Angry Parents Suing Calif. Schls. Over Mandatory Gay-Friendly Classes

[deafskeptic]

How true. My grandmother told me of such stories. It wasn't as uncommon as people were led to believe.

I remember hearing about baby farms that occurred in the 19th and early 20th century. It didn't change till the sex revolution of the 50s and the 60s.

 

[sallylou]

Those pics of the baby from the baby farm are so sad. Many mothers were forced to give up babies by their own family. Many of these women never got over it.

Selling children continues in poor countries like Guatemala. Poor women are tricked into giving up their babies or babies are snatched from their mothers for adoption to Americans. Congress has tried to address this by requiring DNA tests of the mother relinquishing the baby and the baby. I doubt that the legislation has helped much.

 

[deafskeptic]

Those pics of the baby from the baby farm are so sad. Many mothers were forced to give up babies by their own family. Many of these women never got over it.

Selling children continues in poor countries like Guatemala. Poor women are tricked into giving up their babies or babies are snatched from their mothers for adoption to Americans. Congress has tried to address this by requiring DNA tests of the mother relinquishing the baby and the baby. I doubt that the legislation has helped much.

I feel sad just thinking about those mothers torn from their babies and for those who were forced to give up their babies.

 

[deafdyke]

Why should those who object be forced to accept this kind of teaching for their children. Its totally wrong for those people with moral principles and traditional values to have accept this

Oh give me a break. ALL this is, is an anti-bullying inititave informing kids that derogatory terms for GLB people shouldn't be used, to make fun of them.
This has NOTHING to do with sex education or whatever. This has a conservative spin on it........." Oh nos...they are indocterating our kids!"
No.....they are simply trying to inform little kids that the terms fag or whatever aren't good words to use.
It would be like ...............say for example if there was a derogatory term for Christian. Imagine if that was a commonly used slur heard in schools. An anti-bullying outreach program focused on trying to get rid of that word would simply be informing kids that wasn't a good word. It wouldn't involve witnessing or religious education.

 

[kokonut]

Make it neutral then. Called "Anti-bullying Program" or something to that effect that covers all potential topics under unacceptable bullying and name callings.

 

[Reba]

Make it neutral then. Called "Anti-bullying Program" or something to that effect that covers all potential topics under unacceptable bullying and name callings.

I agree. If the goal is preventing bullying in school, then don't allow bullying and name calling in school. There is no reason to discuss sexual issues with elementary kids as a means of preventing bullying.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

agreed

 

[Reba]

That is what I cant wrap my head around. Why are people so threatened by how people live their lives behind closed doors? It just makes me disgusted.

If they want to keep people's sex lives private "behind closed doors" then why bring it up in elementary school? Kids are perfectly happy in kindergarten without knowing about the sex lives of adults.

 

[saywhatkid]

Just curious; at what age would it be acceptable to discuss the topic of non-heterosexual orientation? Are we talking 10 or 13 or 16? Are the anti-GLBT class people against any discussion of this topic in schools, or just for early schooling? I can see the heavy dissention for teaching this to first graders, and I understand that. My question is, would there ever be an appropriate time for this discussion in school? Certainly they will catch on to the words Gay and Lesbian and GLBT at some point, and perhaps ask Mom or Dad what's up. What do the anti-GLBT class people say to their children when asked what this is all about? Do you say "Those queers are sick. What they are doing is wrong" or are you objective? When "Johnny" takes the permission slip back to school with the NO circled, what opinions does he form on his own, while the others are having this discussion? Or is this another of those head in the sand, if you're not like me I hate you things?

 

[shel90]

If they want to keep people's sex lives private "behind closed doors" then why bring it up in elementary school? Kids are perfectly happy in kindergarten without knowing about the sex lives of adults.

Kids are learning about it at a much much younger age through their friends.

I agree with Deafdyke..it is more of just exposing them to diversity rather than what goes on behind closed doors.

It is the anti-gay teachings by the parents is what I don't understand.

 

[Reba]

Kids are learning about it at a much much younger age through their friends.

Where do their friends learn these things?

I agree with Deafdyke..it is more of just exposing them to diversity rather than what goes on behind closed doors.

"Diversity" in itself is neither good nor bad; it depends on what kind of diversity.

It is the anti-gay teachings by the parents is what I don't understand.

What do you mean by "anti-gay teachings?"

 

[Banjo]

Where do their friends learn these things?

Because some children happen to have parents who are gay. That's how.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

It is the anti-gay teachings by the parents is what I don't understand.

Not surprising really.

For the mainstream, homosexuality was unthinkable. Like when the LGBT used disco music as their platform to make themselves aware, a lot of people honestly didn't know homosexuality existed according to many of the manuscripts of interviews back in that era.

So I am not really surprised it's still lingering after 30 years. Even here in Canada, people get perplexed why gay people want to marry because they don't understand what homosexuality is all about and many still hold this view.

So... homophobia? It really gotta start from the top, not from the bottom. The idea of the program is good, but it is addressing the issue in the wrong direction.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Just curious; at what age would it be acceptable to discuss the topic of non-heterosexual orientation?

IMO around 6th or 7th grade, at the same time sex ed and health classes start.

