4 Americans killed by Somali pirates

It's dragging on because we conducted the war in a weak and confused way (overall). There were some periods and some locations that were conducted with strength, and the troops on the ground are doing what they can within all the constraints that are put on them.

You know, these would never have happened if it wasn't for the CIA and the US government. After all, the CIA did kill the president of Iraq in order to bring Ba'ath Party to power. Not to mention that they also brought Saddam Hussein back from exile. Not to mention how they also backed Osama Bin Laden and his people in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets.

Eventually, they went against your country and caused hell for millions and millions of people in both countries.
 
That is not true! Black Americans could not travel freely right here in USA ! Did you forget about the 3 Freedom riders that when down south to during the civil rights movement. One Guy was Black and I believe the other 2 guy were Jewish they killed and the bodies was buried in field or farm.

Over the last couple centuries, it wasn't safe to be Oriental, Jewish, Black, Aboriginal and many more, the list goes on and on.
 
Camden is a crime-infested town in NJ.... with one of the worst crime rate in USA.

Should we defend it with strength by employing "Gestapo" method? bulldoze it like Israelis to start over?
I guess you weren't paying attention. I was talking about international relations.

Has Camden seceded from the Union?
 
That is not true! Black Americans could not travel freely right here in USA ! Did you forget about the 3 Freedom riders that when down south to during the civil rights movement. One Guy was Black and I believe the other 2 guy were Jewish they killed and the bodies was buried in field or farm.
I remember them well. However, what do their murders have to do with international relations? Mississippi was and is part of the United States.

They weren't just random "guys."

They were James Chaney, a local black Mississippian who was 21; Andrew Goodman, a 20-year-old New York college student; and Michael Schwerner, a social worker from New York’s Lower East Side who was 24 years old.

Their bodies were found buried in an earthen dam.
 
Jiro and Banjo,
How about the Soviet Union's 1956 Invasion of Hungary? the 1968 Invasion
of Czechoslovakia; and the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan? Will Yuri Andropov and Leonid Brezhnev be labeled as war criminals in historical terms? The independent _Military Balance_ noted there were 100 or so Soviet military advisers in Nicaragua in the 1980s. Should they all be charged for helping the Sandinistas in their war against the contras?
Don't forget thousands of contras also died in the name of freedom, something which did not exist in the Nicaraguan Revolution.
 
Jiro and Banjo,
How about the Soviet Union's 1956 Invasion of Hungary? the 1968 Invasion
of Czechoslovakia; and the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan? Will Yuri Andropov and Leonid Brezhnev be labeled as war criminals in historical terms? The independent _Military Balance_ noted there were 100 or so Soviet military advisers in Nicaragua in the 1980s. Should they all be charged for helping the Sandinistas in their war against the contras?
Don't forget thousands of contras also died in the name of freedom, something which did not exist in the Nicaraguan Revolution.

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Shoot pirates on sight?
(CNN) -- The U.S. Navy has warships in the seven seas to help ensure peaceful passage all over the world. Yet pirates such as the ones who killed four Americans Tuesday are terrorizing an ever-larger number of shipping lanes.

Since 2007, pirates have acted with considerable impunity. According to the International Maritime Bureau, "The number of pirate attacks against ships has risen every year for the last four years... Ships reported 445 attacks in 2010, up 10% from 2009. While 188 crew members were taken hostage in 2006, 1,050 were taken in 2009 and 1,181 in 2010."

According to a U.S. naval source, more than 200 other attacks a year have not been reported because such reporting "is bad for business." The ransom that pirates demand and get has increased from several hundred thousand to several million dollars per crew.

Above all, the pirates mock the notion that the U.S. is a superpower, as a bunch of young men, riding tiny boats, lightly armed, seem unstoppable.

One reason, we are told, is that because the oceans are so large, we have a hard time finding the pirates. One cannot but wonder, if all our satellites, AWACs, radar and sonar cannot help us locate a few boats, what we will do if agents of a foreign power, using similar boats only with stronger engines, attack our ships? Even more puzzling is, why do we need to find them? They regularly present themselves. After all, to take hostages, they must close in on ships.

All we need to do is declare that for ships on the high sea, a 300-yard radius around the vessels is a limited access zone. Anybody closing in farther without permission will be assumed to be hostile. First, warning shots will be fired across their bow; if this will not do, shoot to kill.


True, this means that merchant ships will need some armed marshals, as do many flights. However, given that the ships are tall and the pirates need to mount them from their small boats, a few armed guards can do the job.

Piracy has for centuries been considered a serious offense by most, if not all, states, and pirates were regularly killed or executed after, at most, a perfunctory hearing by the captain of the ship that captured them. Today, pirates are rarely confronted aggressively, and even when they have been caught, many have simply been released. As maritime law expert John Burnett refers to it, pirates are treated with a "catch-and-release philosophy that's usually reserved for trout."

For example, in May 2009, Portuguese forces found automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades and dynamite on the mother ship of pirates they had chased away from a German tanker. The Portuguese disarmed the pirates and set them free.

Canadian forces boarded a pirate vessel in April 2009, confiscated weapons and let the pirates go. In April 2009, Dutch forces set free pirates who had been holding hostages onboard a ship. In April 2010, U.S. naval forces captured 11 pirates, ensured that they did not have the ability to attack any ships, destroyed their mother ship and then released them.

The main reason for all this is that we are concerned -- about the pirates' rights. They are said to be criminals and not terrorists and hence should be brought to a civil court of law before they can be judged. However, collecting evidence on the high seas is difficult. The pirates often dump their weapons if they are about to be caught and then claim to be fishermen. Moreover, if they are brought to a country and found not guilty, they are said to have a right to seek asylum -- on the grounds that their country is an unsafe place to be.

The U.S. tried to farm out the trial of pirates to Kenya, but human rights activists questioned the fairness of the prosecutions. One NATO member claims that the army cannot go after pirates because they are criminals, and the police cannot go after them because they have no jurisdiction outside their respective homelands.

As I see it, pirates should be treated like terrorists. They do terrorize innocent civilians: plying their trade, shooting people like the four Americans just killed. They should be duly warned to stay away from ships on the high seas -- and that if they do not, they should be aware they can be shot on sight.
 
Jiro's Solution? Arm the ships with M2 Browning and problem solved! Now "LIKE" my post! :cool2:

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Did we ever read Canada's side TV news? We almost never hear anything from Canada's news. Are we missing something?
 
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I agree. Lord knows how much money they cost us. It irks me to see us paying the cost of having people rescued when it is their stupidity that got them into their jams in the first place.

I agree going out in the high seas with only bibles was an insane thing to do!
 
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