Poll: Should this country change in a specific sense?

Away with the negative reinforcements?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 50.0%

  • No

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 1 12.5%
  • Total voters
    8
  • Poll closed .
Glenn said:
I don't think she is doing that at all (holier than thou). Given her background and training and experiences, what are the odds she knows what she is talking about?

She is spending time trying to explain things. She could be doing something else instead.
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Thank you, Glenn. I would think that most people would like to have the correct information.
 
Glenn said:
Maybe because the victims of child support are ... children, who are a vulnerable group of people who depend on others to look out for their best interests.

Victimizing children is something different than victimizing adults. Or at least that seems to be the impression people have.
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It costs the taxpayers money to incarnate the fraudster. The victims won't benefit from that. Instead, the fraudster should be forced to pay for his crime... literally.
 
looks like we've got an interesting debate about psychology in this thread...

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let us ask ourselves.... Why is Psychology considered the lesser of the sciences? It is the least fundamental, but is it not the most relevant to our day to day lives? :hmm:
 
Glenn said:
The numbers are too big. How could it be done? Look at frauds committed at Enron and WorldCom and others. It's money gone.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/t...ectors/banking_and_finance/article5346211.ece
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So would you rather pay thousands and thousands ($50,000-$100,000, maybe even more) of taxpayers' money to keep these prisoners incarnated?

How is that justice when they end up costing the taxpayers even more money just to keep them in jail?

I'm speaking of fraudsters in general, not corporate fraudsters. If you defraud someone, you should pay the victims back what you stole from them.

If you don't pay the victims, you go back to jail. Just like the deadbeat fathers.

I don't see why they can't give that a try.
 
Banjo said:
So would you rather pay thousands and thousands ($50,000-$100,000, maybe even more) of taxpayers' money to keep these prisoners incarnated?

How is that justice when they end up costing the taxpayers even more money just to keep them in jail?

I'm speaking of fraudsters in general, not corporate fraudsters. If you defraud someone, you should pay the victims back what you stole from them.

If you don't pay the victims, you go back to jail. Just like the deadbeat fathers.

I don't see why they can't give that a try.
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Oh I know it's a flawed system.

Were it up to me, things would be quite different. :cool2:
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOaWAzD5anc]YouTube - CJ system[/ame]

Hope this clears up any confusion. ;)
 
I think the only people who need to go to prison are those who murdered. The rest should do community service.

Or we can do the muslim's way, 100 lashes and be done and over with.
 
Jiro said:
looks like we've got an interesting debate about psychology in this thread...

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let us ask ourselves.... Why is Psychology considered the lesser of the sciences? It is the least fundamental, but is it not the most relevant to our day to day lives? :hmm:
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I will take a stab

1) Numbers. It doesn't have numbers....people like numbers with their science.

2) Credibility.....This is an area where a few far out theories but a few people taint the entire image. Much like Christianity being tainted by Pat Robertson

3) Belief.....People like to hate bad. When attempts are made to explain why someone robbed a bank people don't like it. Does it really matter that a person robbed a bank because their dad left when they were 3?

4)Excuses. It appears everybody today has something wrong with them. The excuses get tiresome. It also prevents people who really have issues from getting the treatment and attention they need.

5) Results. although psychology and psychiatry can be beneficial, I have seen many that came out of treatment worse. One friend was a really fun person to be around...while going through a rough patch she decided she was depressed. Went to several appointments for treatment...changed Dr's and went to more. Now she is a basket case. No fun to be around at all. I cringe we she sends a text. All of her friends do. It's like hanging out with a rain cloud. We try to be supportive though

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I think psychology is great but way overdone. I think people are growing tired of it......at least as it is perceived.
 
posts from hell said:
Including sex offenders?
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If they murdered, yeah.

As far as being sex offenders, I think it depends who should be instituted or jailed and who shouldn't. Many people lives have been damaged because of sex offenders and rapes. Now if they were just dating someone who happened to be a minor but once that minor turns 18, it wouldn't be a big deal because the age gap isn't all that huge. I was dating someone who was 7 years older than me when I was 17 going on 18.

Now if you have sick man who molest his children, then that's a different story. You can't turn back the clock. The damage have been done. This goes for rape too.
 
TXgolfer said:
Child molesters don't need jail....let them pick up trash at the park.:lol:


*SOMEBODY HELP!!! the sarcasm is so thick I am stuck to the floor*
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lol

BTW - my video post basically says the negative reinforcement i am talking about occurs after the person does the time. The society we are in is very unforgiving. So, from the transition from the prison systems to "real world" is very daunting. So daunting that the offender thinks that the prison looks like the lesser of two evils, and decides to go back.

And the company i respect for this, and probably the only pro of this company i know of - which is walmart. they hire murderers. so, when you're in a walmart, you see the workers, you have no idea what their background is, but in a nutshell you accept them... without judging. ;)
 
posts from hell said:
lol

BTW - my video post basically says the negative reinforcement i am talking about occurs after the person does the time. The society we are in is very unforgiving. So, from the transition from the prison systems to "real world" is very daunting. So daunting that the offender thinks that the prison looks like the lesser of two evils, and decides to go back.

And the company i respect for this, and probably the only pro of this company i know of - which is walmart. they hire murderers. so, when you're in a walmart, you see the workers, you have no idea what their background is, but in a nutshell you accept them... without judging. ;)
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Thx for the translate.....I agree, once the time is served they should get a fair shake. Many of my employees had trouble before they worked for me.
 
PFH, isn't the problem with today's prison is that they aren't rehabilatative places anymore. I watched a one hour show the other night on NG about Pelican Bay, a prison in CA wherein those placed there are there for the sole purpose of being worse or the same as when they went in. Of course, this is a special place where they are locked up 22 1/2 hrs a day...these are hard core guys.

This extreme example aside, do you think most prisons are good at rehabilitating?
 
Tousi said:
PFH, isn't the problem with today's prison is that they aren't rehabilatative places anymore. I watched a one hour show the other night on NG about Pelican Bay, a prison in CA wherein those placed there are there for the sole purpose of being worse or the same as when they went in. Of course, this is a special place where they are locked up 22 1/2 hrs a day...these are hard core guys.

This extreme example aside, do you think most prisons are good at rehabilitating?
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Not at all.
None of them are.

Norway wouldnt extradite a wanted offender to the USA because our prisons violated the Human Rights thing..

In your extreme example, locking them up, what do they learn? How to be harder-core without being detected the next time.

Criminals teaches eachother how to be better the next time around in the prisons. The friend I speak of here that goes to prisons often -- on his last release he was telling me all sorts of stuff, he had to vent, but boy, sure did I learn a lot!
 
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