. The political, social and culture do have influence on public transportation. I know that political discussion is off limit so I cannot give a completely detail without inject the political thing into statement. There is simple reason about Dallas and Houston are less efficient of public transportation, unlike NYC because they are car oriented cities, also they were sprawling and spreading too. I believe that you wouldn't agree with me because you have different philosophy.

You can believe what you want.

There are A LOT of political involvement in Detroit bankruptcy and it is part of political issue.

If you have problem with post - I recommended you to discuss with moderator instead of doing backseat moderator that may have a slim chance to get respect from other members. That means your thread can getting locked up because argue about inaccurate accusation.

 

[TXgolfer]

Excuse me, I had been in many different cities in my life and some families live in Texas, especially my grandma is from Dallas metro. I found bus coverage in Dallas wasn't great as in LA and DC because it was in suburb. The public transportation is only good if you live within city limit but went out to far suburb - it became much less efficient.

I have different philosophy about why public transportation is less efficient in southern cities than in northern cities, also it was part of topic in my college course. The political, social and culture do have influence on public transportation. I know that political discussion is off limit so I cannot give a completely detail without inject the political thing into statement. There is simple reason about Dallas and Houston are less efficient of public transportation, unlike NYC because they are car oriented cities, also they were sprawling and spreading too. I believe that you wouldn't agree with me because you have different philosophy.

You can believe what you want.

There are A LOT of political involvement in Detroit bankruptcy and it is part of political issue.

If you have problem with post - I recommended you to discuss with moderator instead of doing backseat moderator that may have a slim chance to get respect from other members. That means your thread can getting locked up because argue about inaccurate accusation.

Again, Bankruptcy is financial....and that is the original purpose of this thread.

 

[PowerON]

That's not valid reason, especially for larger cities, IMO. In Canada, Ontario and Quebec are very larger providence, yet Toronto and Montreal have a great public transportation.

Houston, Dallas and Austin can improving the public transportation by add more train lines (LRT) in denser area and put more bus stops in suburb. The size of state is not valid reason, but I believed it used to be great about 50 years ago before cities got sprawl and very spread so little chance for put bus stop in new sprawled area.

San Antonio does better than 3 Texan cities above.
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Series/jobs and transit/SanAntonioTX.PDF

That's bad compare. Tornoto is like NYC, Ontario is like DC, Quebec and Montreal are like Chicago/LA. Nothing are relate to Dallas/Houston.

Same concept as wireless carriers, they cannot afford to have all coverage because it's frickin huge country. That mean, it's huge suburb that there is nothing you can do, it's people's choice whatever they want to live.

It cost lot of money and they're try their best to have rail route. I thought it's very much better than 10 years ago.

 

[kokonut]

Again, Bankruptcy is financial....and that is the original purpose of this thread.

Which points out the total ineptitude on how to run a city properly. Indeed it's all about money and spending it like drunken sailors. *smh* Bankruptcy is the only recourse and everybody will simply have to take what they can (or can't) and suffer for it.

Set in a futuristic Detroit plagued by financial ruin and economic decay, "RoboCop" -- made in 1987 -- relates how a no-nonsense cyborg law enforcer ends up policing the city's crime-ridden streets.

RoboCop creator: Detroit shows this fictional future is upon us - CNN.com

Almost 30 years ago.....and crime is a problem, too. Chicago's being one of the worst.

 

[Reba]

Practically speaking, it's almost impossible to separate political from economic and sociological/cultural influences. They are intertwined.

 

[Foxrac]

Again, Bankruptcy is financial....and that is the original purpose of this thread.

No, I disagree with you.

There is state government involvement in Detroit bankruptcy and they appointed the emergency manager, so it has strong political involvement in Detroit bankruptcy.

You told me that I discussed about political because your thread has strong political involvement.

 

[Foxrac]

That's bad compare. Tornoto is like NYC, Ontario is like DC, Quebec and Montreal are like Chicago/LA. Nothing are relate to Dallas/Houston.

Same concept as wireless carriers, they cannot afford to have all coverage because it's frickin huge country. That mean, it's huge suburb that there is nothing you can do, it's people's choice whatever they want to live.

It cost lot of money and they're try their best to have rail route. I thought it's very much better than 10 years ago.

You made bad compare - Ontario and Quebec are larger than Texas.

Ontario: 415,598 sq mi
Quebec: 595,391 sq mi
Texas: 268,596 sq mi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_provinces_and_territories_by_area
Facts | Texas Almanac

DC is much smaller than Ontario - worst compare.

Toronto and Montreal have good population compare to Houston and Dallas, yet they have excellent public transportation coverage.

Dallas and Houston are car oriented cities, similar to LA, but 30 years ago, there were no LRT, heavy rail or commuter train in LA. Only difference, LA has more bus coverage because of state/city/county funds.

 

[Foxrac]

Practically speaking, it's almost impossible to separate political from economic and sociological/cultural influences. They are intertwined.

Yes, I agree with you.

OP complained that I was discussing about political, but Detroit bankruptcy has political involvement.

 

[Reba]

Yes, I agree with you.

OP complained that I was discussing about political, but Detroit bankruptcy has political involvement.

I would stay out of that argument and let the Mods sort it out if there are any complaints.

 

[Foxrac]

I would stay out of that argument and let the Mods sort it out if there are any complaints.

Yes, that why I recommended OP to discuss with moderator instead of doing backseat moderator.

I will gladly to move on if there is no more talk about thread problem.

 

[TXgolfer]

No, I disagree with you.

There is state government involvement in Detroit bankruptcy and they appointed the emergency manager, so it has strong political involvement in Detroit bankruptcy.

You told me that I discussed about political because your thread has strong political involvement.

There is political involvement in almost everything in life. However the purpose of this thread is to discuss the financial and socio-economic elements of the Detroit (or municipalities in general) bankruptcy. If you are unable to limit your discussion to these parameters perhaps it would be best for you to involve yourself in other threads.