CPS teacher strike and Illinois area....

[Jiro]

Nope, but it would bring in teachers that were willing to work through those thing because the children are their number 1 priority. I stand by my statement.

and yet.... they all leave within few years... thus high turnover rate.... extremely costly....

 

[Jiro]

How can you be certain the union reps were not lying? Union reps do that all the time.

I see that you're making a lot of blanket statements. Can't even include a source.

tsk.

 

[Jiro]

To be honest - you suggest a solution. I appreciate that! I think that many would agree that it is like putting a band-aid on a severed artery, but it is a solution.

My sense is you are anti-union? Am I correct? Even with my background, I understand the sentiment - unions often cause more harm than good. Take a look at the start of this strike - asking for a 30% salary increase in a state that is basically broke and not paying its bills is unreasonable. Not to mention the national economic crisis. Protecting poor teachers is NOT okay.

THAT SAID, unions also protect us from discrimination and blatant abuse of power, so there are SOME good things. I wish there was a happy medium.

and the teachers put up with it for 25 years... enough is enough.

 

[Jiro]

I also quoted the 40K stat in my rant last night, Jiro may have gotten that number from me. So I apologize if it was an exaggeration.

That said, That number is in my head for some reason - could it be the average tuition of all universities? Something like that??? Now it will bug me and I will have to find out.

Often wrong, NEVER uncertain

no no. $40,000k is a typical tuition cost for out-of-state or private school.

 

[TracyK]

no no. $40,000k is a typical tuition cost for out-of-state or private school.

Thank you for the clarification. This would have driven me NUTS!

 

[Jiro]

At the College of Charleston, undergraduate tuition for an in-state student is less that $10,000 per year.

Undergraduate cadet tuition is just under $11,00 per year at The Citadel.

Charleston Southern University (private) is $10,700 per year undergrad.

A little over $10,000 per year for undergraduates at the University of South Carolina.

Clemson University is a little over $13,000 per year.

I don't think $40k per year is "typical."

yes. that would be the cost for those who chose in-state route. and there are others who chose out-of-state/private route to deliver a quality education for kids.

My friend graduated from Bryn Mawr College and Harvard University for Master's to be a teacher and is now on a fast track to be an school administrator.

Michelle Rhee, former DC Chancellor, went to Cornell University and Harvard University for Master's and then signed up with Teach for America.

Both individuals chose private route and are extremely ambitious with deep passion for delivering quality education to kids. Now don't we want our teachers to be ambitious and have a high-quality education to teach and mentor our kids?

I don't have anything against teachers choosing regular route but our education system and children are shaped by highly-driven educators with prestigious background.

 

[Reba]

...for private school, it's not required. just a certification is all you need.

All of the teachers at our Christian school have at least a bachelor's degree. Many have a master's. The school administrator has a doctorate in education. In addition, the teachers get their state certificates for teaching.

In this state, teachers get their degrees first, then go for certification.

Where did you get information about private schools?

 

[Reba]

no no. $40,000k is a typical tuition cost for out-of-state or private school.

Well, if a student's finances are tight, my first suggestion would be to attend a public in-state school. That should reduce the debt load by at least half.

 

[Jiro]

All of the teachers at our Christian school have at least a bachelor's degree. Many have a master's. The school administrator has a doctorate in education. In addition, the teachers get their state certificates for teaching.

In this state, teachers get their degrees first, then go for certification.

Where did you get information about private schools?

Every private school has its own policy and standard... thus has much more leeway than public school does. It is not legally required for teachers to have Bachelor's to work at private school. Private schools are exempted from legal requirements that public schools have to follow. That's also why home-schooling is legally allowed even though parents are not certified as teacher.

Yours apparently has a higher standard and that's good.

Private Elementary School Teacher: Educational Requirements

Private elementary school teachers often enjoy greater autonomy in the classroom than do teachers in public schools. Requirements vary by state, but licensing is not always required in order to teach in a private school. In most cases, though, a bachelor's degree in education or a similar field is the threshold to gain career entry. Supervised hands-on training in a classroom is typically part of the preparation to be a teacher.

