Obama: US Launches Military Action Against Libya

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Jiro said:
I guess you're gonna turn a blind eye on 189 Americans killed.
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Your just looking for a reason to get more people (specifically, American soldiers) killed?
 
Steinhauer said:
Your just looking for a reason to get more people (specifically, American soldiers) killed?
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I love how you write such ridiculous statement that does not even relate to my stance at all. got any more delusional statements?

and I also love how you don't answer my questions :wave:
 
Jiro said:
I love how you write such ridiculous statement that does not even relate to my stance at all. got any more delusional statements?
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Your stance is we should go to war with Libya? No?

My stance is we should stay out of it.
 
btw Steinhauer - I don't know if you have a reading comprehension or not but I thought my posts should be crystal enough for you to understand what my stance is.

post #127
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crystal clear, no?
 
Jiro said:
and beside.... half of Americans support this action against Libya and so do I.

what Gadhafi is doing right now... attacking hospital??? not cool! :mad:
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Before pointing fingers at others, take a good long hard look at what is uncool:


Der Spiegel publishes photos of U.S. soldiers posing with dead Afghan civilian
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The photos are among several hundred the Army has sought to keep under wraps as it prosecutes five members of the 5th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, for the alleged murders of three unarmed Afghan civilians last year. The photographs published by Der Spiegel were among those covered by a judicial protective order issued by a military judge, prohibiting their public release.

The photos were published in the print edition of the magazine scheduled for distribution Monday. An advance copy was made available to subscribers in an e-mail over the weekend.

According to the magazine, the photos show soldiers from the 5th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, posing separately next to the corpse of Gul Mudin, an unarmed Afghan civilian killed by their unit on Jan. 15, 2010.

One photo depicts Spec. Jeremy N. Morlock of Wasilla, Alaska, smiling and crouching next to the bloodied corpse. The other depicts Pfc. Andrew H. Holmes of Boise, Idaho, squatting next to the same body.

In a statement released Sunday, the Army called the actions depicted in the photos “repugnant to us as human beings and contrary to the standards and values of the United States Army.”

“We apologize for the distress these photos cause,” the Army statement said. “The actions portrayed in these photographs remain under investigation and are now the subject of ongoing U.S. court-martial proceedings, in which the accused are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.”

Morlock and Holmes have both been charged with murder in Mudin’s death. According to charging documents filed by Army criminal investigators, Mudin began walking toward the soldiers in the Maiwand district of Kandahar province. As the Afghan approached, Morlock threw a grenade on the ground, according to the documents, to create the illusion that the soldiers were under attack.

Holmes saw the grenade and fired his weapon at Mudin, according to charging documents. The grenade exploded, prompting other soldiers to open fire on the villager as well, killing him.

In statements to investigators, the soldiers involved have given conflicting details. In one statement that his attorney has subsequently tried to suppress, Morlock said that another soldier, Staff Sgt. Calvin R. Gibbs, had given him the grenade and that others were also aware of the ruse beforehand. But Holmes and his attorney said he was in the dark and opened fire only because Morlock ordered him to do so.

Morlock has pleaded guilty to three charges of murder and is scheduled to be sentenced at a court-martial Wednesday.

Geoffrey Nathan, one of Morlock’s civilian defense attorneys, said the photographs published by Der Spiegel would not affect the outcome of his case. He said that the photographs do not have a time or date stamp and that the identity of the corpse and the setting were unverifiable, calling it “mere speculation.”

But Daniel Conway, a civilian attorney for Holmes, confirmed the authenticity of the photo depicting his client, who he said “was ordered to be in the picture” by superiors in his platoon.

Conway said the photograph could help to clear Holmes of murder because Mudin’s wounds appear to have been caused exclusively by a grenade blast. Holmes is accused of shooting the Afghan man.

Conway criticized the Army for trying to keep the photographs under wraps.

“The Army is spending most of their time investigating the photos rather than the murder,” he said.

In its statement, the Army noted that, in addition to the murder charges, it was also investigating whether members of the unit mistreated Afghan corpses. Some soldiers already have been charged with harboring body parts of alleged victims.

“When allegations of wrongdoing by soldiers surface, to include the inappropriate treatment of the dead, they are fully investigated,” the Army statement said. “Soldiers who commit offenses will be held fully accountable.”

A third photograph published by Der Spiegel allegedly depicts two dead, handcuffed Afghan civilians. No soldiers are included in the photo, and the magazine did not say when it was taken or how it was related to the Stryker unit.


