US policeman used Taser on 72-year-old woman

[webexplorer]

neither do we but the law specifically says that if you do not sign the ticket, you can be arrested. Signing the ticket means you promise to show up at court later. It is NOT an admission of guilt. By REFUSING to sign the ticket, it means YOU WILL NOT SHOW UP AT COURT. They arrest you so that you can show up at court!

Jiro, how about this one...

Supposedly, your car parked at the meter and you went out shopping. The meter is time out that you missed to put more quarters in the meter machine on time. The patrol put a ticket on your windshield. That ticket does not require you to sign your name on it. All you have to do is to bring your ticket to a court and pay the fine. No problem!

Now, a trooper require you to sign your name presently. That piece of paper is a paper. All you have to do is just go to the court and complain it to a judge if you don't agree with the trooper. The system would be a lot easier if the cop has your license numbers in the databank and mailed a ticket to your house - I mean without your signature. If you refuse to go to the court, then you know rest of it. i.e. seize your car, lien your house, etc.

The cop is just like playing little boy games wanting to find a way to hurt someone with their weapon. It is just silly amazing that we have in our society.

That cop is to protect our people on the road. Any vehicle that move is a part of a weapon. i.e. A car hits someone on the road.

Common sense: The cop finds that the woman is a hostile, then he should have requested his backup so that she would be arrested and seize her car until she is proven at the court. This is what it supposed to be that way if a taser was not invented at that time.

You are a man now - not a teenager. If that cop is present with you, he would hurt you a lot than you ever imagine dealing with him in any kind of situation. It's because the cop is trained to be brainwashed and do his duty is to arrest you easily. That's why you have to stand back and think twice to make sure that he doesn't cross your line even you are friendly to him. My former boss was a cop for 30 years, and he told me a lot of stories.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

I'd only like to bring up a small point that some people do forget.

When people get elderly, they don't just age. Their motor functions such as memory processing ages, their social interaction skills ages so you can expect some elderly citizens to act like their grandchildren.

I don't think it is proper for some police officers to use bodily/deadly force as the taser for elderly citizens.

It is unfortunately that some senior citizens such as our Gpas & Gmas will be belligerent to the police officers because our Gpas & Gmas forget that they are in another time genre.

Sometimes compassion works in situations such as this. We all always will have different opinions and it's important to agree to disagree or best of all.. sit on our hands and learn from others. *hugs*

 

[sara1981]

I'd only like to bring up a small point that some people do forget.

When people get elderly, they don't just age. Their motor functions such as memory processing ages, their social interaction skills ages so you can expect some elderly citizens to act like their grandchildren.

I don't think it is proper for some police officers to use bodily/deadly force as the taser for elderly citizens.

It is unfortunately that some senior citizens such as our Gpas & Gmas will be belligerent to the police officers because our Gpas & Gmas forget that they are in another time genre.

Sometimes compassion works in situations such as this. We all always will have different opinions and it's important to agree to disagree or best of all.. sit on our hands and learn from others. *hugs*

i would agree with you.But officers would suspended ASAP for actions on elders of tasers if im right or im wrong.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

She posed a serious danger to public. I DO NOT WANT HER ON ROAD if she's DISRESPECTFUL for law. She's a DANGEROUS driver.

Sure, she disobey the traffic law and deserve her punishment. The Police Officer can demand her to go to doctor for examination either she is able to drive or not but it´s not necassary to taser her.

same as above - SHE'S A DANGEROUS DRIVER.

Oh please, she disobey the traffic law to drive 60 mph over speed limit in 45 zones. To me, alochol and cell phone while driving is very dangerous than drive few over speed limit driving.

Are you saying that you NEVER drive over speed limit in your life?

I'm sorry but what's so funny? Did you know many elders in America hurt/killed many people including children?

wow, you discriminate against her because of her age. I would suggest you to check with statistic how high car accident cause by senseless driver... elder or teenager.

Anyway, I have seen many elders drive sensible than teenagers.

it's not really funny. it's a serious problem.

Please don´t twist my post... Please stick your own post why I laughed at...Check on your own post why I laughed.

this 72-years old lady was driving a 2-tons pick-up truck that can be a DEADLY WEAPON to anybody

Please review the clip again. They were standing TOO CLOSE to highway. He MOVED her out of the way to SAFE area.

I do not see anything that he moved her but pushed her. If she disrespect then she would stay in the car stubborn and ignore him but she did obey to get out of her car and stand. Police Officer pushed her without ask her to go back to safe place where he can talk her. It make her mad.

Dón´t he know how to behave in good and respectfully manner when he want to move to the place where he wants to talk her instead of rough push her. I would pissed if the police officer pushed me.