Educational Requirements
Private elementary school teachers are responsible for the creation of their classroom environments. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), many private school teachers have greater freedom in this area than their counterparts in public schools (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics). This is partly due to the fact that most private schools are not subject to the same government educational standards as public schools, although specific policies differ from state to state. Teachers are thus able to design learning activities and create learning materials to inspire and promote educational discovery in the ways that they see fit.

Private elementary school teachers may or may not be required by the state to attain licensure or a specific educational background. Schools, however, might require their teachers to complete a bachelor's degree program in education or similar. Completing a Bachelor of Science degree program for elementary education will lay the groundwork for aspiring educators to meet the broadest range of state and school requirements.

Teacher Certification | Earning Your Teaching Certificate

PRIVATE AND CHARTER SCHOOLS
Charter schools are independent public schools, each governed by a public board of trustees that has the authority to hire teachers according to their own established standards. In some states, charter schools can hire teachers regardless of state certification requirements. In other states, charter schools are like other public schools and are held to the same state requirements to hire only certified teachers. Contact your state Department of Education to find out a particular charter school's teacher certification requirements.

On the other hand, private schools are not regulated by state government and can set their own standards. While some private schools require teachers to be certified, many do not. Contact individual schools to learn whether they require teacher certification.

 

[Jiro]

Well, if a student's finances are tight, my first suggestion would be to attend a public in-state school. That should reduce the debt load by at least half.

oh well. they sacrifice for the sake of future generations.

 

[Reba]

yes. that would be the cost for those who chose in-state route. and there are others who chose out-of-state/private route to deliver a quality education for kids.

Excuse me but teachers who get their degrees from in-state public colleges are just as likely to deliver a quality education for kids. What an elitist statement!

Besides, weren't you blaming inferior education on the poor kids' crime-ridden neighborhoods and neglectful parents?

My friend graduated from Bryn Mawr College and Harvard University for Master's to be a teacher and is now on a fast track to be an school administrator.

Teaching and administrating are two different things. There are wonderful teachers who would make terrible administrators, and wonderful administrators who would make terrible teachers.

How long was your friend a teacher?

... don't we want our teachers to be ambitious and have a high-quality education to teach and mentor our kids?

Despite what you believe, a high-quality education can be had at other than a handful of private colleges around the country.

If you mean career ambitions, that's not necessarily a good thing for teachers to have. If you mean being ambitious about improving one's teaching skills and having enthusiasm for teaching, then that's a good thing.

I don't have anything against teachers choosing regular route but our education system and children are shaped by highly-driven educators with prestigious background.

Are you sure about that? That's not what you described in your previous posts.

Do you have statistics to back up that statement?

 

[Jiro]

The Secret Lives of Private School Teachers

Why do private school teachers accept such low-paying positions when they could earn more money at public schools?

For starters, private schools waive the teaching degree and state certification requirements that public schools demand, making them a viable option for people like Dunn who, in her words, “want to sort of ‘try on’ teaching as a career.”

She also mentioned that several of her acquaintances chose the profession because they loved their own private school experiences, and wanted to offer the same to other children.

Some teachers were attracted by features that typically distinguish independent schools, like smaller class sizes, flexibility in curriculum design, stricter discipline, and freedom from state testing requirements.

But the factors that initially draw teachers to private schools don’t necessarily keep them there.

According to the National Commission on Teaching and America’s Future, as of 2007, 46 percent of all new teachers in the United States left the profession within five years. Teacher turnover was higher at private institutions than public ones, reported the National Center for Education Statistics. In 2008-09, 16 percent of private school teachers left the teaching profession compared to eight percent of public school teachers—a troubling, but understandable, statistic indeed.

 

[Reba]

We have some teachers at our Christian school who are fresh out of college, some with 25+ years on board, and most within a range between. We have some turn over, mostly from teachers whose spouses get transferred away, and some who start out single, then as young newlyweds but quit when the babies come along.

 

[TXgolfer]

actually it's that simple. private schools do not have the same stringent level as public schools do. Private schools have much more leeway than public schools do.

what kind of information are you looking for then?

Not what you referred to.

you might want to check double check on that

I am certain, actually.

 

[TXgolfer]

and yet.... they all leave within few years... thus high turnover rate.... extremely costly....

Perhaps, perhaps not. Better than the teachers who are failing.

