Wrong word order?

BecLak said:
It would also apply to some deafies like me who were raised orally and mainstreamed and are learning sign language later in life.
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True. Same here for me. Most deaf people think I am hearing when I sign. It is more indicative of your first language than your hearing status.
 
Daredevel7 said:
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okay okay, so should I have said people who learned ASL as their primary language instead of deaf people?
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Your last post made your point very clear I was emphasizing my agreement with you. You have articulated yourself well enough. :hug: and in answer to your question, yes, that is another way of putting it. :)
 
I'm glad that we all have come to mutual understanding :grouphug:
 
AlleyCat said:
It's interesting how conveniently it is forgotten that many hearing people have writing issues. I suppose that means that English wasn't their first language. So not true, because I'm surrounded by many in my real life where said writing issues are prevalent, and guess what? English IS their first language.
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Agree completely. It is amazing the number of incoming college freshman that have to take remedial writing courses because they are not able to write in a manner that would be expected.
 
AlleyCat said:
Daredevel, No. It is not blatantly obvious that it is a deaf thing. It is blatantly obvious it is an educational and family issue. There are scads of us here on this forum that have been deaf since birth, and do we write poorly? Do I? Does PFH? Does Shel? No. There are plenty of hearing people (maybe you haven't been around any or enough that have poor writing skills) of all ages, races, disabilities who do not write well. Is it because of their race, age, disability? No. It's a grasp of the language and that comes from how it was learned - in school and at home. It's insulting to assume that just because we are deaf that we are likely to have poor writing skills.
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Well said.
 
deafgal001 said:
If it is true, I would see it, but I haven't.

even several of my good friends (hearing friends,,, so this is not about deafness) told me they were diagnosed with ADD or ADHD, and they write alot to me. I have not seen a single writing issue from them. One of them never been on ritalin or any medication (her parents believe it is just a personality quirk as well) and she writes just fine.

I think ADD is like deafness... the real issue is hidden under deafness or ADD
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Agreed. The impact of ADD or ADHD on writing would possibly be difficulty with the flow of the writing from distraction issues.
 
BecLak said:
May I also add this note: I have noticed there is a common mistake among the Hearing that signed languages take on the grammar and syntax of the spoken language in the country. They are often ignorant to the fact that signed languages have their own grammar and syntax, as to a similar mistake in thinking that sign language is universal (the same in every country) For example: ASL, Auslan, BSL etc would use English grammar and syntax; TSL (Thai Sign Language) would use the grammar and syntax of spoken Thai etc; French, German, Chinese etc.
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Agree with you completely. All spoken languages use a linear syntax because the auditory centers in the brain process stimuli in a linear manner. Signed languages take on a syntax based on time and spatial orientation, as the visual centers process information in that way. These processing differences were not considered by those attempting to MCEs to educate deaf kids, and is the main reason that, by and large, they have been unsuccessful.
 
jillio said:
Agree with you completely. All spoken languages use a linear syntax because the auditory centers in the brain process stimuli in a linear manner. Signed languages take on a syntax based on time and spatial orientation, as the visual centers process information in that way. These processing differences were not considered by those attempting to MCEs to educate deaf kids, and is the main reason that, by and large, they have been unsuccessful.
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So true, this is what I have acquired in knowledge about sign language since being on AD. I have also picked up that you used your peripheral vision when conversing in sign language. Since discovering that, it has been a lot easier to follow the conversation. :dance2:
 
It's not a deaf thing

Hello,

I am hearing, but I don't think the word order issue or improper use of grammar is because someone is deaf.

A bit about me, I am currently employed within the insurance industry and everyday, I speak with people from all over the world, but mostly those who live within the US.

The biggest complaint from my co-workers is the understanding of the southern dialect, for example...How old is you...instead of how old are you...street = skreet...her walk-ded down de skreet instead of she walked down the street...rit dere = right there...I only done what you done told me...instead of I only did what you told me to do. Due to this issue many of my co-workers refuse to handle calls from the southern states or they are really rude to clients who reside in these areas. And...don't get me started with interpreter calls for Non-English speakers.

It's totally opposite for me...I love the southern states and I love interpreter calls. I guess in my mind, I feel like no matter the issue whether hearing or deaf...all people want to be understood...so as long as you can understand what your friend is trying to convey to you, let her be.
 
blaqueinque said:
Hello,

I am hearing, but I don't think the word order issue or improper use of grammar is because someone is deaf.

