It it really the deaf/Deaf community?

jillio said:
Many of us have made suggestions just like that to parents on this board, and are accused of attempting to tell parents how to raise their child or of having some sort of hidden agenda towards the use of ASL. When I advocate for a student in the elementary or high school grades, I make the same statements. I know many deaf individuals who will tell a hearing parent that it is wonderful that they are implanting their child, but recommend that the parent also opt for visual communication as well as speech therapy, particularly in educational situations. Those statements are the ones that hearing parents seem to find so objectionable, based on the defensive reaction that most of us get from them.
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All i can say is that I have never ever had a Deaf person ask if my child is getting speech lessons or interacting with hearing kids. They have never even advocated for more speech at our bi-bi school.
 
jillio said:
Many of us have made suggestions just like that to parents on this board, and are accused of attempting to tell parents how to raise their child or of having some sort of hidden agenda towards the use of ASL. When I advocate for a student in the elementary or high school grades, I make the same statements. I know many deaf individuals who will tell a hearing parent that it is wonderful that they are implanting their child, but recommend that the parent also opt for visual communication as well as speech therapy, particularly in educational situations. Those statements are the ones that hearing parents seem to find so objectionable, based on the defensive reaction that most of us get from them.
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Once that child becomes of age--9 times out of 10, that child usually resorts to ASL and stay in the Deaf community, cutting all ties to their hearing parents.
 
faire_jour said:
Would removing hearing aids do damage? Then neither would ripping off a speech processor.
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Actually I always enjoy removing my HA's as I don't have to listen to the b.s. of the hearing world.

The b.s. of the Deaf world is more appealing as it's more visual! :lol:
 
faire_jour said:
All i can say is that I have never ever had a Deaf person ask if my child is getting speech lessons or interacting with hearing kids. They have never even advocated for more speech at our bi-bi school.
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Maybe the Deaf people you interact with arent interested in the topic of Deaf education therefore probably not even thinking about these kinds of questions.

When I am with my Deaf friends, we dont talk about Deaf Ed..just chill and enjoy each other's companies. Maybe those Deaf people see you as their friend and want to chill and BS with u? Just my assumption.

Even here on AD, there are more members who do not seem interested in this topic and that's ok.
 
shel90 said:
Maybe the Deaf people you interact with arent interested in the topic of Deaf education therefore probably not even thinking about these kinds of questions.

When I am with my Deaf friends, we dont talk about Deaf Ed..just chill and enjoy each other's companies. Maybe those Deaf people see you as their friend and want to chill and BS with u? Just my assumption.

Even here on AD, there are more members who do not seem interested in this topic and that's ok.
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Just the passionate ones! :lol:
 
Byrdie714 said:
Just the passionate ones! :lol:
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Yea...and it is ok that if not everyone is interested in Deaf ed or Deaf culture topics. In fact, I find that most people in the Deaf community (IRL) go about their lives and just living their lives to the fullest as they can. I havent met anyone who goes around saying "NO to CIs!!!" Nor I have met anyone who askes every hearing parent if they expose their children to the hearing world or spoken language. Probably cuz they already know that their children are more likely exposed to the hearing world so it is common sense anyway.
 
Buffalo said:
The latter doesn't happen a lot because a deaf child can't escape the hearing world. There are hearing cousins, hearing neighborhood kids, hearing classmates if mainstreamed.
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A question. A deaf person who is raised in an ASL only educational setting with some speech therapy here and there will do fine with the hearing world because they have "forced" exposure anyway since he can't "escape" the hearing world? Are you confident in that?
 
Daredevel7 said:
A question. A deaf person who is raised in an ASL only educational setting with some speech therapy here and there will do fine with the hearing world because they have "forced" exposure anyway since he can't "escape" the hearing world? Are you confident in that?
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I am. :)
 
Byrdie714 said:
Once that child becomes of age--9 times out of 10, that child usually resorts to ASL and stay in the Deaf community, cutting all ties to their hearing parents.
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And this is the parents' fault? I'm genuinely asking.

And if it is, what can the parents' do to rectify this? Simply learn ASL? (After the damage has been done)

And how can parents prevent this? Simply teach them ASL?
 
Daredevel7 said:
And this is the parents' fault? I'm genuinely asking.

And if it is, what can the parents' do to rectify this? Simply learn ASL? (After the damage has been done)

And how can parents prevent this? Simply teach them ASL?
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Just expose to their children to both worlds and both languages. Also, I strongly recommend the parents not to treat their children as someone to be pitied or to be babied constantly. I have seen that happen too often.
 
Daredevel7 said:
A question. A deaf person who is raised in an ASL only educational setting with some speech therapy here and there will do fine with the hearing world because they have "forced" exposure anyway since he can't "escape" the hearing world? Are you confident in that?
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I am and I see it on a constant basis with my job and through my friends and brother in the Deaf community.
 
shel90 said:
Maybe it is because the medical community tells them that in order for their children to get CIs, they must drop ASL or not to place them in educational programs where signing is used?
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I agree.. and maybe that is why we end up here, in this place. It looks as tho we have rejected the deaf when in actuality we were just too dumb to do what was "right".

It is actually sad. Not in a "I feel sorry" kind of way, but I can honestly see where both sides are set up to have animosity towards the other. If you look at it from both sides and really try to see where they are coming from.
 
shel90 said:
Just expose to their children to both worlds and both languages. Also, I strongly recommend the parents not to treat their children as someone to be pitied or to be babied constantly. I have seen that happen too often.
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Even if parents don't do this, society still pities and babies deaf people.

I've learned how to tell genuine behavior from pity. I don't want people feeling sorry for me and I don't like spending time explaining my life experiences to a relative stranger.
 
BradB08 said:
Even if parents don't do this, society still pities and babies deaf people.

I've learned how to tell genuine behavior from pity. I don't want people feeling sorry for me and I don't like spending time explaining my life experiences to a relative stranger.
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People always say "I'm so sorry" when they find out my daughter is Deaf, so I always say right back "Why?". That usually shuts them up.
 
If you think that's bad, try finding a date.

Nothing but woman after woman going "Oh, I want to learn sign!" and they try signing in a manner that's either pathetic or cute (depending on how others view it).

Ugh.
 
BradB08 said:
If you think that's bad, try finding a date.

Nothing but woman after woman going "Oh, I want to learn sign!" and they try signing in a manner that's either pathetic or cute (depending on how others view it).

Ugh.
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Or if they say, " I know some sign language," and it's usually something sexual or a cuss word. :roll:
 
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