Obama: US Launches Military Action Against Libya

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Jiro said:
at this point right now.... nope I don't see any similarities. We are not at war with Libya. We are not invading Libya. We are enforcing UN's no-fly zone together with other nations. What we're doing is no different from what we're doing to enforce sanction in North Korea and Cuba.
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Weren't we "enforcing" resolutions in Korea? Didn't we "back" France in Vietnam? Did we not try to "combat" ideologies in the countries I mentioned?

Look, I'm not saying that Libya will go sour, but I sure do see the potential. It doesn't help that our President needed a lot of fricking convincing and didn't even bother addressing Congress first.

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US Military: Libyan Air Force Destroyed | Africa | English

Hueber said there was no indication that forces loyal to the Libyan leader, Col. Moammar Gadhafi, had stopped attacking civilian populations, as required by the U.N. Security Council's resolution establishing the no-fly zone.

Hueber said the objective of the mission is not to oust the Libyan leader, but to protect civilians and enable humanitarian aid to reach them.

In Cairo, Defense Secretary Robert Gates cautiously suggested that opposition fighters who suffered recently may now have an opportunity to regroup following the attacks on the Gadhafi air force.

"I think a lot of the people who were in opposition and who played a role in the early days have hunkered down," said Secretary Gates. "And it may be that the changed circumstances, where he can't use his aircraft and where he's more challenged in using his armor - [they] may return to the fight. But we just don't know that now."

Gates said that the U.S. is still planning to hand over the key role in the attacks on Libya to its coalition allies.
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Sounds great, but Libya is split in half. So what are we going to do? Create two new countries? What's the goal? Please tell me there's a long-term goal. :(

We're not fighting with or for the rebel forces. We're fighting against Gaddafi. Okay. Great. But wtf is this new government?
 
TheOracle said:
He was saying that Libya poses no current threat to the U.S. Anyway, we'd be in Libya with or without Pan Am 108.
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I know what's he saying and I'm saying he's erroneous as usual.
 
So perhaps I should've framed it differently. The military is largely independent in Egypt and would have not interfered. The police were divided. But certain things were required for that government shift to happen, and that was part of it.
 
TheOracle said:
Weren't we "enforcing" resolutions in Korea?
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what resolution? FYI - Korean War was never over. it's still on-going.

TheOracle said:
Didn't we "back" France in Vietnam?
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no.

TheOracle said:
Did we not try to "combat" ideologies in the countries I mentioned?
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yes. and that's not what we're doing in Libya.

TheOracle said:
Look, I'm not saying that Libya will go sour, but I sure do see the potential. It doesn't help that our President needed a lot of fricking convincing and didn't even bother addressing Congress first.
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again - we're not at war with Libya. Congressional authorization is not needed. I lol'ed at people whining about Obama disregarding legal procedure for launching military action against Libya.

Did Congress forget War Power Resolutions already? and UN Security Council Resolution of 1973?

it's very simple. a mere political ploy to confuse the public. People are mincing words to make it look like what President Obama did was illegal. It's all about word game because some people don't want another war. another budget pithole. Let's not forget that Senate UNANIMOUSLY voted for it.

TheOracle said:
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US Military: Libyan Air Force Destroyed | Africa | English

Sounds great, but Libya is split in half. So what are we going to do? Create two new countries? What's the goal? Please tell me there's a long-term goal. :(

We're not fighting with or for the rebel forces. We're fighting against Gaddafi. Okay. Great. But wtf is this new government?
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no. we are enforcing UN Security Council's resolution that demanded Gaddafi to cease military attack on civilians.
 
and beside.... half of Americans support this action against Libya and so do I.

what Gadhafi is doing right now... attacking hospital??? not cool! :mad:
 
The civilians are firing back. I don't know where you get your history from or what your point is. I NEVER said Obama was in an "illegal" war -- you know that. It's in my other posts.

If we're not supporting democracy in Libya, then why does he keep saying so?
 
:squint: I don't even know what you're trying to argue. Okay, you think we should be a police force all over the world. Cheers.
 
TheOracle said:
The civilians are firing back. I don't know where you get your history from or what your point is. I NEVER said Obama was in an "illegal" war -- you know that. It's in my other posts.
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I wasn't referring to you. I said "people".

TheOracle said:
If we're not supporting democracy in Libya, then why does he keep saying so?
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doesn't matter. Fact still remains that, as you said, we are not fighting with or for the rebel forces. and we are not fighting against Gaddafi on our accord either.
 
TheOracle said:
:squint: I don't even know what you're trying to argue. Okay, you think we should be a police force all over the world. Cheers.
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not arguing. Pointing out errors and clarifying the situation.
 
and no I don't believe that we should be world police but I do believe we should intervene in any country committing crimes against humanity.

"With great power comes great responsibility...."
 
Jiro said:
and no I don't believe that we should be world police but I do believe we should intervene in any country committing crimes against humanity.

"With great power comes great responsibility...."
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That's a lot of countries...Iran...Saudi Arabia...China...et cetera
 
TheOracle said:
That's a lot of countries...Iran...Saudi Arabia...China...et cetera
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that's why we do the best we can :)

we speak out against it. we continue to assist and fund Taiwan. I strongly support any action to reduce our dependency on these countries you listed above so that we can be in position to have stronger poker hands than theirs.
 
Jiro said:
I don't know where you're getting that info. Police beat up protesters. Military was neutral on it.
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That's the way I heard it. Some military supported the protestors but mostly they stayed cool. The police were terrible.
 
Quaddafi has not been a threat to the U.S. since 1986. Even then, he wasn't a very significant threat ... just a hot head.

We got 1.5 billion in a settlement ....
 
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