A bit about me, I am currently employed within the insurance industry and everyday, I speak with people from all over the world, but mostly those who live within the US.

The biggest complaint from my co-workers is the understanding of the southern dialect, for example...How old is you...instead of how old are you...street = skreet...her walk-ded down de skreet instead of she walked down the street...rit dere = right there...I only done what you done told me...instead of I only did what you told me to do. Due to this issue many of my co-workers refuse to handle calls from the southern states or they are really rude to clients who reside in these areas. And...don't get me started with interpreter calls for Non-English speakers.

It's totally opposite for me...I love the southern states and I love interpreter calls. I guess in my mind, I feel like no matter the issue whether hearing or deaf...all people want to be understood...so as long as you can understand what your friend is trying to convey to you, let her be.
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I wonder where those calls are coming from? I lived in the south for 20 years, and while they have a definate dialect, I have never heard anyone speak like that.
 
jillio said:
I wonder where those calls are coming from? I lived in the south for 20 years, and while they have a definate dialect, I have never heard anyone speak like that.
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REALLY? I'm surprised...

Actually, maybe I'm not. My friend does speak somewhat like that. I have definitely heard her say 'I got my hair did."

However, she did tell me that the way she speaks with her family is drastically different from the way she speaks with her friends/coworkers.

For example, she would ask her friends/coworkers "do you want to?" but with her family she asks "Yon't to?" or something like that.

We often play around with the idea of inviting me to her family gatherings, because I can't understand those phrases at all, and it would force them to speak English more proper. :)
 
blaqueinque said:
Hello,

I am hearing, but I don't think the word order issue or improper use of grammar is because someone is deaf.

A bit about me, I am currently employed within the insurance industry and everyday, I speak with people from all over the world, but mostly those who live within the US.

The biggest complaint from my co-workers is the understanding of the southern dialect, for example...How old is you...instead of how old are you...street = skreet...her walk-ded down de skreet instead of she walked down the street...rit dere = right there...I only done what you done told me...instead of I only did what you told me to do. Due to this issue many of my co-workers refuse to handle calls from the southern states or they are really rude to clients who reside in these areas. And...don't get me started with interpreter calls for Non-English speakers.

It's totally opposite for me...I love the southern states and I love interpreter calls. I guess in my mind, I feel like no matter the issue whether hearing or deaf...all people want to be understood...so as long as you can understand what your friend is trying to convey to you, let her be.
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I've lived in South Carolina since 1978, and in the Panhandle of Florida for eight years prior to that, and that "dialect" doesn't sound familiar to me.
 
Reba said:
I've lived in South Carolina since 1978, and in the Panhandle of Florida for eight years prior to that, and that "dialect" doesn't sound familiar to me.
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perhaps..... Mississippi area?

"Southern" area... quite too broad.
 
Daredevel7 said:
REALLY? I'm surprised...

Actually, maybe I'm not. My friend does speak somewhat like that. I have definitely heard her say 'I got my hair did."

However, she did tell me that the way she speaks with her family is drastically different from the way she speaks with her friends/coworkers.

For example, she would ask her friends/coworkers "do you want to?" but with her family she asks "Yon't to?" or something like that.

We often play around with the idea of inviting me to her family gatherings, because I can't understand those phrases at all, and it would force them to speak English more proper. :)
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Hearing people also code switch within communities and cultures.
 
Daredevel7 said:
REALLY? I'm surprised...

Actually, maybe I'm not. My friend does speak somewhat like that. I have definitely heard her say 'I got my hair did."

However, she did tell me that the way she speaks with her family is drastically different from the way she speaks with her friends/coworkers.

For example, she would ask her friends/coworkers "do you want to?" but with her family she asks "Yon't to?" or something like that.

We often play around with the idea of inviting me to her family gatherings, because I can't understand those phrases at all, and it would force them to speak English more proper. :)
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Well, yeah...the y'ont to is a dialectical difference. A condensation of "You want to." And I have heard certain ethnic groups use "I got my hair did" in the midwest and even, Gawd forbid, in the northwest!:giggle: But I did not hear the kind of speech that was portrayed in the post I was responding to. That was a bit more than dialect.
 
Reba said:
I've lived in South Carolina since 1978, and in the Panhandle of Florida for eight years prior to that, and that "dialect" doesn't sound familiar to me.
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I lived in Tennesse for 20 year, and traveled extensively through the southern states. Doesn't sound familiar to me, either.
 
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