 

[shel90]

Sure, she disobey the traffic law and deserve her punishment. The Police Officer can demand her to go to doctor for examination either she is able to drive or not but it´s not necassary to taser her.



Oh please, she disobey the traffic law to drive 60 mph over speed limit in 45 zones. To me, alochol and cell phone while driving is very dangerous than drive few over speed limit driving.

Are you saying that you NEVER drive over speed limit in your life?



wow, you discriminate against her because of her age. I would suggest you to check with statistic how high car accident cause by senseless driver... elder or teenager.

Anyway, I have seen many elders drive sensible than teenagers.






Please don´t twist my post... Please stick your own post why I laughed at...Check on your own post why I laughed.

this 72-years old lady was driving a 2-tons pick-up truck that can be a DEADLY WEAPON to anybody



I do not see anything that he moved her but pushed her. If she disrespect then she would stay in the car stubborn and ignore him but she did obey to get out of her car and stand. Police Officer pushed her without ask her to go back to safe place where he can talk her. It make her mad.

Dón´t he know how to behave in good and respectfully manner when he want to move to the place where he wants to talk her instead of rough push her. I would pissed if the police officer pushed me.

Liebling, there has been recent cases where eldery drivers have killed people lately. If she was speeding, she is a danger to others. That's why people get tickets for speeding. It is dangerous.

The officer pushed her back so they wont get hit in traffic. I dont think he was doing it to harrass her.

However, I do think the tasering wasnt justified.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

neither do we but the law specifically says that if you do not sign the ticket, you can be arrested.

Yes, I remember you told me about this in other debate threads.

Accord my American co-worker, you CAN refused to sign if you disagree with Police Officer and then tell him that you can´t comment/sign anything without talk to lawyer first.

Here in Germany, the police officer don´t get me to sign the ticket but request my ID and driving liescne, etc then he wrote down in his report, that´s all.

It was happeend to me once due car accident. I disagreed something on Police Officer. I told him that I won´t state anything unless I get a lawyer first. Police Officer respect me immediately without argue with me and request me for my ID and driving liecsne to write down in his report. On next day, I went to lawyer ...

Signing the ticket means you promise to show up at court later. It is NOT an admission of guilt. By REFUSING to sign the ticket, it means YOU WILL NOT SHOW UP AT COURT. They arrest you so that you can show up at court!

I can´t comment anything unless you reply Webexploer´s post first.

It´s police officer´s job to protect and serve, not demand us to sign. They can´t force me to sign if I tell them that I want a lawyer.

now about your comment regarding many germans respecting police officer. Well I don't know maybe it's because the past was still strong. you know - the getapso and police state (East/West Germany). many Germans during the time where there were East and West Germany were arrested, interrogated, and watched.

:scratch: What is the respect do with the former communists in East Germany before the Berlin wall pulled down?

We were being raise how to know the manner and respect. This is so.

plenty of media hurt officer's reputation? I don't understand. Where? Proof please?

Come on, you are WELL-KNOWN ADer who defend police officerS in EVERY thread. There´re PLENTY of videos in EVERY threads.

As far as I'm concerned - the driver was charged with resisting the arrest and the police officer is cleared of any wrongdoing.

Source?

The old lady was not injured.

Have you listen lady´s side how she feel?

Accord her statement, that she was very shock... Yes I can feel her feeling because electricity shock is a very painful.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling, there has been recent cases where eldery drivers have killed people lately. If she was speeding, she is a danger to others. That's why people get tickets for speeding. It is dangerous.

Yes I agree to ticket her for her speed driving because she deserve it but not taser on her, that´s all what I want to say.

The officer pushed her back so they wont get hit in traffic. I dont think he was doing it to harrass her.

This is your opinion. To me, he was too rough to her when he pushed her. I don´t agree to push her but ask her to move back to safe place where he want to talk her. His rough got her mad. I do not like it if police officer pushed me.

However, I do think the tasering wasnt justified.

Yeah because she don´t have any weapon to threat police officer.

 

[Doug5]

cop fuckd up. You dont tazer old ladies.

 

[sara1981]

cop fuckd up. You dont tazer old ladies.

that true!! mostly officers know best dont taser the elders. If officers got again assault for more reasons they can suspended immediately for months or years but officers can removes guns or badges for actions dues laws.

mostly officers know laws dont assault elders or people when speeding tickets if officers got include they chief will give officers suspended ASAP that it!

 

[Jiro]

Number one, she did not physically attacked him, number two, she did not reached for a gun, and number three, she did not have any weapons on her. So I don't see what's the purpose to use the taser on her.

