CPS teacher strike and Illinois area....

[TXgolfer]

You may not believe the level of teaching would suffer, and that it may improve, I disagree. If it is really our goal to INCREASE LEARNING EFFECTIVENESS, it will not change the decrepit and violence ridden communities, change the home environment of theses students, nor allow students the materials they need in AND OUT of the classroom (starting with text books). All factors which contribute to student success and impact test scores.

Nope, but it would bring in teachers that were willing to work through those thing because the children are their number 1 priority. I stand by my statement.

 

[Foxrac]

You may not believe the level of teaching would suffer, and that it may improve, I disagree. If it is really our goal to INCREASE LEARNING EFFECTIVENESS, it will not change the decrepit and violence ridden communities, change the home environment of theses students, nor allow students the materials they need in AND OUT of the classroom (starting with text books). All factors which contribute to student success and impact test scores.

Oh wow, you seems very frustrated.

I'm sorry that you have a hard time with other members and the debate about situation with teacher can be very ugly.

Like I said, I have mixed feeling about teacher union, however sometime, the unions can be good side.

 

[TracyK]

Interesting...because several union reps have commented on commuting costs from the suburbs as a problem. Perhaps the union reps were lying.

SERIOUSLY? I chose NOT to teach in the inner city schools BECAUSE of this rule in the contract (TWICE - early in my career then again about 5 years ago). Teaching at risk youth was ALWAYS my dream.

Lying NO. Misunderstood? Misquoted? YES

 

[TXgolfer]

http://nctaf.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/NCTAF-Cost-of-Teacher-Turnover-2007-full-report.pdf






sounds familiar, TXGolfer?

Totally irrelevant, actually.

 

[TXgolfer]

SERIOUSLY? I chose NOT to teach in the inner city schools BECAUSE of this rule in the contract (TWICE - early in my career then again about 5 years ago). Teaching at risk youth was ALWAYS my dream.

Lying NO. Misunderstood? Misquoted? YES

How can you be certain the union reps were not lying? Union reps do that all the time.

 

[TXgolfer]

due to NCLB, it's required to have Bachelor degree to teach and in some fields... Master's degree. Typical college tuition cost is about $40,000 a year. You can do the math.

for private school, it's not required. just a certification is all you need.

Too much missing information to do math here....

You do realize that most private schools go through an accreditation process as well, right?

 

[TracyK]

Nope, but it would bring in teachers that were willing to work through those thing because the children are their number 1 priority. I stand by my statement.

To be honest - you suggest a solution. I appreciate that! I think that many would agree that it is like putting a band-aid on a severed artery, but it is a solution.

My sense is you are anti-union? Am I correct? Even with my background, I understand the sentiment - unions often cause more harm than good. Take a look at the start of this strike - asking for a 30% salary increase in a state that is basically broke and not paying its bills is unreasonable. Not to mention the national economic crisis. Protecting poor teachers is NOT okay.

THAT SAID, unions also protect us from discrimination and blatant abuse of power, so there are SOME good things. I wish there was a happy medium.

 

[TracyK]

How can you be certain the union reps were not lying? Union reps do that all the time.

Because all public Chicago employees are REQUIRED to live in the city boundaries. This includes fire, EMT, Police, Teachers, Garbage men, etc... It is in all of their contracts. Perhaps they were talking about the expense of the EL going from one side of the city to the other.

I had two different contracts in my hand, both with the same rule. It is status quo in the City of Chicago.

BTW - I KNOW union reps, politicians, not to mention CEOs lie. I am not even close to naive.

 

[TracyK]

Oh wow, you seems very frustrated.

I'm sorry that you have a hard time with other members and the debate about situation with teacher can be very ugly.

Like I said, I have mixed feeling about teacher union, however sometime, the unions can be good side.

Not a hard time - I actually enjoy arguing It is a sickness

I think, as I said on another post, there are upsides and downsides. Historically unions were necessary. Chicago is a union town, so the good the bad and the ugly are all currently on display....

I hope this ends soon. It really does break my heart. Especially when I see how teacher's are viewed in society. They do so much for our society.

 

[Jane B.]

5:25 pm CDT on Channel 5 out of St. Louis breaking news that the strike is being suspended by the teachers union. No details yet. It is an AP story also on KSDK's web site.

