Obama: US Launches Military Action Against Libya

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Banjo said:
Agent Orange, anybody?
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Agent Orange was a chemical defoliant used to clear jungle canopy to allow us to see the enemy. It was never a weapon.

Because of incomplete hazard testing before use (In 1966 the State Department had issued a report that herbicides used in Vietnam are non-toxic and not dangerous to man or animal life).

Many nations troops came down with cancer and died early. Their kids had birth defects.

The Admiral who authorized its use was Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Jr. His son LT Elmo Zumwalt III died of NPDL (Nodular Poorly Differentiated Lymphoma) from exposure to it and, his son developed learning disabilities.

A few of my friends in the PGR still get tested twice a year at the VA for cancer from AO exposure. Fortunately, during Vietnam I was on an East coast destroyer and only sailed the Atlantic and Mediterranean.
 
I have an uncle who was an engineer in Viet Nam. He was in the Army and was part of the jungle clearing project. He operated a specially fitted bulldozer called a Rome Plow. Their unit was known for "preventing forests" :lol:

Rome plow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was under constant enemy fire. His unit received over 500 Meritorious Service Citations, the only unit to do so (I think).

He is currently a "Sarge" with the Arizona Rangers.

His favorite quote is "Life is hard. Its even harder if your stupid"

I will try to find his unit and roster. So far, I have this:

http://www.military.com/HomePage/UnitPageHistory/1,13506,701430|700254,00.html
 
TheOracle said:
And what were we doing in Vietnam? Helping France and "spreading democracy". :hmm:
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More like taking over from France. They got their butts kicked. France left. Then us. We left. (History repeating itself).

After 911 the war in Afghanistan I agreed with. Wars on or occupations in Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia and now Libya I didn't. If we don't go in to win, don't go at all. All this talk about exit strategy before we start is total foolishness and a waste.

Does anyone remember the accidental attack by us in Bosnia? We hit the Chinese embassy. People were killed. Their anger could have started WW III. Fortunately we begged forgiveness and offered compensation.

President Obama is wrong to attack. That is an internal countries conflict. There is no direct threat to our country's safety.

Who's next: Syria, Bahrain, Yemen?
 
TinCanSailor said:
More like taking over from France. They got their butts kicked. France left. Then us. We left. (History repeating itself).

After 911 the war in Afghanistan I agreed with. Wars on or occupations in Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia and now Libya I didn't. If we don't go in to win, don't go at all. All this talk about exit strategy before we start is total foolishness and a waste.

Does anyone remember the accidental attack by us in Bosnia? We hit the Chinese embassy. People were killed. Their anger could have started WW III. Fortunately we begged forgiveness and offered compensation.

President Obama is wrong to attack. That is an internal countries conflict. There is no direct threat to our country's safety.

Who's next: Syria, Bahrain, Yemen?
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it's a tricky issue. while it currently poses no direct threat to our country... will it pose a threat to us in the future?

"Preemptive Strike" Doctrine...
 
Jiro said:
it's a tricky issue. while it currently poses no direct threat to our country... will it pose a threat to us in the future?

"Preemptive Strike" Doctrine...
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Libya has never posed a direct threat to our country .... ever. When Quadafi (feel free to speel correc koodafi) declared war on us, we took care of it in 12 minutes flat.
 
Steinhauer said:
Libya has never posed a direct threat to our country .... ever. When Quadafi (feel free to speel correc koodafi) declared war on us, we took care of it in 12 minutes flat.
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Pan Am Flight 103. 189 Americans killed.
 
Steinhauer said:
The Lockerbie bomber was a threat, not Libya.

Let Libya have their civil war .... we can butt out for once.
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funded and ordered by Libya's ruler... Gaddafi.

definitely not a loner. and it's not a threat because it actually happened.
 
Jiro said:
it's obviously a sensitive legal and international issue. you can't just step into other country and have your way just because you say it's wrong of them to do this and that.
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:smash:

Exactly. That, my friends, is called tyranny.
 