To just refusing to sign a ticket and disobeying the police officer? Is that all? What a dumb excuse to use a taser, she was not even a dangerous suspect, she's just a crabby old lady and I'm surprised the police officer was a big pussy who couldn't find another way to handle this old lady or may had ran out of ideas how to handle the lady, so he used a taser on her. It just shows how dumb some police officers can be.

number one - the old lady sped RECKLESSLY at dangerous speed on slow-area with her HUGE 2-tons pick-up truck
number two - the old lady DISOBEYED officer and taunted him
number three - the old lady RESISTED arrest
number four - it's the LAW that refusing to sign the ticket will result in arrest because refusing to sign the ticket means you will not show up at the court as promised. believe it or not - speeding is a serious violation. Think about how many lives have been lost due to speeding.
number five - tasering her is the most preferable choice than aggressively arresting her which will result in serious injury for old lady. Did you see how she fights back????

CONCLUSION - thanks God the police officer was there to stop her from speeding further and to arrest this MANIAC off the road! She most likely will crash someone. A few lives have been spared on that day......

 

[Jiro]

Jiro, how about this one...

Supposedly, your car parked at the meter and you went out shopping. The meter is time out that you missed to put more quarters in the meter machine on time. The patrol put a ticket on your windshield. That ticket does not require you to sign your name on it. All you have to do is to bring your ticket to a court and pay the fine. No problem!

Now, a trooper require you to sign your name presently. That piece of paper is a paper. All you have to do is just go to the court and complain it to a judge if you don't agree with the trooper. The system would be a lot easier if the cop has your license numbers in the databank and mailed a ticket to your house - I mean without your signature. If you refuse to go to the court, then you know rest of it. i.e. seize your car, lien your house, etc.

The cop is just like playing little boy games wanting to find a way to hurt someone with their weapon. It is just silly amazing that we have in our society.

The officer did not make up this law. it's the state law. if you don't like it - write a letter to your Congressman and Senator.

That cop is to protect our people on the road. Any vehicle that move is a part of a weapon. i.e. A car hits someone on the road.

The cop protected our people on the road and street by pulling over this reckless driver. the cop enforced the state law that requires the signature on the ticket or face arrest. GOOD WORK, OFFICER!

Common sense: The cop finds that the woman is a hostile, then he should have requested his backup so that she would be arrested and seize her car until she is proven at the court. This is what it supposed to be that way if a taser was not invented at that time.

look at the video clip again. He used the radio several times. He most likely called for backup but unfortunately the situation got worsened by every second. Unfortunately - we do not have a teleporter or 200-mph vehicle where the backup officer can be there in one second. The officer was forced to take action when the driver has gotten more belligerent and non-compliant. He blocked the way to prevent her from entering her car. He ordered her to step away SEVERAL TIMES. He told her to stop resisting arrest.

What difference would backup officer make? Both will arrest her anyway and she will resist arrest anyway and they will taze her anyway.

You are a man now - not a teenager. If that cop is present with you, he would hurt you a lot than you ever imagine dealing with him in any kind of situation. It's because the cop is trained to be brainwashed and do his duty is to arrest you easily. That's why you have to stand back and think twice to make sure that he doesn't cross your line even you are friendly to him. My former boss was a cop for 30 years, and he told me a lot of stories.

good. now you should be able to understand that what officer did was justifiable. What are ya'all bitching about? nobody got hurt or injured. taser did the job in a safe manner.

sure there are few other ways to handle the situation but it's convenient of ya'all to sit back at your comfortable chair and criticize like you would know what to do in any situation. Such a hypocrisy and naivete. If you think you can do better job, then why don't you be a police officer? or better yet - do you prefer all police officers just sit back at police station and not be on street and then just respond to situation when people dial 911?

 

[Jiro]

I know what you mean. I had same thoughts as yours. However, we have been reading and watching the taser stories lately. The taser itself is not safe. That's my concern. If I were a cop, I would grab her knee with my foot in order to push her down. If I were a Vulcan, I would use the Vulcan nerve pinch on her. Problem solved.

I have to admit I will give a cop the benefit of the doubt. My grandmother is 5'. 6 giant firefighters (They look like football players) had to use physical acts to pull my grandmother out of the car, because she refused to go to ER. She was very strong, and managed to throw fists and kick them ALL. Thank goodness, she did not bite them. She even cursed in German, and I am glad they did not know German. That's just ONE story. "nuff said.

Have anyone work at care facilities? The medical workers are given no choices, but use physical acts on elderly people daily when they don't want to take meds, showers, or whatever. You might be surprised how strong elderly people are. They're unpredictable.

what's funny is.... even if you attempt to grab her knee with your foot - you will most likely break her leg and the media & public would be scorning you. Like what ASLGAL said - whatever the cop does, the cop will still get shit on by media and public anyway.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

The woman could have had a heart attack from being taser! The cop does not know what kind of health issues she has! Big deal if the old woman push the cop, the cop should have more control over his emotions ! Why was the woman out of her car in the first place, on a dangerous highway?

