What happened to me today!

jiro123 said:
deafbajagal - Before we all get angry over confusion and such... can you kindly retrace your steps in details... starting from you getting out of car, walking to the restaurant. Were you with friends? Please try to tell us exactly what did you say to manager and what did manager say and what happened.
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Ok, Jiro:
I walked into the restaurant. I was alone (a friend was supposed to meet me there later). I was dressed nicely (nice khakis capris, brown shoes, pressed short sleeve jean shirt). The sign says "WAIT TO BE SEATED." So I waited. Then an older man came up to me and asked me, "How many? 1." I pointed my finger up for "one" and said (in voice and sign) I cannot hear so I will write to the waiter." The man said, "You must leave. We don't want deaf people. Go." And I said (this time without signing, but in a calm voice), "Are you saying deaf people can't come here?" Then he became rude (I gathered this from his facial expression and hand gesture which he pointed at the door) said, "No deaf people. No." and shook his head. I said (again in a calm voice), "That is not nice. It is also not good business practice. I will leave, but I also will tell a lot of people about this." And I left and paged my friend to meet me somewhere else. I was mad,
but I didn't let it show. I just showed that I was not pleased with his reaction, but I remained calm and professional.
 
August said:
um...bad idea?

you can call attention to something without acting like a 5 year old and throwing away your dignity.
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Not literally acting like a 5 year old but will be outspoken about it at least.
 
Tousi said:
Filthiest lawyer? Lol.....there's probably a few at the bottom of the ocean; maybe bajagal can resurrect one from there.
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Haha! I sure will if I have to.

Actually I already have a case going where a doctor refused to provide a sign language intepreter for me- and actually refused to see my very ill daughter because "he doesn't have time to deal with deaf parents." This happened during the first month I moved to this new city I'm living in now. I was so pissed...and immediately obtained a lawyer whose background is with disability law.

Right now he's facing up to $100,000 fine (I think that's what the lawyer told me, but not for sure), losing his medical license, and even losing his medical practice. Dumbass. He is still insisting he was well within his rights to refuse to pay for an interpreter. Ironcially - he gets Spanish intepreters all the time.

I talked with the lawyer, and she told me that this happens often whereas the doctor refuses to provide an interpreter for deaf patients/deaf parents. The advocacy service for the deaf SUCKS BIG TIME. I was so appalled by their response when I called them for help - they were like, "Just keep looking until you find a doctor who will provide an interpreter." I couldn't accept that stupid and worthless advice so I just took it upon myself to take care of it.
 
deafbajagal said:
Haha! I sure will if I have to.

Actually I already have a case going where a doctor refused to provide a sign language intepreter for me- and actually refused to see my very ill daughter because "he doesn't have time to deal with deaf parents." This happened during the first month I moved to this new city I'm living in now. I was so pissed...and immediately obtained a lawyer whose background is with disability law.

Right now he's facing up to $100,000 fine (I think that's what the lawyer told me, but not for sure), losing his medical license, and even losing his medical practice. Dumbass. He is still insisting he was well within his rights to refuse to pay for an interpreter. Ironcially - he gets Spanish intepreters all the time.

I talked with the lawyer, and she told me that this happens often whereas the doctor refuses to provide an interpreter for deaf patients/deaf parents. The advocacy service for the deaf SUCKS BIG TIME. I was so appalled by their response when I called them for help - they were like, "Just keep looking until you find a doctor who will provide an interpreter." I couldn't accept that stupid and worthless advice so I just took it upon myself to take care of it.
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Geez...that's terrible and whenever I read about situations like things, it just leaves me without words because in this day and age, it still happens.
 
I don't understand what made them say that to you? Did they give you any reasons at all beside saying deaf people aren't welcome?
 
Sorry to hear what happened about the situation with the doctor. Good luck with the case deafbajagal. :)
 
omegaman said:
What you wrote makes sense regarding businesses having the right to refuse to serve. Pubs are a good example where staff have the right to refuse to serve customers who are intoxicated, etc.:)

But, deafbajagal was told leave because the restaurant does not serve deaf people, which is discrimination. I would like to know the reason, too.
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I read her post #61 and agree that it's discrimination because a man said to her that he do not want to serve deaf people in that resturant. I would advise her to write a demand letter for the reason to the manager or the resturant owner first then.........
 
VamPyroX said:
Yes, I'm wondering the same thing. Did they actually say this... or did it seem that way?

It does seem kinda odd that they would straightforwardly tell you... "We don't serve deaf people."

On the other hand, they probably had a very bad experience with a lot of deaf customers in the past that it made them hesitate when they see other deaf customers.

Remember, not all views are because of their stubbornness... but because of their bad experience.

