Angry Parents Suing Calif. Schls. Over Mandatory Gay-Friendly Classes

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

And their gay parents share their sex lives with their children who in turn share that information with their playmates? That doesn't make sense.

I think he means... as in:

"Why do I have two daddies? No one else does," or "why do I have two mommies? No one else does."

 

[Reba]

and irresponsible parents that don't monitor what is on TV. Kids pick it up and start talking about it with their peers.

At a BBQ this summer I was talking to a set of parents and they mentioned their daughter has been caught watching stuff like "the L Word". Not the type of programing a 9 year old should be watching... parents really need to learn to block channels. adult locking controls are a good thing...

Yes, it's disgusting what some parents allow their children to watch.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

You're the one having the perverted thoughts, not me. I didn't say anything about their sex lives being discussed in details.

All it takes is for the child to say that s/he has two fathers or two mothers. That'll prompt any child to ask questions.

To put it in equivalent in Deaf culture... for analogy:

At Capital EX, I was with someone and there was a signing family. He was with a few nephews, so he bulked at how stupid people are for signing instead of speaking when his nephews asked why they were signing.

Needless to say, I left that prick behind and introduced myself to the family instead and his nephews followed. I didn't correct him, I just up and walked up to the family to be part of the conversation.

Addendum: So it is the same thing. Children will ask when they see other gay parents, and parents will put in their own comments without properly addressing the question in a neutral format.

 

[Maria]

So, does that mean that they want that "teaching" to let the kindergardners to know that it is OKAY to try gay/lesbian themselves as if, they were curious to try ? What happens to their "innocence" and " moral " ? By teaching them is to pollute their young minds. It's wrong of them to tarnish their " clean " minds. It's not necessary for them to teach young children about "sex" issues.

I am more concerned about them settin' up the "co-ed" bathrooms for young children to share, if some young children who are trannies/or shemales.

Remember, in Europe/England, they allow children who are at the age of 7 and up to chose their sex preference by sex-change through surgery ? I am not sure, if I read about this somewhere in this AD.

 

[Reba]

You're the one having the perverted thoughts, not me. I didn't say anything about their sex lives being discussed in details.

Um, no. This is the original question and answer:

Me: "If they want to keep people's sex lives private "behind closed doors" then why bring it up in elementary school? Kids are perfectly happy in kindergarten without knowing about the sex lives of adults."

Shel: "Kids are learning about it at a much much younger age through their friends."

Shel said that kids were learning about the sex lives of adults from their friends. That why I asked how their friends know about the sex lives of adults.

All it takes is for the child to say that s/he has two fathers or two mothers. That'll prompt any child to ask questions.

So what kind of answer is the child giving to his or her friends?

 

[Banjo]

So what kind of answer is the child giving to his or her friends?

Ask the kid, not me.

 

[shel90]

You're the one having the perverted thoughts, not me. I didn't say anything about their sex lives being discussed in details.

All it takes is for the child to say that s/he has two fathers or two mothers. That'll prompt any child to ask questions.

Yes, the teachings doesn't have to go into the graphic details of the sex lives of the GLBT community. Just a simple lesson on families and how not every family is the typical American nuclear family of the 50s. Just teach them diversity and accept people who are different from them.

Sex is a whole another topic and more appropriate for older children.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

So, does that mean that they want that "teaching" to let the kindergardners to know that it is OKAY to try gay/lesbian themselves as if, they were curious to try ? What happens to their "innocence" and " moral " ? By teaching them is to pollute their young minds. It's wrong of them to tarnish their " clean " minds. It's not necessary for them to teach young children about "sex" issues.

* sighs *

Another ad hoc. Teaching children about a new family structures (two fathers, two mothers) does not correlate with educating people with experimentation as you implied.

 

[Reba]

You need a definition? Discuss = part of a scheduled class curriculum

That doesn't answer my question. By "discuss" do you mean the teacher would tell the class which kinds of sexual behavior are right or wrong? What kind of format would this discussion be? What kind of curriculum?

"Discussion" is a pretty broad term.

Well, reading between the lines; are you saying it GLBT is wrong? What do you tell your kids?

I am saying that sexual relations outside of the marriage of one woman and one man is wrong.

I am NOT saying that those who disagree with me should be called names, bullied, beat up, or hated.

