Tousi
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PFH, don't you spell names for medications? Or just count on never getting sick so you won't need those?
PFH, don't you spell names for medications? Or just count on never getting sick so you won't need those?
In my class last year I almost got into a full blown argument with one of the other hearing parents about it. While I don't consider myself any kind of an expert I do know quite a bit about the subject and I tend to agree with the approach. On the other hand I also understand as a hearing parent of a deaf child where it's a bit difficult due to the lack of proficiency in ASL. Especially in the early years when a child really needs language exposure. Deaf children of native proficient signers are exposed to language at the same level hearing kids of hearing parents are. The problem is when you have deaf kids born to hearing parents that are not fluent in sign language and gaining that fluency takes time. The deaf kid looses out on comprehensive language exposure while the hearing parent (and the deaf child) is learning SL.You woulda have been my A+ student.
I have never claimed to be a "linguist". Never studied it or plan to do so in the future. More interesting subject-Psychology-Cognitive Dissonance to study.
Incorporating words from other spoken languages goes on all time however doesn't appear to answer the question: why does't ASL have a specific sign for every word? I guess that is why Fingerspelling is needed. Again why hasn't this "problem" been "handled back thousands of years ago" if in actuality sign languages existed back then?
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Not only does ASL not have a sign for every word, the syntax and grammar are different that English. ASL is a language in and of itself which is not English. ASL and English are mutually exclusive. Actually once you get to understand ASL you will find that it is a far more efficient way to communicate that English. MCE's on the other hand are intended to sign every word with following English syntax and grammer. An MCE makes English visual to aid in English literacy but is cumbersome to use as a mode of communication. Anyone please correct me if I have misstated anything.I have never claimed to be a "linguist". Never studied it or plan to do so in the future. More interesting subject-Psychology-Cognitive Dissonance to study.
Incorporating words from other spoken languages goes on all time however doesn't appear to answer the question: why doesn't ASL have a specific sign for every word? I guess that is why Fingerspelling is still needed. Again why hasn't this "problem" been "handled back thousands of years ago" if in actuality sign languages existed back then? History, anyone?
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we've tried to make this clear to you..... ASL is it's own language. it is not manual coded english.
So, no need to have every word signed.
Until then... can you just butt out because you obviously know nothing.
Why doesn't English have an English word for everything? Why doesn't French have a French word for everything?...Incorporating words from other spoken languages goes on all time however doesn't appear to answer the question: why doesn't ASL have a specific sign for every word?
I explained it to you before. It's not a "problem" so it doesn't need handling, fixing, or solving.I guess that is why Fingerspelling is still needed. Again why hasn't this "problem" been "handled back thousands of years ago" if in actuality sign languages existed back then? History, anyone?
I don't want to respond for PFH and I think I answered your question in the post above. MCE's are used for teaching English litercy for deaf kids. Some people use MCE's for communication however it is not very efficient. What you have to understand is that English is a very chatty langage and to get a point or concept across you don't need that many words. You have to step out of the English box then perhaps you will understand.Posts from hell: if ASL is a "complete language" why is MCE used? How can
converse in ASL if a "large number of words" are non-existent in "signs"? Without Fingerspelling coming to the rescue? Interesting experiment: can one actually sign in ASL: a Journey into the Deaf-World, Harlan Lane et al?
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Do you want the ugly truth?Posts from hell: if ASL is a "complete language" why is MCE used?
Guess what? I've had perfectly fine ASL conversations with deaf individuals who were totally illiterate in English (no fingerspelling used). Not every deaf person attends American schools (deaf people immigrate to the US, too).How can
converse in ASL if a "large number of words" are non-existent in "signs"? Without Fingerspelling coming to the rescue? Interesting experiment: can one actually sign in ASL: a Journey into the Deaf-World, Harlan Lane et al?
I have never claimed to be a "linguist". Never studied it or plan to do so in the future. More interesting subject-Psychology-Cognitive Dissonance to study.
Incorporating words from other spoken languages goes on all time however doesn't appear to answer the question: why doesn't ASL have a specific sign for every word? I guess that is why Fingerspelling is still needed. Again why hasn't this "problem" been "handled back thousands of years ago" if in actuality sign languages existed back then? History, anyone?
Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07
Posts from hell: if ASL is a "complete language" why is MCE used? How can one
converse in ASL if a "large number of words" are non-existent in "signs"? Without Fingerspelling coming to the rescue? Interesting experiment: can one actually sign in ASL: a Journey into the Deaf-World, Harlan Lane et al?
Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07
Posts from hell: if ASL is a "complete language" why is MCE used? How can one
converse in ASL if a "large number of words" are non-existent in "signs"? Without Fingerspelling coming to the rescue? Interesting experiment: can one actually sign in ASL: a Journey into the Deaf-World, Harlan Lane et al?
Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07
That's why my son attends a Deaf school so he's around native signers all day. We sign as much as we can at home, but even after 2 years of intensive college level study, I still don't consider myself proficient enough to be a language model.In my class last year I almost got into a full blown argument with one of the other hearing parents about it. While I don't consider myself any kind of an expert I do know quite a bit about the subject and I tend to agree with the approach. On the other hand I also understand as a hearing parent of a deaf child where it's a bit difficult due to the lack of proficiency in ASL. Especially in the early years when a child really needs language exposure. Deaf children of native proficient signers are exposed to language at the same level hearing kids of hearing parents are. The problem is when you have deaf kids born to hearing parents that are not fluent in sign language and gaining that fluency takes time. The deaf kid looses out on comprehensive language exposure while the hearing parent (and the deaf child) is learning SL.
It doesn't help that a common misconception is that ASL is just English with your hands, so a lot of people try to learn it that way simply because they don't know any better.Most of the people who use MCE are new signers, who's first language is ENGLISH - they have difficulty learning ASL's grammar (as do most people who learn a new language) ... As such when these people (who think in English) are signing they tend to retain a most "English form" to their signing ....
There is not a corresponding sign for every English word for the very simple reason that there doesn't need to be because ASL doesn't communicate words, it communicates concepts.How can one converse in ASL if a "large number of words" are non-existent in "signs"?
And if I may add, it's also a visual and spatial language. Not spoken or written.There is not a corresponding sign for every English word for the very simple reason that there doesn't need to be because ASL doesn't communicate words, it communicates concepts.