 

[Reba]

due to NCLB, it's required to have Bachelor degree to teach and in some fields... Master's degree. Typical college tuition cost is about $40,000 a year. You can do the math.

for private school, it's not required. just a certification is all you need.

At the College of Charleston, undergraduate tuition for an in-state student is less that $10,000 per year.

Undergraduate cadet tuition is just under $11,00 per year at The Citadel.

Charleston Southern University (private) is $10,700 per year undergrad.

A little over $10,000 per year for undergraduates at the University of South Carolina.

Clemson University is a little over $13,000 per year.

I don't think $40k per year is "typical."

 

[TracyK]

5:25 pm CDT on Channel 5 out of St. Louis breaking news that the strike is being suspended by the teachers union. No details yet. It is an AP story also on KSDK's web site.

HOORAY!!!

Front page of Chicago Tribune, too!!!!

 

[TracyK]

At the College of Charleston, undergraduate tuition for an in-state student is less that $10,000 per year.

Undergraduate cadet tuition is just under $11,00 per year at The Citadel.

Charleston Southern University (private) is $10,700 per year undergrad.

A little over $10,000 per year for undergraduates at the University of South Carolina.

Clemson University is a little over $13,000 per year.

I don't think $40k per year is "typical."

Good research - keep in mind tuition does not count fees, books, and housing. My husband teaches at a private University annual tuition 45K which includes housing, but not fees/books.

State universities in Illinois are averaging around 25K a year. Here in Normal, Illinois, home of ISU, tuition is 26K.

 

[Reba]

Good research - keep in mind tuition does not count fees, books, and housing....

I know. Since Jiro used the $40,000 per year tuition, I used the equivalents.

I have a young family member who graduated from Michigan State University a couple years ago with a degree in teaching math. From a definitely not wealthy middle class family, and using every possible grant, financial aid, and scholarship, living frugally, worked as a math tutor, graduated without a student loan debt. Taught at a local high school, and is working on a master's degree.

 

[TXgolfer]

Because all public Chicago employees are REQUIRED to live in the city boundaries. This includes fire, EMT, Police, Teachers, Garbage men, etc... It is in all of their contracts. Perhaps they were talking about the expense of the EL going from one side of the city to the other.

I had two different contracts in my hand, both with the same rule. It is status quo in the City of Chicago.

BTW - I KNOW union reps, politicians, not to mention CEOs lie. I am not even close to naive.

I am aware of this. They have tried in years past to change this. Many cities do that. Pretty sure the union rep was going for drama.

 

[TracyK]

I know. Since Jiro used the $40,000 per year tuition, I used the equivalents.

I have a young family member who graduated from Michigan State University a couple years ago with a degree in teaching math. From a definitely not wealthy middle class family, and using every possible grant, financial aid, and scholarship, living frugally, worked as a math tutor, graduated without a student loan debt. Taught at a local high school, and is working on a master's degree.

That is very impressive!!! I graduated from a state school, as a single mom and am STILL paying my student loans..... Soon I will be done with that.

You should be very proud of him!

 

[TracyK]

For the record...

I know. Since Jiro used the $40,000 per year tuition, I used the equivalents.

I also quoted the 40K stat in my rant last night, Jiro may have gotten that number from me. So I apologize if it was an exaggeration.

That said, That number is in my head for some reason - could it be the average tuition of all universities? Something like that??? Now it will bug me and I will have to find out.

Often wrong, NEVER uncertain

 

[Reba]

That is very impressive!!! I graduated from a state school, as a single mom and am STILL paying my student loans..... Soon I will be done with that.

You should be very proud of him!

Yes, we're proud of her academic accomplishments.

My college is constantly sending me emails offering student loans. No, I don't want one! Of course, they're automated mailings.

 

[Jiro]

Too much missing information to do math here....

actually it's that simple. private schools do not have the same stringent level as public schools do. Private schools have much more leeway than public schools do.

what kind of information are you looking for then?

You do realize that most private schools go through an accreditation process as well, right?

you might want to check double check on that

 

[TracyK]

Yes, we're proud of her academic accomplishments.

My college is constantly sending me emails offering student loans. No, I don't want one! Of course, they're automated mailings.

So sorry for my stereotype!!!

GIRLS RULE!