My "kid" is 36 years old. When she was little the question didn't come up.

Hate is not the Christian way, is it?

No, it isn't.

I don't know your stance on the question of GLBT. If I seem uncertain on your point of view, that is why.I don't know your stance on the question of GLBT. If I seem uncertain on your point of view, that is why.

OK

 

[Banjo]

My "kid" is 36 years old. When she was little the question didn't come up.

Because it was a different world back then. There were such families, but they were pretty discreet and even illegal to be gay in some places too as well. It was a taboo to even bring up the discussion of it.

 

[shel90]

Who decides that sexual relationships outside of the marriage is wrong? Pls don't tell me it is God because not everyone believes in God.

 

[Reba]

...Addendum: So it is the same thing. Children will ask when they see other gay parents, and parents will put in their own comments without properly addressing the question in a neutral format.

Not every topic should be neutral. Parents are expected to pass down their values and beliefs to their children.

 

[Reba]

Who decides that sexual relationships outside of the marriage is wrong? Pls don't tell me it is God because not everyone believes in God.

Then you don't want the answer.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Who decides that sexual relationships outside of the marriage is wrong? Pls don't tell me it is God because not everyone believes in God.

Um... sexual relationships outside of marriage? Okay, you just threw my brain into a twitch.

Do you means the traditional coupling: one man, one woman? Because when you said "sexual relationships" it brings up the idea of external promiscuity, which occur in heterosexual relationships as well. In which, I do disapprove of relationships outside of any monogamous bonds. In which case, if adults are not mature enough to address the idea of breaking the monogamous bond by committing adultery, then they shouldn't be married in the first place! I am sorry, casual relationships and group relationships I may not comment on since it is not my place to say anything about it despite the fact it is against my morals, but I will be outright offended by infidelity.

Now if you means "same-sex" relationships... I have no problem with the actual relationship, but I am not really enjoying the upheaval effect it is having on society.

Please choose your wording more carefully... "sexual relationships" imply sexual activities, not social bonds.

 

[yizuman]

Yizuman, teen pregnancies happened in your mother's generation. The girls were promptly sent off to have the babies elsewhere. It was all hush hush. The girls were forced to give up their babies for adoption. Of course, none of this really mattered because girls weren't expected to go to college or have post-secondary education.

If shame and humiliation is your kind of birth control, then I question whether you have issues with women. The whole slut v Madonna thing. Women are humans, not something that you can separate into stereotypical groups. Who do you think is impregnating these girls? They can't get pregnant alone.

I agree that eliminating teen pregnancy is the goal. I didn't get pregnant because I had goals. I planned to pursue my education. Let's give the girls some inspiration and goals.

I don't have problems with women in general, good lord no. I didn't marry my wife with that kind of thinking.

But you're right about the adoption thing, that did happen back in those days. In fact, still happens to some today.

But here's the thing, it's been my observation that teen pregnancy is treated as if it's no big deal. Girls yak about baby clothes and all that stuff that adults should be talking about, not teens. So it's treated as if it's all normal, when it shouldn't be.

Teen girls aren't emotionally ready (IMO) to handle the consequences when it comes to having a child. Plus it hinders alot of things such as schooling and a future education in college.

Plus, in some cases, teens are giving birth and dumping them in trash cans or something. Remember the prom queen episode? She gave birth a baby in the bathroom during the prom, strangled the baby and dumped the baby in the trash can. Then went about her business like nothing happened. These things do happen, not all, but tragically so.

We try to keep telling teens to zip up/keep their legs closed, but some don't listen. Too many teens think nothing will happen to them.

Nonetheless, regarding the topic, I just don't think it's appropriate to be teaching kids at a kindergarten level because they're too young to be understanding or comprehending these type of things. If they're gonna do this sort of thing, let it be say, Junior high.

Yiz

 

[shel90]

Um... sexual relationships outside of marriage? Okay, you just threw my brain into a twitch.

Do you means the traditional coupling: one man, one woman? Because when you said "sexual relationships" it brings up the idea of external promiscuity, which occur in heterosexual relationships as well. In which, I do disapprove of relationships outside of any monogamous bonds. In which case, if adults are not mature enough to address the idea of breaking the monogamous bond by committing adultery, then they shouldn't be married in the first place! I am sorry, casual relationships and group relationships I may not comment on since it is not my place to say anything about it despite the fact it is against my morals, but I will be outright offended by infidelity.