 

[TXgolfer]

and the teachers put up with it for 25 years... enough is enough.

They are free to go. *shrug*

 

[TXgolfer]

yes. that would be the cost for those who chose in-state route. and there are others who chose out-of-state/private route to deliver a quality education for kids.

My friend graduated from Bryn Mawr College and Harvard University for Master's to be a teacher and is now on a fast track to be an school administrator.

Michelle Rhee, former DC Chancellor, went to Cornell University and Harvard University for Master's and then signed up with Teach for America.

Both individuals chose private route and are extremely ambitious with deep passion for delivering quality education to kids. Now don't we want our teachers to be ambitious and have a high-quality education to teach and mentor our kids?

I don't have anything against teachers choosing regular route but our education system and children are shaped by highly-driven educators with prestigious background.

Exactly, they chose......despite the "low pay".

 

[Jiro]

Excuse me but teachers who get their degrees from in-state public colleges are just as likely to deliver a quality education for kids. What an elitist statement!

didn't you miss this statement?

"I don't have anything against teachers choosing regular route but our education system and children are shaped by highly-driven educators with prestigious background."

Besides, weren't you blaming inferior education on the poor kids' crime-ridden neighborhoods and neglectful parents?

I've said no such thing. I criticized TXGolfer for his simpleton suggestion because it's a complex socioeconomic issue. You cannot blame one thing for whole thing. It's everything.

Teaching and administrating are two different things. There are wonderful teachers who would make terrible administrators, and wonderful administrators who would make terrible teachers.

Many administrators are former teachers.

How long was your friend a teacher?

Probably over 4 years now. Still a long way but getting there. She's focusing on her students first and will continue to do so for probably several more years before stepping up.

EDIT - just asked. 6 years now.

Despite what you believe, a high-quality education can be had at other than a handful of private colleges around the country.

Correct. I'm 100% state-educated... from K-12-College

If you mean career ambitions, that's not necessarily a good thing for teachers to have. If you mean being ambitious about improving one's teaching skills and having enthusiasm for teaching, then that's a good thing.

Teaching is a career. If a teacher is ambitious enough, he/she will would be a great teacher that students look up to. I'm very fortunate enough to have ambitious teachers who were very very actively involved in our lives and communities. I would not have made it this far if it weren't for them. That's why I was always home as late as 6pm or so.

Are you sure about that? That's not what you described in your previous posts.

Do you have statistics to back up that statement?

Pick any school administrator and take a look at his/her background.

I just learned that my HS has a new superintendent as of last year. His background -

He spent two of his undergraduate years at DeSales University in Pennsylvania and finished his bachelor's in philosophy at St. John's in Rome, Italy. He received his mentor's degree at St. Thomas Aquinas University, which is also in Rome. He received both his master's degree in education leadership and his school administrators and principal certification from Lehigh University. He received his doctorate from Widner University. He is currently taking an online accounting course to finish up the last requirement to earn his business administrator certificate.

Background of the principal of my rival HS

undergraduate degree , history
Holy Cross College

advanced degree , counseling
William Paterson University

doctorate , educational administration and supervision
Seton Hall University

DC Chancellor Kaya Henderson -

Kaya Henderson received her bachelor’s degree in international relations from Georgetown’s School of Foreign Service, and her Master of Arts in leadership, also from Georgetown University.

U.S. Secretary of Education -

Duncan attended the University of Chicago Laboratory Schools[2] and later Harvard University, where he graduated magna cum laude in 1987 with a bachelor's degree in sociology.

and bunch more...

 

[TXgolfer]

Every private school has its own policy and standard... thus has much more leeway than public school does. It is not legally required for teachers to have Bachelor's to work at private school. Private schools are exempted from legal requirements that public schools have to follow. That's also why home-schooling is legally allowed even though parents are not certified as teacher.

Yours apparently has a higher standard and that's good.

Private Elementary School Teacher: Educational Requirements


Teacher Certification | Earning Your Teaching Certificate

You realize that both of your links disprove the bold, right? You give an absolute, yet one link says it "may or may not" and another link says some states DO hold private schools to the same requirements.

 

[Jiro]

Perhaps, perhaps not. Better than the teachers who are failing.

more unfounded claims, I see. hence Post #105.