It's almost like a woman who was raped or a dog who was abused. If a woman was severely raped by a man she came to put a lot of trust in (or she was raped multiple times), then she would lose a lot of trust in men and avoid close confrontations with them. If a dog was constantly abused by his owner(s), then it would fear future owners. (This actually happened to my friend's dog. It took that dog several years to get used to her new owners and owners' friends. She would bow her head in fear every time someone tried to pet her.)
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Yes, that' s what I thought so.
 
deafbajagal said:
Ok, Jiro:
I walked into the restaurant. I was alone (a friend was supposed to meet me there later). I was dressed nicely (nice khakis capris, brown shoes, pressed short sleeve jean shirt). The sign says "WAIT TO BE SEATED." So I waited. Then an older man came up to me and asked me, "How many? 1." I pointed my finger up for "one" and said (in voice and sign) I cannot hear so I will write to the waiter." The man said, "You must leave. We don't want deaf people. Go." And I said (this time without signing, but in a calm voice), "Are you saying deaf people can't come here?" Then he became rude (I gathered this from his facial expression and hand gesture which he pointed at the door) said, "No deaf people. No." and shook his head. I said (again in a calm voice), "That is not nice. It is also not good business practice. I will leave, but I also will tell a lot of people about this." And I left and paged my friend to meet me somewhere else. I was mad,
but I didn't let it show. I just showed that I was not pleased with his reaction, but I remained calm and professional.
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Did you have those written conversation? I hope you still have it as proof to aviod them from deny your word...
 
deafbajagal said:
Haha! I sure will if I have to.

Actually I already have a case going where a doctor refused to provide a sign language intepreter for me- and actually refused to see my very ill daughter because "he doesn't have time to deal with deaf parents." This happened during the first month I moved to this new city I'm living in now. I was so pissed...and immediately obtained a lawyer whose background is with disability law.

Right now he's facing up to $100,000 fine (I think that's what the lawyer told me, but not for sure), losing his medical license, and even losing his medical practice. Dumbass. He is still insisting he was well within his rights to refuse to pay for an interpreter. Ironcially - he gets Spanish intepreters all the time.

I talked with the lawyer, and she told me that this happens often whereas the doctor refuses to provide an interpreter for deaf patients/deaf parents. The advocacy service for the deaf SUCKS BIG TIME. I was so appalled by their response when I called them for help - they were like, "Just keep looking until you find a doctor who will provide an interpreter." I couldn't accept that stupid and worthless advice so I just took it upon myself to take care of it.
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Very sad :( I feel bad for you... I know some ADers have the similar problem as you as well in their threads... really unfair... :(
 
That's horrible to experience that direct discrimination!

Keep us updated on the Dr, who I agree is a dumbass, and this Chinese restaurant.

Maybe you could sneak in that restaurant and turn their lucky charms, like the cat statues with paws up, the other way ;)
 
Miss-Delectable said:
That's horrible to experience that direct discrimination!

Keep us updated on the Dr, who I agree is a dumbass, and this Chinese restaurant.

Maybe you could sneak in that restaurant and turn their lucky charms, like the cat statues with paws up, the other way ;)
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No offense, but...:rofl:
 
Miss-Delectable said:
That's horrible to experience that direct discrimination!

Keep us updated on the Dr, who I agree is a dumbass, and this Chinese restaurant.

Maybe you could sneak in that restaurant and turn their lucky charms, like the cat statues with paws up, the other way ;)
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Hahaha! Good idea about the cat statues! :naughty:
 
I have experienced like this - somewhat. But at both [Oriental] restaurants, they weren't friendly towards me (not wanting to take orders, etc) - they never told/asked me to leave. Maybe because I was with hearing people?

From what I was told that in some places in Asia, deaf people are viewed as not being normal and are put away from the society.
 
When I went to a drive-thru at one time, they refused to take my order, and asked me to come in the restaurant, I informed them that I have every right to use the drive-thru just like everyone else, I told them to either take my order or I'll see you in court, take your pick. So they decide to take my order. ;)
 
Cheri said:
When I went to a drive-thru at one time, they refused to take my order, and asked me to come in the restaurant, I informed them that I have every right to use the drive-thru just like everyone else, I told them to either take my order or I'll see you in court, take your pick. So they decide to take my order. ;)
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You Go, Girl!

And I can't believe what happened in that Chinese restaurant. That is so wrong. Expose that guy, place for what happened there. They won't like the publicity but too bad!!

I had a situation with an eyeglass place. They offer walk in appts but when the dr. found out I'm deaf, he claimed that just because I'm deaf, I'd take too long and to make an appt! I gave him and the staff a pc. of my mind and went out the door. I've had different drs and in few states work with my eyes--all of them were totally cool and professional. Not this dumbass. Even Sears was professional!
 
You could also send a letter to the editor of your local newspaper; maybe they would print it---that would burn their butts!!!!!
 
They could put bouncers at the restaurant doors....?

This could not possibly be a habit of all d/Deaf people; no one I know would ever do that. And don't some hearing people pull the same crap???? C'mon---it's an equal opportunity crime!!!!:h5:
 
I'll bet the doc doesn't PAY for Spanish interpreters---probably somebody he just knows or someone who works there who happens to speak a little Spanish. I'm surprised he didn't do what one doc did---get his neighbor who knows some sign to come to the office voluntarily and sign for a patient. OUTRAGEOUS!!!! They don't want to pay for interpreter, but they'll end up paying dearly in the end. Good for you for pursuing this---I wish all would. I encourage people to file with DOJ. Some do and some won't. I offer to help them make the claim; often they are afraid of retaliation. Just remember you can file a complaint with the DOJ for retaliation too!!!!

It's a CIVIL right to have clear communication, not just an ADA law.
 
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