Now if you means "same-sex" relationships... I have no problem with the actual relationship, but I am not really enjoying the upheaval effect it is having on society.

Please choose your wording more carefully... "sexual relationships" imply sexual activities, not social bonds.

Reba said it. Since gay marriage is not allowed, gay people are having sex outside of marriages. That's the view I am getting.

Besides, if one doesn't want to have sex before getting married or while being single, more power to them. I support that but to determine that it is wrong for others other than themselves..that I have a problem with.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Not every topic should be neutral. Parents are expected to pass down their values and beliefs to their children.

Most children have no concept of sex what is, unless they were abused. It remind me of the Cat in the Hat movie where kids never saw anything wrong with it, but parents were offended by the inside jokes and innuendos.

It's like the movie Shrek, people were offended by Pinocchio wearing panties and said it was immoral for children to see it, but if you ask any child they would just go: "Haha! Pinocchio is wearing underwear in public!" The cross-dressing thing never really occurred to them.

Kids don't view the world as the same as adults do until they hit puberty.

So if a kid ask why someone have two daddies, just say "some people don't have moms." End of discussion. At least that how my family dealt with same-sex relationships.

Reba said it. Since gay marriage is not allowed, gay people are having sex outside of marriages. That's the view I am getting.

Besides, if one doesn't want to have sex before getting married or while being single, more power to them. I support that but to determine that it is wrong for others other than themselves..that I have a problem with.

Hence why I don't comment on other people's activities unless it's outright infidelity. Although I don't agree how people tie in adultery with other aspects of life though because that should remain a part of their private life-- not for everyone else to gossip about.

 

[sallylou]

Parents are supposed to teach kids their values but children often reject them. I think that this is what parents are afraid of.

 

[yizuman]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5KeO10vjXs]YouTube - Sexy Ed in School - Is Kindergarten too Early?[/ame]

Ok remember Jocelyn Elders? Former Surgeon General? During the Clinton Administration?

This is 2 years ago, she agreed that sex education should be taught in kindergarten and up.

Not only that, back in the 1990s, when Clinton was in office and she was appointed as Surgeon General, she suggested that female kindergartens should be put on birth control! She also suggested that male kindergartens should be taught about masturbation. KINDERGARTEN!!! You can't make stuff up like this.

Glad she was fired a week after she suggested that drugs be legalized and her son got busted for dealing drugs a week later and got sentenced to 10 years in prison and failed the appeals.

Yiz

 

[deafskeptic]

I don't have problems with women in general, good lord no. I didn't marry my wife with that kind of thinking.

But you're right about the adoption thing, that did happen back in those days. In fact, still happens to some today.

But here's the thing, it's been my observation that teen pregnancy is treated as if it's no big deal. Girls yak about baby clothes and all that stuff that adults should be talking about, not teens. So it's treated as if it's all normal, when it shouldn't be.

Teen girls aren't emotionally ready (IMO) to handle the consequences when it comes to having a child. Plus it hinders alot of things such as schooling and a future education in college.

Plus, in some cases, teens are giving birth and dumping them in trash cans or something. Remember the prom queen episode? She gave birth a baby in the bathroom during the prom, strangled the baby and dumped the baby in the trash can. Then went about her business like nothing happened. These things do happen, not all, but tragically so.

We try to keep telling teens to zip up/keep their legs closed, but some don't listen. Too many teens think nothing will happen to them.

Nonetheless, regarding the topic, I just don't think it's appropriate to be teaching kids at a kindergarten level because they're too young to be understanding or comprehending these type of things. If they're gonna do this sort of thing, let it be say, Junior high.

Yiz

Personally If I had a teenage daughter, I would try to prevent her from becoming pregant. And though I'd want her to stay a virgin through out high school, I'm also a realist. So then if I found out she's getting it on with her bf, I would make sure she has BC. She does not need a baby while she's in high school. Education comes first.

Kindergarten is fine for sex ed. But there is no need to get into explict stuff at this age and I'd save that for junior high. Sex ed for grade school should have simple discussions about gays, child molestors and straight or bisexuals.

As they get older, there is no way you can protect them from from learning about gays. It is much better to get the information from some teacher in school than to learn stuff from misinformed friends.