Poll: Should this country change in a specific sense?

Away with the negative reinforcements?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 50.0%

  • No

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 1 12.5%
  • Total voters
    8
  • Poll closed .
jillio said:
Then exactly what behavior are you attempting to extinquish in your poll? You ask about whether people agree that American needs more negative reinforcement. Negative reinforcement in order to increase what behavior? Your question is too vague.

Likewise, the whole thread is devoted to a discussion of punishment, which is not negative reinforcement at all.
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The whole thread is not a representation of my thinking.

And wow, I have never heard of the word: "extinquish".. Can you clarify what that is?

That aside... I'm talking about the general criminal behavior - I feel that everyone can improve, and fit in society just. I'm sure with your background you already know that can be done.
 
posts from hell said:
The whole thread is not a representation of my thinking.

And wow, I have never heard of the word: "extinquish".. Can you clarify what that is?

That aside... I'm talking about the general criminal behavior - I feel that everyone can improve, and fit in society just. I'm sure with your background you already know that can be done.
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Extinquish = reduce or get rid of.

I think change is always possible for all humans. But one does not change criminal behavior with the use of negative reinforcement.
 
In Negative Reinforcement a particular behavior is strengthened by the consequence of the stopping or avoiding of a negative condition.
e.g. Here are two examples of Negative Reinforcement:

1. A rat is placed in a cage and immediately receives a mild electrical shock on its feet. The shock is a negative condition for the rat. The rat presses a bar and the shock stops. The rat receives another shock, presses the bar again, and again the shock stops. The rat's behavior of pressing the bar is strengthened by the consequence of the stopping of the shock.

2. Driving in heavy traffic is a negative condition for most of us. You leave home earlier than usual one morning, and don't run into heavy traffic. You leave home earlier again the next morning and again you avoid heavy traffic. Your behavior of leaving home earlier is strengthened by the consequence of the avoidance of heavy traffic.

c o n c e p t The concept of Negative Reinforcement is difficult to teach and learn because of the word negative. Negative Reinforcement is often confused with Punishment. They are very different, however.

Negative Reinforcement strengthens a behavior because a negative condition is stopped or avoided as a consequence of the behavior.

Punishment, on the other hand, weakens a behavior because a negative condition is introduced or experienced as a consequence of the behavior.
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What is Negative Reinforcement?
 
jillio said:
Extinquish = reduce or get rid of.

I think change is always possible for all humans. But one does not change criminal behavior with the use of negative reinforcement.
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You mean "Extinguish"? If so, I understand now. (Karma's a bitch.)

Now, exactly my point. My opinion is that too much negative reinforcement increases the chances of the offender re-offending.

So, why not rehab them, instead of going to prisons to "solve all our issues"?
 
posts from hell said:
If you feel so confused, go ahead, be the intelligent one, help to clarify?
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From my notes used in teaching Psych 101; lecture on operant conditioning:

Positive reinforcement consists of giving a reward, such as food, gold stars, money, praise, or playing with a child. Negative reinforcement consists of taking away something that the individual does not like (known as an aversive event), such as a loud noise. Negative reinforcement is sometimes confused with punishment. However, they are different. Punishment suppresses a behavior by bringing on an aversive event (such as spanking a child or giving an electric shock to an animal), or by withdrawing a positive event (such as watching television). Negative reinforcement encourages repetition of a behavior by removing an aversive event. When an older baby signals a wet diaper, removal of the diaper encourages the baby to signal the next time the diaper is wet.

Reinforcement is most effective when it immediately follows a behavior. If a response is no longer reinforced, it will eventually be extinquished. (return to its baseline level).
 
jillio said:
From my notes used in teaching Psych 101; lecture on operant conditioning:

Positive reinforcement consists of giving a reward, such as food, gold stars, money, praise, or playing with a child. Negative reinforcement consists of taking away something that the individual does not like (known as an aversive event), such as a loud noise. Negative reinforcement is sometimes confused with punishment. However, they are different. Punishment suppresses a behavior by bringing on an aversive event (such as spanking a child or giving an electric shock to an animal), or by withdrawing a positive event (such as watching television). Negative reinforcement encourages repetition of a behavior by removing an aversive event. When an older baby signals a wet diaper, removal of the diaper encourages the baby to signal the next time the diaper is wet.

Reinforcement is most effective when it immediately follows a behavior. If a response is no longer reinforced, it will eventually be extinquished. (return to its baseline level).
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Alright... Now, clarify my question and statements, will cha?
 
posts from hell said:
You mean "Extinguish"? If so, I understand now. (Karma's a bitch.)

Now, exactly my point. My opinion is that too much negative reinforcement increases the chances of the offender re-offending.

So, why not rehab them, instead of going to prisons to "solve all our issues"?
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But, you obviously still don't understand the concepts of operant conditioning. Exactly what negative reinforcement are you referring to that decreases the chance of recidivism?
 
jillio said:
But, you obviously still don't understand the concepts of operant conditioning. Exactly what negative reinforcement are you referring to that decreases the chance of recidivism?
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Like I said, you're the intelligent one, contribute something. ;) Again, you're being the "Holier than thou" one.

If you think I said "decrease" Read again.
 
jillio said:
You must clarify your own question and statements. No one can do that for you.:roll: To date, it is still unclear what you are asking in this poll.
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Okay, maybe for you, but at least we have people here with common sense that gets the gist of what I mean
 
posts from hell said:
Like I said, you're the intelligent one, contribute something. ;) Again, you're being the "Holier than thou" one.

If you think I said "decrease" Read again.
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I have contributed much.

And that is the whole point. You still don't get the concept.
 
posts from hell said:
Like I said, you're the intelligent one, contribute something. ;) Again, you're being the "Holier than thou" one.

If you think I said "decrease" Read again.
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I don't think she is doing that at all (holier than thou). Given her background and training and experiences, what are the odds she knows what she is talking about?

She is spending time trying to explain things. She could be doing something else instead.
 
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