Are we talking 10 or 13 or 16? Are the anti-GLBT class people against any discussion of this topic in schools, or just for early schooling?

i think teaching it in elementary school is inappropriate.

I'm not sure about the gay haters. they will preach the hate regardless of age.

I can see the heavy dissention for teaching this to first graders, and I understand that. My question is, would there ever be an appropriate time for this discussion in school?

I think so. anything under the age of 12 is kind of inappropriate.

If the topic is discussed in the health classes and sex ed, it wouldn't bother me any. though I think the should be an option for the families who do not want it taught.

Certainly they will catch on to the words Gay and Lesbian and GLBT at some point, and perhaps ask Mom or Dad what's up. What do the anti-GLBT class people say to their children when asked what this is all about?

the gay haters will say the same thing regardless. then try to drill into the child's mind "homosexuality evil" blah blah blah blah...


schools should start a zero tolerance policy. if a child is bullied, even if it because the victims parents are gay they bully should be suspended. if it continues, the bully should be expelled from school permanently...

Do you say "Those queers are sick. What they are doing is wrong" or are you objective? When "Johnny" takes the permission slip back to school with the NO circled, what opinions does he form on his own, while the others are having this discussion? Or is this another of those head in the sand, if you're not like me I hate you things?

we never say that. having gay family members how are loved and respected so not going to be said....


as for the gay hater, well expect the predictable venom to be unleashed...

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Because some children happen to have parents who are gay. That's how.

and irresponsible parents that don't monitor what is on TV. Kids pick it up and start talking about it with their peers.

At a BBQ this summer I was talking to a set of parents and they mentioned their daughter has been caught watching stuff like "the L Word". Not the type of programing a 9 year old should be watching... parents really need to learn to block channels. adult locking controls are a good thing...

 

[saywhatkid]

IMO around 6th or 7th grade, at the same time sex ed and health classes start.
i think teaching it in elementary school is inappropriate.

I'm not sure about the gay haters. they will preach the hate regardless of age.

I think so. anything under the age of 12 is kind of inappropriate.

If the topic is discussed in the health classes and sex ed, it wouldn't bother me any. though I think the should be an option for the families who do not want it taught.

the gay haters will say the same thing regardless. then try to drill into the child's mind "homosexuality evil" blah blah blah blah...


schools should start a zero tolerance policy. if a child is bullied, even if it because the victims parents are gay they bully should be suspended. if it continues, the bully should be expelled from school permanently...





we never say that. having gay family members how are loved and respected so not going to be said....


as for the gay hater, well expect the predictable venom to be unleashed...

Thank you for your reply. I agree with the idea of waiting a few years into the school experience to broach this topic. It is somewhat sexual in nature. Since I have had nothing to do with school since 1973, I do not know how things are done now, in regards to sex ed and so forth. For my era, it was around 8th grade, and we had a split class; no women with men. There was a permission slip required. I am dating myself here, being old fashioned on some subjects. I do think it MUST be discussed as part of the school curriculum, at some point. Preferrably before High School. Maybe not at age 6.

 

[Reba]

Just curious; at what age would it be acceptable to discuss the topic of non-heterosexual orientation?

What do you mean by "discuss?"

Certainly they will catch on to the words Gay and Lesbian and GLBT at some point, and perhaps ask Mom or Dad what's up.

Then let Mom or Dad answer their questions.

What do the anti-GLBT class people say to their children when asked what this is all about? Do you say "Those queers are sick. What they are doing is wrong" or are you objective?

You assume that those are the only ways parents would answer them? Parents can tell their kids that homosexual behavior is wrong without using coarse and insulting language. They can also emphasize that using insulting words or violence against others is also wrong.

When "Johnny" takes the permission slip back to school with the NO circled, what opinions does he form on his own, while the others are having this discussion? Or is this another of those head in the sand, if you're not like me I hate you things?

Just because parents want to teach their values to their children, and those values aren't accepted by others doesn't mean they hate others.

 

[Reba]

Because some children happen to have parents who are gay. That's how.

And their gay parents share their sex lives with their children who in turn share that information with their playmates? That doesn't make sense.

 

[Banjo]

And their gay parents share their sex lives with their children who in turn share that information with their playmates? That doesn't make sense.

You're the one having the perverted thoughts, not me. I didn't say anything about their sex lives being discussed in details.

All it takes is for the child to say that s/he has two fathers or two mothers. That'll prompt any child to ask questions.

 

[saywhatkid]

What do you mean by "discuss?"
You need a definition? Discuss = part of a scheduled class curriculum


Then let Mom or Dad answer their questions.
Yes, that would help. Hope Mom or Dad is ready when that moment arrives.


You assume that those are the only ways parents would answer them? Parents can tell their kids that homosexual behavior is wrong without using coarse and insulting language. They can also emphasize that using insulting words or violence against others is also wrong.
Well, reading between the lines; are you saying it GLBT is wrong? What do you tell your kids?


Just because parents want to teach their values to their children, and those values aren't accepted by others doesn't mean they hate others.
Hate is not the Christian way, is it?

I don't know your stance on the question of GLBT. If I seem uncertain on your point of view, that is why.