Jiro said:
no. to stop the spread of communism. that was our goal. South Korea was a major asset for Americans in Vietnam... 2nd largest ally. Communism is our hatred and common enemy.

remember - USSR & communism fear (aka Red Scare) were very real at that time. now.... it's Islamophobia.
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That's what I said. Stop communism and spread democracy. Now we just stop Muslim tyrants and try to instill democracy. Same argument, different area of the world.

As far as the "threat" of communism...I can see both sides to that. But there is no universal communism any more than there is universal democracy.

Can't you see the similarities between Vietnam, Libya, and Iraq? Not just the "spreading democracy" crap, but at how we fought other countries through these wars...we fund one side while a perceived threat funds another.

Although...maybe there's hope for the domino theory after all. :hmm: This new ideology you speak of - how do you think it will pan out? What does it look like?

*sigh* Three weeks ago, I was subbing for a Current Events class and the kids asked, "Hey Miss J, will Libya get democracy like Egypt?" Sadly, I had to point out that Egypt was relatively more stable before, during, and after the process and the movement was more unified. :/ Gaddafi ain't taking this crap. The people of Egypt were a stronger force than those in Libya.

Libya will = more violence.
 
Jiro said:
funded and ordered by Libya's ruler... Gaddafi.

definitely not a loner. and it's not a threat because it actually happened.
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That was nineteen frickin eighty eight! This has nothing to do with it! But entering Libya....it could go veddy veddy bad. Unless we *know* we can win, then we should butt the f out because it will only strengthen Gaddafi's cause worldwide. (Palestine, Iran, Saudi Arabia...I mean who cares about Palestine but do you want to go to war with Iran? ME EITHER.)

Great, I can see it happening now...Israel retaliates for the Jerusalem bombing, Syria and Saudi Arabia continue to fund Hamas, the new government in Egypt allows weapons to pass through easier and then Israel is at war again with Lebanon and Palestine, cause you know Hezbollah is in on this, too...the US aids Israel, which only angers Great Britain, France and Germany...meanwhile, we're stuck in Libya trying to build peace (hah) but we're arguing in NATO while the coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan crumble and Iran moves in bed closer to the shi'ite forces in Iraq while Al Queida is burning up the rest of the Muslim world and then a 11.0 earthquake rips America in half while Saudi Arabia LOLs at this mess and Kim Jong Il will take over what is left, except for Mexico, which survives the earthquake and rises to dominate North America and take its territory back. :(
 
TheOracle said:
Can't you see the similarities between Vietnam, Libya, and Iraq?
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at this point right now.... nope I don't see any similarities. We are not at war with Libya. We are not invading Libya. We are enforcing UN's no-fly zone together with other nations. What we're doing is no different from what we're doing to enforce sanction in North Korea and Cuba.
 
TheOracle said:
Great, I can see it happening now...Israel retaliates for the Jerusalem bombing, Syria and Saudi Arabia continue to fund Hamas, the new government in Egypt allows weapons to pass through easier and then Israel is at war again with Lebanon and Palestine, cause you know Hezbollah is in on this, too...the US aids Israel, which only angers Great Britain, France and Germany...meanwhile, we're stuck in Libya trying to build peace (hah) but we're arguing in NATO while the coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan crumble and Iran moves in bed closer to the shi'ite forces in Iraq while Al Queida is burning up the rest of the Muslim world and then a 11.0 earthquake rips America in half while Saudi Arabia LOLs at this mess and Kim Jong Il will take over what is left, except for Mexico, which survives the earthquake and rises to dominate North America and take its territory back. :(
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Its a wonderful life we live here on earth! :P

I going to do a faith check on reality and go shopping! :laugh2:
 
Jiro said:
because Egypt is wealthier than Libya and Libya is a third world country.
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No denyin' it. But Egypt's population was largely united- even the police and military supported the protesters.
 
Jiro said:
there's no statute of limitation for murdering Americans. we never forget.
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He was saying that Libya poses no current threat to the U.S. Anyway, we'd be in Libya with or without Pan Am 108.
 
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