 

[Jiro]

The woman could have had a heart attack from being taser! The cop does not know what kind of health issues she has!

but she didn't, right?

Big deal if the old woman push the cop, the cop should have more control over his emotions !

the cop did for several minutes while the old lady continued to be argumentative and combative to officer.

Why was the woman out of her car in the first place, on a dangerous highway?

to arrest her.

 

[jillio]

Jiro, how about this one...

Supposedly, your car parked at the meter and you went out shopping. The meter is time out that you missed to put more quarters in the meter machine on time. The patrol put a ticket on your windshield. That ticket does not require you to sign your name on it. All you have to do is to bring your ticket to a court and pay the fine. No problem!

Now, a trooper require you to sign your name presently. That piece of paper is a paper. All you have to do is just go to the court and complain it to a judge if you don't agree with the trooper. The system would be a lot easier if the cop has your license numbers in the databank and mailed a ticket to your house - I mean without your signature. If you refuse to go to the court, then you know rest of it. i.e. seize your car, lien your house, etc.

The cop is just like playing little boy games wanting to find a way to hurt someone with their weapon. It is just silly amazing that we have in our society.

That cop is to protect our people on the road. Any vehicle that move is a part of a weapon. i.e. A car hits someone on the road.

Common sense: The cop finds that the woman is a hostile, then he should have requested his backup so that she would be arrested and seize her car until she is proven at the court. This is what it supposed to be that way if a taser was not invented at that time.

You are a man now - not a teenager. If that cop is present with you, he would hurt you a lot than you ever imagine dealing with him in any kind of situation. It's because the cop is trained to be brainwashed and do his duty is to arrest you easily. That's why you have to stand back and think twice to make sure that he doesn't cross your line even you are friendly to him. My former boss was a cop for 30 years, and he told me a lot of stories.

Exactly. Around here we have red light cameras. If they catch you speeding or running a red light, they mail the ticket to you with your court date on it, or, if you choose, the amount of the fine, and where it can be paid.

So the old woman refused to sign the ticket. All that means is that she was disagreeing with the citation. Nothing prevented the cop from giving her the ticket anyway, noting that she refused to sign. The court date has been delivered to her that way. If she fails to show up for court, or to pay the fine, then the judge simply issues a bench warrant for "failure to appear" and the pick her up and take her to jail.

I also agree. Call for back-up. There is no need to taze a 72 year old, 4'11" unarmed woman simply because she is uncooperative with signing a ticket. Tazers are to be used to protect the officer from a direct threat of harm from a suspect. Even though this elderly woman was uncooperative, there is no indication whatsoever that she posed any sort of a threat to the officer. Any cop that is so afraid of a 4'11" 72 year old woman probably has no business being on patrol. What would happen if he ran up against a real criminal?

 

[Foxrac]

I don't support red light camera, also many states don't have it and some states already banned on red light camera for tracking on speeding or any violation.

 

[Cheri]

Jiro---

You are seriously missing the point....

You always defends the police, is there ever a case where you don't agree with how the police handled the situation? I'm not even defending the woman, I'm not saying she should have given a pass for speeding. She should be ticketed, she broke the law by speeding. I'm talking about using a taser on her was out of line.

A taser should be used when one feels one life is in danger, was his life in danger? No.

Unfortunately he is so lucky that she is alive--- women like her age have poor heart condition, she could have die from a taser, being 72 years old woman who is so much smaller than the officer is, and who could have went into cardiac or respiratory arrest.

 

[shel90]

what's funny is.... even if you attempt to grab her knee with your foot - you will most likely break her leg and the media & public would be scorning you. Like what ASLGAL said - whatever the cop does, the cop will still get shit on by media and public anyway.

Isnt it better to break her leg than to risk cardiac failure by tasering her?

 

[jillio]

Jiro---

You are seriously missing the point....

You always defends the police, is there ever a case where you don't agree with how the police handled the situation? I'm not even defending the woman, I'm not saying she should have given a pass for speeding. She should be ticketed, she broke the law by speeding. I'm talking about using a taser on her was out of line.

A taser should be used when one feels one life is in danger, was his life in danger? No.

Unfortunately he is so lucky that she is alive--- women like her age have poor heart condition, she could have die from a taser, being 72 years old woman who is so much smaller than the officer is, and who could have went into cardiac or respiratory arrest.

Exactly. This officer used excessive force for a speeding violation.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

but she didn't, right?


the cop did for several minutes while the old lady continued to be argumentative and combative to officer.


to arrest her.

The cop was taking a risk using the taser gun on a 71 years old woman! It does not matter that lady was ok , there should be a law that elders can't be
zap . The fall can hurt them as their bones break very easy . I wonder how that cop would like this gone to his mother! And would you like this done to your mother Jiro?