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Der Spiegel publishes photos of U.S. soldiers posing with dead Afghan civilian - The Washington Post


That right there is a PR nightmare. Who do you think is going to use it as a recruiting tool?
 
Jiro said:
you can go ahead and make a new thread about it. This thread is about Libya... not Der Spiegel's photos. Stay on topic. :ty:
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That was "spot on" topic. What argument are you going to use when one of our airstrikes kills innocent civilians?

Aren't we just as bad as Quaddafi then?
 
Steinhauer said:
That was "spot on" topic. What argument are you going to use when one of our airstrikes kills innocent civilians?

Aren't we just as bad as Quaddafi then?
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what action do you propose after 9/11 attack? sit & do nothing... or retaliate?
 
Jiro said:
what action do you propose after 9/11 attack? sit & do nothing... or retaliate?
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The action I am suggesting that we do NOW, is let the Arab Coalition handle Quadaffi. He is more of a threat to the Arab States than he is to the United States.

WE were attacked on 9/11. We were not attacked by Libya.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-wright-says-coalition-against-gadhafi-wides/

Look man, I know Quaddafi is evil. If I had a bazooka and was standing outside of his tent, I would blow him away.

This is not our fight. We already have our fight. We need to win that one.
 
Steinhauer said:
The action I am suggesting that we do NOW, is let the Arab Coalition handle Quadaffi. He is more of a threat to the Arab States than he is to the United States.
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again - we are not at war with Libya. We are not combating against Libya on our accord. We are not doing such thing. We are enforcing UN's no-fly zone resolution and Libya was to cease its attack on civilians.

Steinhauer said:
WE were attacked on 9/11. We were not attacked by Libya.
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Let's put that Libya thing aside for one minute. We were attacked on 9/11. What do you propose as a response? retaliation?
 
Steinhauer said:
We already have our fight. We need to win that one.
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so you have no problem if one of our air-strikes killed innocent civilians during "our fight"?
 
Jiro said:
my answer is - it's collateral damage. mistakes happen. and no we are not just as bad as Gaddafi because we are not attacking civilians... Gaddafi is.

now it's your turn to answer my question. Do you have no problem if one of our air-strikes killed innocent civilians during "our fight"?
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I have a problem when innocent people are killed. You, however do not, as stated above in blue.

So Jiro, its ok when we do it, but not ok when Quadaffi does it?

Ohhhh ... I get it ... :roll:
 
Steinhauer said:
I have a problem when innocent people are killed. You, however do not, as stated above in blue.
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as usual - another delusional statement. Point to which post where I said I do not have a problem.

Steinhauer said:
So Jiro, its ok when we do it, but not ok when Quadaffi does it?

Ohhhh ... I get it ... :roll:
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You mean we target civilians like Gaddafi? :eek3: I guess you hate your uncle, grandfather, and anybody in armed forces because we murder civilians.

and why are you so full of contradiction?

Steinhauer said:
We already have our fight. We need to win that one.
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exactly how do we win that fight without accidentally killing civilians?
 
Jiro said:
as usual - another delusional statement. Point to which post where I said I do not have a problem.


You mean we target civilians like Gaddafi? :eek3: I guess you hate your uncle, grandfather, and anybody in armed forces because we murder civilians.

and why are you so full of contradiction?



exactly how do we win that fight without accidentally killing civilians?
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According to the magazine, the photos show soldiers from the 5th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, posing separately next to the corpse of Gul Mudin, an unarmed Afghan civilian killed by their unit on Jan. 15, 2010.
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It would certainly help if we didn't kill innocent civilians ON PURPOSE:

http://www.alldeaf.com/war-politica...itary-action-against-libya-5.html#post1787696


Why is Quadaffi's "collateral damage" more sinister than ours?


Morlock and Holmes have both been charged with murder in Mudin’s death. According to charging documents filed by Army criminal investigators, Mudin began walking toward the soldiers in the Maiwand district of Kandahar province. As the Afghan approached, Morlock threw a grenade on the ground, according to the documents, to create the illusion that the soldiers were under attack.

Holmes saw the grenade and fired his weapon at Mudin, according to charging documents. The grenade exploded, prompting other soldiers to open fire on the villager as well, killing him.
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Jiro said:
do you mean to tell me that we are now killing civilians like Gaddafi?

I think it's time you step away from AD and take a breather. Your posts are increasingly illogical and especially insulting to our fellow veterans.
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Ha! My fellow veterans feel the same way dude!

What planet are you from?

Maybe you should enlist and go over there.
 
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